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Ravi Zacarius.

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At first glance Dr. Ravi seems like a well rounded apologest, but under closer inspection he's just a smooth talking liar and danger to the sheep.

 

Dr. Ravi doesn't actually hold any doctorates, yet reffers to himself as Dr. Enough said right there in my book. 

 

He considers Joyce Myers to be a good biblical teacher, twisting text around doesn't make someone a good biblical teacher, the fact that Meyer is a woman pastor sure doesn't help. According to Meyer, if you have faith you can speak things that aren't as though they were based on her wacky intrperation of Romans 4:17.

It take but a second to look at this verse to see that it is God who calls things which are not as though they were, God and God alone! Not a good biblical teacher.

 

 

Ravi is one of the names on the names on the Manhattan declaration, which means uniting with the Roman Catholic church in dealing with moral issues.

 

RZIM is has no official position on Roman Catholicism or much else either, apparetly anything goes when it comes to evangelism for RZIM.

 

About a year ago Ravi told a story about in a conference about an affiliate calling him on the phone to ask if they could meet somewhere because he had has something to tell him, so his friend said that God told him Ravi's ministry would be blessed and that he would receive healing, then he said God gave him information that only Ravi would know what it meant, the information "4,5,6"  according to Ravi those were the numbers of his herniated vertebrae and from that point on he was healed.

Why is it that this message from God sounds much more like a reading from a psychic? That's what a psychic does, they tell you general information that will almost always be true in some way.

 

 

Watch out for wolves and stay strong in Christ everyone.

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I'm not convinced.   He met with my brother personally after my brother lost his son.  Ravi went out of his way to  counsel my brother whom he did not know.  I'll let God judge the man.  He speaks truth and just because you find areas of disagreement doesn't mean it's a wolf.  Good grief:

 

RAVI K. ZACHARIAS
CURRICULUM VITAE
ORDINATION
n Ordained by The Christian and Missionary Alliance, 1980
n Licensed as a National Evangelist by The Christian and Missionary Alliance in
the United States, 1977-present
n Licensed by The Christian and Missionary Alliance of Canada, 1972-77
RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES
n Founded RZIM in 1984
n As of 2017, RZIM has 16 offices globally including in the U.S., Canada, the
United Kingdom, Romania, Turkey, South Africa, Singapore, and India.
n RZIM is comprised of a global team of more than 200 employees, including over
60 full-time itinerant speakers and over 20 adjunct speakers.
n Let My People Think, a weekly radio program, airs on over 2,000 outlets in 32
countries. A Spanish-language version entitled Pensemos airs on over 200 outlets
in 23 countries.
n Just Thinking, a weekday 15-minute radio program, airs on over 650 outlets in 19
countries.
n Just a Thought, a one-minute radio program, airs on over 500 outlets in 6
countries.
n Let My People Think, a TV program, is broadcast on 31 stations in the U.S.,
Canada, and Belize, with global coverage into Africa, China, and Europe. A
version of this program airs in India.
n The Zacharias Institute—an apologetics training center in the U.S. with a global
reach—launched in 2017.
n Wellspring International—RZIM’s humanitarian arm, established in 2004—
identifies and gives financial support and accountability to existing organizations
aiding women and children at risk and provides individual scholarships to support
education, healthcare, and basic living needs. In 2016, Wellspring International
assisted over 3,500 families, women, and children and supported 16 projects for
those affected by human trafficking, natural disaster, and poverty across 13
countries.
SELECTED SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS
n World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians in Washington, D.C., 2017
n “Talks at Google” series, Google corporate headquarters in Mountain View, CA,
2017
n Together 2016 in Washington, D.C., 2016
n National Prayer Breakfast in Ottawa, Canada, 2015
n MissionUkraine Launch in Kiev, 2014
n The Keswick Convention, UK featured on BBC Radio 4’s Morning Worship,
2014
n National Parliamentary Prayer Breakfast (National Prayer Breakfast),
Westminster Hall, London, U.K., 2009
n National Day of Prayer (Honorary Chairman), Washington, D.C., 2002, 2008
n Mormon Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2004 and 2014
n First Annual Prayer Breakfast for African Leaders, Mozambique, 2003
n Annual Prayer Breakfast at the United Nations, New York, 2002, 2004, 2012,
2017
n First Veritas Forum, Harvard University, 1992
n Lenin Military Political Academy (Humanitarian Academy of the Armed Forces
of Russia) and Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of
Russia, Moscow, 1992
n Inaugural International Conference for Itinerant Evangelists convened by the
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Amsterdam, 1983; Amsterdam 1986, and
Amsterdam 2000
n Lima al Encuentro con Dios (LED), Lima, Peru, 1982, 1992
n Numerous U.S. bases and institutions, including Anderson Air Force Base
(Guam), Ramstein Air Base (Germany), U.S. Army Rheinland Pfalz,
Kaiserslautern (Germany), and The North Atlantic Regional Medical Command
and Walter Reed Army Medical Center (Bethesda, MD)
n Open forums addressing students on campuses worldwide, including at St.
Stephens College, University of Delhi (Delhi, India), Uppsala University
(Uppsala, Sweden), Zayed University (Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates),
National Pedagogical Dragomanov University (Kiev, Ukraine), University of
Witwatersrand (Johannesburg, South Africa), Harvard University (Cambridge,
MA), Princeton University (Princeton, NJ), Yale University (New Haven, CT),
and U.S. military academies
PUBLICATIONS
n Jesus Among Secular Gods, coauthored with Vince Vitale (FaithWords, 2017).
n Why Suffering: Finding Meaning and Comfort When Life Doesn’t Make Sense,
coauthored with Vince Vitale (FaithWords, 2014).
n The Lamb and the Fuhrer, graphic novel edition, with Jeff Slemons (Kingstone
Comics, 2014).
n The Merchant and the Thief: A Folktale from India, reprint edition illustrated by
Laure Fournier (Zondervan, 2012).
n Why Jesus: Rediscovering His Truth in an Age of Mass Marketed Spirituality
(FaithWords, 2012).
n Has Christianity Failed You? (Zondervan, 2010).
n There Is a Plan (Zondervan, 2009).
n The End of Reason: A Response to the New Atheists (Zondervan, 2008).
n New Birth or Rebirth: Jesus Talks to Krishna (Multnomah, 2008).
n Beyond Opinion: Living the Faith We Defend, author and general editor (Thomas
Nelson, 2007).
n The Grand Weaver: How God Shapes Us through the Events of Our Lives
(Zondervan, 2007).
n Walking From East to West: God in the Shadows (with R.S.B. Sawyer)
(Zondervan, 2006).
n The Lamb and the Fuhrer: Jesus Talks with Hitler (Multnomah Publishing, 2005).
n The Real Face of Atheism, revised and expanded edition of A Shattered Visage
(Baker Book House, 2004).
n I, Isaac, Take Thee, Rebekah (Word Publishing, 2004).
n Recapture the Wonder (Integrity Publishers, 2003).
n Who Made God? And Answers to Over 100 Other Tough Questions of Faith, coeditor
with Norman Geisler (Zondervan, 2003).
n Is Your Church Ready? Motivating Leaders To Live an Apologetic Life, coeditor
with Norman Geisler (Zondervan, 2003).
n Sense and Sensuality: Jesus Talks with Oscar Wilde (Multnomah Publishing,
2002).
n Light in the Shadow of Jihad: The Struggle for Truth (Multnomah Publishing,
2002).
n The Lotus and the Cross: Jesus Talks with Buddha (Multnomah Publishing, 2001)
n The Broken Promise, illustrated by Lad Odell (Chariot Victor Publishing, 2000).
n Jesus Among Other Gods: The Absolute Claims of the Christian Message (Word
Publishing, 2000).
n The Merchant and the Thief: A Folktale of Godly Wisdom, illustrated by Lad
Odell (Chariot Victor Publishing, 1999).
n Cries of the Heart: Bringing God Near When He Feels So Far (Word Publishing,
1998).
n Deliver Us From Evil: Restoring the Soul in a Disintegrating Culture (Word
Publishing, 1996).
n Can Man Live Without God (Word Publishing, 1994).
n A Shattered Visage: The Real Face of Atheism (Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1990).
EDUCATION/TEACHING
n Senior Research Fellow (Honorary) at Wycliffe Hall, a Permanent Private Hall of
the University of Oxford (Oxford, England), 2007-2015
n Guided study at Ridley Hall, an independent theological college affiliated with the
University of Cambridge (Cambridge, England), 1990
n Chair and Associate Professor of Evangelism and Associate Professor of
Evangelism and Contemporary Thought, Alliance Theological Seminary (Nyack,
New York), 1980-1984
n Master of Divinity, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (Deerfield, Illinois), 1976
n Bachelor of Theology, Ontario Bible College (Tyndale College and Seminary,
Toronto, Ontario), 1972 
HONORARY DOCTORATES
n Doctor of Letters, Patrick Henry College, 2017 (Purcellville, VA)
n Doctor of Public Service, Gordon College, 2016 (Wenham, MA)
n Doctor Honoris Causa, University of San Marcos, 2016 (Lima, Peru)
n Doctor of Humane Letters, Indiana Wesleyan University, 2016 (Marion, IN)
n Doctor of Divinity, Trinity College of Florida, 2014 (Trinity, FL)
n Doctor of Sacred Theology, Liberty University, 2013 (Lynchburg, VA)
n Doctor of Divinity, McMaster Divinity College, 2012 (Hamilton, Ontario)
n Doctor of Divinity, Tyndale College and Seminary, 1998 (Toronto, Ontario)
n Doctor of Laws, Asbury College (now University), 1990 (Wilmore, KY)
n Doctor of Divinity, Houghton College, 1980 (Houghton, NY)

 

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14 minutes ago, Papa Zoom said:

I'm not convinced.   He met with my brother personally after my brother lost his son.  Ravi went out of his way to  counsel my brother whom he did not know.  I'll let God judge the man.  He speaks truth and just because you find areas of disagreement doesn't mean it's a wolf.  Good grief:

 

RAVI K. ZACHARIAS
CURRICULUM VITAE
ORDINATION
n Ordained by The Christian and Missionary Alliance, 1980
n Licensed as a National Evangelist by The Christian and Missionary Alliance in
the United States, 1977-present
n Licensed by The Christian and Missionary Alliance of Canada, 1972-77
RAVI ZACHARIAS INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES
n Founded RZIM in 1984
n As of 2017, RZIM has 16 offices globally including in the U.S., Canada, the
United Kingdom, Romania, Turkey, South Africa, Singapore, and India.
n RZIM is comprised of a global team of more than 200 employees, including over
60 full-time itinerant speakers and over 20 adjunct speakers.
n Let My People Think, a weekly radio program, airs on over 2,000 outlets in 32
countries. A Spanish-language version entitled Pensemos airs on over 200 outlets
in 23 countries.
n Just Thinking, a weekday 15-minute radio program, airs on over 650 outlets in 19
countries.
n Just a Thought, a one-minute radio program, airs on over 500 outlets in 6
countries.
n Let My People Think, a TV program, is broadcast on 31 stations in the U.S.,
Canada, and Belize, with global coverage into Africa, China, and Europe. A
version of this program airs in India.
n The Zacharias Institute—an apologetics training center in the U.S. with a global
reach—launched in 2017.
n Wellspring International—RZIM’s humanitarian arm, established in 2004—
identifies and gives financial support and accountability to existing organizations
aiding women and children at risk and provides individual scholarships to support
education, healthcare, and basic living needs. In 2016, Wellspring International
assisted over 3,500 families, women, and children and supported 16 projects for
those affected by human trafficking, natural disaster, and poverty across 13
countries.
SELECTED SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS
n World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians in Washington, D.C., 2017
n “Talks at Google” series, Google corporate headquarters in Mountain View, CA,
2017
n Together 2016 in Washington, D.C., 2016
n National Prayer Breakfast in Ottawa, Canada, 2015
n MissionUkraine Launch in Kiev, 2014
n The Keswick Convention, UK featured on BBC Radio 4’s Morning Worship,
2014
n National Parliamentary Prayer Breakfast (National Prayer Breakfast),
Westminster Hall, London, U.K., 2009
n National Day of Prayer (Honorary Chairman), Washington, D.C., 2002, 2008
n Mormon Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2004 and 2014
n First Annual Prayer Breakfast for African Leaders, Mozambique, 2003
n Annual Prayer Breakfast at the United Nations, New York, 2002, 2004, 2012,
2017
n First Veritas Forum, Harvard University, 1992
n Lenin Military Political Academy (Humanitarian Academy of the Armed Forces
of Russia) and Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of
Russia, Moscow, 1992
n Inaugural International Conference for Itinerant Evangelists convened by the
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, Amsterdam, 1983; Amsterdam 1986, and
Amsterdam 2000
n Lima al Encuentro con Dios (LED), Lima, Peru, 1982, 1992
n Numerous U.S. bases and institutions, including Anderson Air Force Base
(Guam), Ramstein Air Base (Germany), U.S. Army Rheinland Pfalz,
Kaiserslautern (Germany), and The North Atlantic Regional Medical Command
and Walter Reed Army Medical Center (Bethesda, MD)
n Open forums addressing students on campuses worldwide, including at St.
Stephens College, University of Delhi (Delhi, India), Uppsala University
(Uppsala, Sweden), Zayed University (Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates),
National Pedagogical Dragomanov University (Kiev, Ukraine), University of
Witwatersrand (Johannesburg, South Africa), Harvard University (Cambridge,
MA), Princeton University (Princeton, NJ), Yale University (New Haven, CT),
and U.S. military academies
PUBLICATIONS
n Jesus Among Secular Gods, coauthored with Vince Vitale (FaithWords, 2017).
n Why Suffering: Finding Meaning and Comfort When Life Doesn’t Make Sense,
coauthored with Vince Vitale (FaithWords, 2014).
n The Lamb and the Fuhrer, graphic novel edition, with Jeff Slemons (Kingstone
Comics, 2014).
n The Merchant and the Thief: A Folktale from India, reprint edition illustrated by
Laure Fournier (Zondervan, 2012).
n Why Jesus: Rediscovering His Truth in an Age of Mass Marketed Spirituality
(FaithWords, 2012).
n Has Christianity Failed You? (Zondervan, 2010).
n There Is a Plan (Zondervan, 2009).
n The End of Reason: A Response to the New Atheists (Zondervan, 2008).
n New Birth or Rebirth: Jesus Talks to Krishna (Multnomah, 2008).
n Beyond Opinion: Living the Faith We Defend, author and general editor (Thomas
Nelson, 2007).
n The Grand Weaver: How God Shapes Us through the Events of Our Lives
(Zondervan, 2007).
n Walking From East to West: God in the Shadows (with R.S.B. Sawyer)
(Zondervan, 2006).
n The Lamb and the Fuhrer: Jesus Talks with Hitler (Multnomah Publishing, 2005).
n The Real Face of Atheism, revised and expanded edition of A Shattered Visage
(Baker Book House, 2004).
n I, Isaac, Take Thee, Rebekah (Word Publishing, 2004).
n Recapture the Wonder (Integrity Publishers, 2003).
n Who Made God? And Answers to Over 100 Other Tough Questions of Faith, coeditor
with Norman Geisler (Zondervan, 2003).
n Is Your Church Ready? Motivating Leaders To Live an Apologetic Life, coeditor
with Norman Geisler (Zondervan, 2003).
n Sense and Sensuality: Jesus Talks with Oscar Wilde (Multnomah Publishing,
2002).
n Light in the Shadow of Jihad: The Struggle for Truth (Multnomah Publishing,
2002).
n The Lotus and the Cross: Jesus Talks with Buddha (Multnomah Publishing, 2001)
n The Broken Promise, illustrated by Lad Odell (Chariot Victor Publishing, 2000).
n Jesus Among Other Gods: The Absolute Claims of the Christian Message (Word
Publishing, 2000).
n The Merchant and the Thief: A Folktale of Godly Wisdom, illustrated by Lad
Odell (Chariot Victor Publishing, 1999).
n Cries of the Heart: Bringing God Near When He Feels So Far (Word Publishing,
1998).
n Deliver Us From Evil: Restoring the Soul in a Disintegrating Culture (Word
Publishing, 1996).
n Can Man Live Without God (Word Publishing, 1994).
n A Shattered Visage: The Real Face of Atheism (Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1990).
EDUCATION/TEACHING
n Senior Research Fellow (Honorary) at Wycliffe Hall, a Permanent Private Hall of
the University of Oxford (Oxford, England), 2007-2015
n Guided study at Ridley Hall, an independent theological college affiliated with the
University of Cambridge (Cambridge, England), 1990
n Chair and Associate Professor of Evangelism and Associate Professor of
Evangelism and Contemporary Thought, Alliance Theological Seminary (Nyack,
New York), 1980-1984
n Master of Divinity, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (Deerfield, Illinois), 1976
n Bachelor of Theology, Ontario Bible College (Tyndale College and Seminary,
Toronto, Ontario), 1972 
HONORARY DOCTORATES
n Doctor of Letters, Patrick Henry College, 2017 (Purcellville, VA)
n Doctor of Public Service, Gordon College, 2016 (Wenham, MA)
n Doctor Honoris Causa, University of San Marcos, 2016 (Lima, Peru)
n Doctor of Humane Letters, Indiana Wesleyan University, 2016 (Marion, IN)
n Doctor of Divinity, Trinity College of Florida, 2014 (Trinity, FL)
n Doctor of Sacred Theology, Liberty University, 2013 (Lynchburg, VA)
n Doctor of Divinity, McMaster Divinity College, 2012 (Hamilton, Ontario)
n Doctor of Divinity, Tyndale College and Seminary, 1998 (Toronto, Ontario)
n Doctor of Laws, Asbury College (now University), 1990 (Wilmore, KY)
n Doctor of Divinity, Houghton College, 1980 (Houghton, NY)

 

You have a knack for defending heretics I see. So what if he said some stuff to your brother, that doesn't make him a good teacher to follow. If he says people like Joyce Myers are good biblical teachers then he needs to be shut up so he doesn't lead people to false teaching.

 

The only doctates he has are conferred, in fact he's even apologized in the past for making it seem like he was more credible than he is.

 

You act as if I did something wrong by being serious about truth, I don't recall a verse in the Bible that commands us to be careless.

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I've read his books and listened to hours of his lectures.  He's orthodox.  And he's done more for spreading the truth of the Gospel than you ever will.   He's a man of God and just because there are critics who twist things is meaningless.  How many honorary degrees do you have?

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I've read his books and listened to hours of his lectures.  He's orthodox.  And he's done more for spreading the truth of the Gospel than you ever will.   He's a man of God and just because there are critics who twist things is meaningless.  How many honorary degrees do you have?

That's quite immature of you, and silly. People claim Benny Hinn has spread the Gospel more than I have too. Do I need a degree to be able to discern false teachers?  

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11 minutes ago, Innerfire89 said:

Just those first few paragraphs said enough.

We have more than "theological defferences" with Mormonism.

Ravi works with many groups of different religious persuasions for common causes.  I'm still not seeing an argument other than your personal attacks on me.  

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2 minutes ago, Papa Zoom said:

Ravi works with many groups of different religious persuasions for common causes.  I'm still not seeing an argument other than your personal attacks on me.  

Well when you start out with things like "good grief" and then make silly arguments with are focused on me and weither or not I hold honorary degrees or if I'm not some evangelical giant, then what do you expect? You are careless and your arguments are immature, and you'er rude, I'm just calling out the facts.

 

We're not supposed to works with people of other religious persuasions, that's in conflict with Scripture and is worthless to join with unbelievers on moral issues when they reject the solution, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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12 hours ago, Innerfire89 said:

We're not supposed to works with people of other religious persuasions, that's in conflict with Scripture and is worthless to join with unbelievers on moral issues when they reject the solution, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Christianity is an exclusive religion. No other religion makes the claim that there is no other way to the Father but by Jesus Christ. If Ravi cannot denounce the other gods of other religions then I agree with you. However, from what I have observed about Ravi is that he speaks of other religious followers not claiming to have the absolute truth.

 

As far as "working with other religions" this can be a sticky subject. It is okay in my book for us to go into other religious places of worship or teaching and preach the gospel, but I do not find it appropriate for us to invite others to talk about other gods in our place of worship. I think "living" or "coexisting" with others has its limitation. I can't recall the Apostle Paul tearing down or destroying idols, but he instead used the gods of other religions to teach Christianity Acts 17:23.

 

Given Ravi's past, I think he could be a bridge builder "from" and not "to" other religions. It is common here for our members to learn the evolutionary jargon used by secular scientist in order to bridge unbelievers to Christianity, so I'm sure that it is not totally unthinkable in your mind for Ravi to do this.

 

You come from a highly "analytical" and "historical" denomination Innerfire. There's a reason why you are there, but remember some people are for the first time stepping into the Christian faith, and certain teachers or churches are merely stepping stones. By stepping stone I mean that some are great for overcoming obstacles which prevent people from entering the faith, but they fall short in other areas of study that'd we expect Christians to mature into.

 

God bless,

William

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4 hours ago, Faber said:

The article says, "Ecumenical compromise is sinful, which is destroying many churches these days. That's the same problem with Billy Graham (or should I say, Billy Balaam)."

 

While Billy Graham reached out to an uncountable number of people with Christianity, he brought a different type of Christianity into our homes through the television. It was Christianity minus Theology.

 

God bless,

William

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2 hours ago, William said:

Christianity is an exclusive religion. No other religion makes the claim that there is no other way to the Father but by Jesus Christ. If Ravi cannot denounce the other gods of other religions then I agree with you. However, from what I have observed about Ravi is that he speaks of other religions to followers not claiming to have the absolute truth.

 

As far as "working with other religions" this can be a sticky subject. It is okay in my book for us to go into other religious places of worship or teaching and preach the gospel, but I do not find it appropriate for us to invite others to talk about other gods in our place of worship. I think "living" or "coexisting" with others has its limitation. I can't recall the Apostle Paul tearing down or destroying idols, but he instead used the gods of other religions to teach Christianity Acts 17:23.

 

Given Ravi's past, I think he could be a bridge builder "from" and not "to" other religions. It is common here for our members to learn the evolutionary jargon used by secular scientist in order to bridge unbelievers to Christianity, so I'm sure that it is not totally unthinkable in your mind for Ravi to do this.

 

You come from a highly "analytical" and "historical" denomination Innerfire. There's a reason why you are there, but remember some people are for the first time stepping into the Christian faith, and certain teachers or churches are merely stepping stones. By stepping stone I mean that some are great for overcoming obstacles which prevent people from entering the faith, but they fall short in other areas of study that'd we expect Christians to mature into.

 

God bless,

William

What meant by "working with other religions" is working alongside them, partnering with them.

 

I agree with learning about other religions and philosophies in order to communicate the Gospel, I would even suggest doing so.

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