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Those who will not accept will not be taught.  There are plenty of 'loose christian' forums .

My view, Christians  would do better to support truth. Example: The NT does teach Jesus is God.  Then to support self willed feelings saying " No it does not".  .  Maybe a fellow Christian could have spoken up for the Word of Truth instead we attack the messenger of the Word. 


Some Christian ideals are/can be ambiguous The deity of Christ is not one of those.  



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Time to get back to the topic of this thread 

When Jesus Comes Back Next

By deade,


Posted June 7

You claim Jesus is coming for a secret rapture, and He will be coming into only the air. If Jesus comes into the atmosphere, that is still "a coming." There is no secret rapture there are saints dying all during the tribulation.

When Christ comes back the very next time, He will encircle the earth while the asleep in Christ will rise and join Him.


1 Thess. 4:17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." You see, we meet in the air, then we are ever with the Lord; not ever in the air. Then those that are alive will be changed into incorruptible spirits to join him. Jesus said that no man has ascended to heaven.


John 3:13: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”


Don't give me a reference to the transfiguration when Jesus appeared with Moses and Elijah. Matt. 17:9: “And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.”


This is an example of a vision. But a vision is just a vision, we should not draw doctrine from them. A vision is an exception to what is literal.  All the patriarchs in Hebrews 11 are still waiting to get to heaven. I remind you this was written after the cross. No, Hebrews 12 doesn't prove anyone in heaven. It is just a reference to Zion.

Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit.


John said: John 4:24: “God is a spirit: and they that worship Him must  worship Him in spirit and truth.”


In 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too. God could be among us and invisible like His angels are. He could make Himself visible and has done so in the past.  


Luke 21:25-27: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. The sea and the waves roaring; and then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.”


When Jesus comes back, His countenance will be like the sunrise: glorious!


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What is a spiritual body?  I believe it is spirit. Of course, Christ ascended and came back in a physical body. He also generated physical bodies for Himself and two angels (cherubim?) in the Plains of Mamre to talk to Abraham. He is God, He can do anything he wants. Spirits can walk through walls and doors. God does not need a body.

John 4:24: “God is a spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


2 Cor. 3:17,18: “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.” This suggests that we will be made into the sons of God, with our make up similar. Thus, we will be spirits


We would not even recognize Him in His glorified form. 2 Corinthians 5:16: "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." He is now in glory.

Everything made in our universe was made by the unseen (spirits).  


Hebrews 11:3: “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”     


1 Timothy 1:17: “Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

This is all about our feeble brains trying to understand the infinite things of the spirit world. Our salvation might not depend on our interpretation and getting everything right, but God will share with us if our minds are open.


Our spirits are joined with the Holy Spirit (only partly) like Jesus and the Father are joined. Their union is perfect and complete. That is what make God: God. That is why He can be everywhere at once. Once we put off our fleshly bodies, we will be more completed as spirits. There will different levels of reward and completeness as is suggested in the scriptures. He will award everyone according to their works. See the parable of the talents starting at Matt. 25:14.

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