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Is human activity responsible for climate change?

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It is generally accepted that the earth’s climate is changing and that the greenhouse gases produced by the use of fossil fuels are responsible for much of this change. In 2015 a group of nations signed an agreement known as the Paris Accord in which they agreed to take steps to ease climate change. Earlier this year President Trump was criticized when the withdrew the United States from this agreement.

 

President Trump’s action was not as irresponsible as most people seem to think. There are many scientists who think that human actions aren’t responsible for climate change. You can read the arguments for both sides of this issue here: Is Human Activity Primarily Responsible for Global Climate Change?

 

Both sides are based on the opinions of scientists who have studied the data extensively. For those who believe the Bible there is a third option. The Bible teaches that humans do affect the climate but not by burning fossil fuels.

 

The greatest change in climate was that caused by the flood in Noah’s day. The flood was just on aspect of a world wide catastrophe in which the geography of the earth was change and the continents that exist today were formed by parts of the earth’s surface rising out of the water.

 

The mountains rose, the valleys sank down

to the place that you appointed for them. (Psalm 104:8 ESV)

 

This is what caused the flood.

 

Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight, and the earth was filled with violence. And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. Make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch." (Genesis 6:11-14 ESV)

 

The people who lived before the flood brought this change on themselves, not by burning fossil fuels or doing anything else which affected the climate directly, but by rebelling against God.

 

God promised that he will never again destroy the world with flood but obedience or disobedience still have an effect on our climate. In Deuteronomy 28 God promised the Israelites he would bless them if they obeyed and curse them if they disobeyed. Some of the blessings and curses involved the weather.

 

The Lord will open to you his good treasury, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hands. And you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow. (Deuteronomy 28:12 ESV)

 

And the heavens over your head shall be bronze, and the earth under you shall be iron. The Lord will make the rain of your land powder. From heaven dust shall come down on you until you are destroyed. (Deuteronomy 28:23-24 ESV)

 

Our weather and our climate are in God’s hands and he sometimes changes our physical climate in response to our moral climate. We live in a time when many are rejecting God and his laws, and by doing this they are bringing God’s judgment. Revelation 6-19 describes the events that will take place just before Jesus Christ returns to rule the earth. People will reject him and he will send judgments, including the destruction of plant life, turning the sea into blood, and a period of global warming that will make our present climate seem like an ice age by comparison. In spite of this men will continue their rebellion until Christ returns and destroys the army that has been raised up to oppose him.

 

If you want to have a positive impact on the climate you can do so by serving God faithfully and trying to persuade others to do the same. A few years ago some proponents of climate change said that is was so important that preachers should make it the subject of their sermons. In a way, they were right. A preacher’s job is to teach his congregation the Bible and persuade them to obey it. Anyone who does this faithfully will have a positive impact on our climate.

 

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. (Matthew 6:33 ESV)

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If driving car and trucks, using aerosol products, throwing batteries in land fills, and all that jazz could change our climate then we would have been roasted by the sun years ago. Now abusing the earth can certainly cause animals to go extinct and we should be good stewards of what God gives us.

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@Innerfire89 I totally agree with what you wrote, and I believe that the earth has been going through heating and cooling periods for thousands of years. The last cooling cycle was around the 1600-1700's, and we have been on a warming cycle since then. Soon, there is a good chance that the earth will start into the next cooling cycle, and from what I have read, the cycles last around 400 years, so 200 going into the cycle, and 200 coming back out, and then 200 starting into the next cycle, etc.

However, we as a human race are certainly not helping anything, or taking care of this earth that God made for us and that we live on. The very first thing that God did with mankind was set us to be stewards over the land and the animals, and we are destroying both of these, and even the animals which are raised for food are kept in horrible conditions.

I think that if everything on earth went back in time to how it was 200 years ago, the earth would still be going through whatever climate changes it goes through, regardless of whether mankind lied on earth or not.

But even though we are not causing climate change, we still need to do a better job of taking care of the earth and the things that we can change or make a difference in.

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Yes, human activity is the primary cause of the current warming trend. Previous warming events had identifiable natural causes (e.g., orbital changes), but the current trend is only explained when human activities are factored in.

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Yes, human activity is the primary cause of the current warming trend.

 

 

I have asked this question 1719 times, more or less, but have not received an answer, perhaps you can change that RJ.

 

Can you provide verifiable documentation as to what percentage can be proven to be caused by man?

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Can you provide verifiable documentation as to what percentage can be proven to be caused by man?

No.

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No.

 

 

I appreciate your honesty...which renders your previous assertion as being very suspect.

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I appreciate your honesty...which renders your previous assertion as being very suspect.

 

How so?

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How so?

 

OH, if you cannot provide documentation of how much human activity contributes to AGW then how on earth can you prove your statement...

 

Yes, human activity is the primary cause of the current warming trend.

 

Extremely suspect, nothing more than an unsubstantiated opinion but no need for concern, no one else has been able to answer the question either. It is kind of like me if I said, "all AGW alarmist are liars", making claims they cannot prove. Is that not fair?

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OH, if you cannot provide documentation of how much human activity contributes to AGW then how on earth can you prove your statement...

It's as I said.....past warming trends had identifiable natural causes such as orbital changes, whereas with the current warming trend there is no identifiable natural cause. It's only when human activities are factored in that the trend is explained. IMO, withholding agreement until an exact percentage is proven is silly, akin to refusing treatment on one's lung cancer until a doctor can prove exactly how much of it was caused by smoking.

 

Extremely suspect, nothing more than an unsubstantiated opinion

It's very well substantiated. The relevant journals are filled with supporting data and analyses.

 

but no need for concern, no one else has been able to answer the question either. It is kind of like me if I said, "all AGW alarmist are liars", making claims they cannot prove. Is that not fair?

What do you think is behind the current warming trend?

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It's as I said.....past warming trends had identifiable natural causes such as orbital changes

 

You do agree there is a huge difference in, "It's as I said" from documented evidence, do you not? IF, what you say is true, then it should be a simple matter to provide some verifiable evidence, where is it?

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It's very well substantiated.

 

Good, then give me a link to that substantiation that gives the data for the percent of GW that is caused by man, can you do that?

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What do you think is behind the current warming trend?

 

Money...other than that, climate is cyclical, always has been always will be and that is controlled by God. Wait for a few years and you will see some warming like you cannot image, even Gore will be impressed.

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Um...........

 

other than that, climate is cyclical, always has been always will be and that is controlled by God. Wait for a few years and you will see some warming like you cannot image, even Gore will be impressed.

Ok, thanks.

 

Good, then give me a link to that substantiation that gives the data for the percent of GW that is caused by man, can you do that?

As I said before, I'm not aware of any study that attempts to put a percentage on the warming trend in the way you describe.

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As I said before, I'm not aware of any study that attempts to put a percentage on the warming trend in the way you describe.

 

Great, and as I said before, " IF, what you say is true, then it should be a simple matter to provide some verifiable evidence".

 

Yes' date=' human activity is the primary cause of the current warming trend.[/quote']

 

You have no evidence so that statement is false, correct?

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Great, and as I said before, " IF, what you say is true, then it should be a simple matter to provide some verifiable evidence".

 

 

 

You have no evidence so that statement is false, correct?

 

If you're looking for a comprehensive scientific case that human activity is responsible for the current warming trend, then probably the best resource are the IPCC Assessment Reports: CLICK HERE

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If you're looking for a comprehensive scientific case that human activity

 

No, what I am looking for is you providing some verifiable evidence that supports the dogmatic assertion that you made. I have read numerous reports from both sides and have looked at raw data from NOAA, the RSS satellite feeds and have asked the question that I asked you numerous times with no answer from anyone. How about I provide you links to comprehensive rebuttals, will you read them? RJ, why not just say that is your opinion, what you choose to believe which you have every right to but do you have a right to make misleading and/or false assertions?

 

BTW, will your link answer my questions or, is it only an indoctrination site?

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No, what I am looking for is you providing some verifiable evidence that supports the dogmatic assertion that you made.

I just did. The IPCC reports provide a comprehensive review of the data.

 

I have read numerous reports from both sides and have looked at raw data from NOAA, the RSS satellite feeds and have asked the question that I asked you numerous times with no answer from anyone.

So is your agreement that humans are responsible for the current warming trend contingent on you being given this percentage? If so, why?

 

How about I provide you links to comprehensive rebuttals, will you read them?

Sure.

 

RJ, why not just say that is your opinion, what you choose to believe which you have every right to but do you have a right to make misleading and/or false assertions?

Because it's not just my opinion.....it's the overwhelming majority opinion of the community of climatologists.

 

BTW, will your link answer my questions or, is it only an indoctrination site?

It's the site of the International Panel on Climate Change, a panel of the world's top experts in climatology (and other fields) where you can read all their reports, including ones at a layperson level (policy summaries) and at a technical level (the physical science reports).

 

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