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JESUS CHRIST KEEPS US SAVED FOREVER

 

Bible Reading: John 10:22 -30.

 

Aim: To prove from the Bible that when Jesus Christ saves us, He keeps us saved forever. We cannot lose Christ's salvation.

 

Introduction: Many religions that teach works for salvation, also teach that we can lose salvation. This follows logically because if we are saved partly or wholly by our works, then we can fail to keep up the good works and hence lose salvation. The truth is that if we call on Christ to save us, and He saves us, then He keeps us saved forever. The following scriptures show this:

 

1. "I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish." John 10:28.

 

• This is an unconditional guarantee.

 

• Eternal life means saved for eternity.

 

• What does "never perish" mean?

 

2. "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." Philippians 1:6.

 

• Christ will perform His work in us to the Second Coming.

 

3. "The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD... Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand ... The LORD .. forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever." Psalms 37:23-28.

 

• Four times God tells us that He keeps us saved.

 

4. "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38,39.

 

• For a born again believer to be lost, he must somehow be separated from the love of God, and become an object of God's wrath. Paul says that this is impossible.

 

5. "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." Hebrews 7:25.

 

"to the uttermost" means "forever."

 

6. "By his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hebrews 9:12.

• Redemption means to buy back by paying a price. Since we have an eternal redemption, we are redeemed for all eternity.

 

7. "... receive the promise of eternal inheritance." Hebrews 9:15.

 

• Our inheritance is for eternity.

 

• Our eternal inheritance is promised by God.

 

8. "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." 1 Corinthians 15:49.

• "Shall" means that it is a certainty that we will bear the heavenly image.

 

9. "To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:4,5.

 

• Six times God tells us that we are secure forever.

 

• "Fadeth not away" means perpetual.

 

10. "I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." 2 Timothy 1:12.

• Paul had committed the keeping of his soul to Christ. He was sure that Christ would keep him saved to his heavenly kingdom.

 

11. "The Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom..." 2 Timothy 4:18.

• The Lord will deliver us and preserve us.

 

12. "Who shall also confirm you unto the END, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful ..." 1 Corinthians 1:8,9.

 

13. "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." Colossians 3:4.

• Ye shall appear with Christ in glory, no if's or but's.

 

14. "This is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life." 1 John 2:25. "In hope of eternal life which God, that cannot lie, promised.." Titus 1:2.

• God has promised eternal life to us, and He cannot lie.

 

15. "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37

 

• If we come to Jesus Christ for salvation, He will not cast us out of salvation.

 

16. "If our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." 2 Cor. 5:1.

• We know that if our body dies, we go to heaven for eternity.

17. "And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. "He that has the Son has life ... that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life." 1 John 5:11,12,13.

 

• God has recorded that we may know that we have eternal life in Christ.

 

18. "Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life ..." John 3:15, 16, 36.

 

• Twice God says that we will not perish.

 

• Three times God says that we have eternal life.

 

19. "There is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repents." Luke 15:10.

• If we could lose salvation, angels would not rejoice at salvation, but when we enter heaven.

 

• If we could lose salvation, we could not know for sure, as 1 John 5:13 says we can

 

20. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2: 8, 9.

• God is very zealous for us to know that God alone is responsible for man's salvation.

 

Every argument against the eternal security of the believer is based on the human element. As God definitely excludes all human element in salvation, every one of these arguments is thereby ruled out.

 

21. "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed ..." Romans 4:16.

• Eternal life is promised,

 

• it is sure,

 

• it is to all believers.

 

Question: If we receive salvation by faith and not by the works of the law (good works), then why is it necessary to keep the law (to keep up good works) in order to keep salvation?

 

22. "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God." Ephesians 2:19.

• All who truly know Christ as their Saviour, are already "citizens" of heaven, enrolled and registered in heaven.

23. Six times God says that we can KNOW that we have eternal life:

 

i) "that believe in the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have

 

eternal life."

 

1 John 5:13.

 

ii) "now are we the sons of God,… we KNOW that, when he shall appear we shall be like him.” I John 3:2.

 

iii) "we KNOW that ... we have ... an house eternal in the heavens." 2 Corinthians 5:1.

 

iv) "KNOWING that he which raised up the Lord Jesus, shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you." 2 Corinthians 4:14.

 

v) "Do ye not KNOW that the saints shall judge the world?

 

KNOW ye not that we SHALL judge angels? 1 Corinthians 6:2,3.

 

vi) "be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye KNOW that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 15:58.

 

If we lead a person to Christ, then they lost salvation, our labour would be a waste of time, in vain. However, it is not in vain, because God keeps them saved, even if they backslide.

 

24. "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." Hebrews 13:5.

 

25. "For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:14.

 

26. Eleven things that “SHALL BE”, prove that Christ keeps us saved. There is no question about whether or not certain things will be so. It is plainly stated that they “SHALL BE”.

 

i) "Then shall ye also appear with him in glory." Colossians 3:4.

 

ii) "Being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." Romans 5:9.

 

iii) "They which receive the gift of righteousness shall reign in life." Romans 5:17.

 

iv) "He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies." Romans 8:11.

 

v) "The glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18.

 

vi) "Who shall also confirm you unto the end." 1 Corinthians 1:8.

 

vii) "We shall also bear the image of the heavenly." 1 Corinthians 15:49.

 

Written to those at Corinth and "in every place." 1 Corinthians 1:2.

 

viii) We shall all be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:51.

 

ix) "Shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you." 2 Corinthians

 

4:14.

 

x) "When he shall appear, we shall be like Him ..." 1 John 3:2.

 

xi) "We shall judge angels." 1 Corinthians 6:3.

 

27. "The gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Romans 11:29.

 

• Eternal life is a gift from God. Romans 6:23.

 

• Holy Spirit is a gift from God. 1 Thessalonians 4:8.

 

• Righteousness is a gift from God. Romans 5:17.

 

God will not take back His gifts.

 

28. Sin is not charged against us.

 

"Their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." Hebrews 10:17.

 

“God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them.” 2 Corinthians 5:19.

 

29. Chastening proves salvation's permanency.

 

Chastening is a corrective discipline to purify our life, like "child training". God chastens us now in this life, in love when we sin to return us to His will.

 

"My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him. For whom the Lord loveth, he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the Father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof ALL are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Hebrews 12:5-8.

 

• Three results of chastening in Hebrews 12:9-11 are:

 

i) we give God reverence;

 

ii) for our profit - we learn holiness;

 

iii) yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

 

• Two methods of chastening in I Corinthians 11:29,30 are: i) sickness; and ii)

 

death.

 

"When we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world." 1 Corinthians 11:31,32.

 

30. Our destiny is to be conformed to the image of His Son, not to be lost.

 

"For whom he did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son .. called ... justified ... glorified." Romans 8:29,30.

 

31. We are indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption.

 

"Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30.

"I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth." John 14:16.

Question: Did Jesus promise that the Holy Spirit will abide with them until they became lost? NO! Forever.

32. Christ is our Advocate and Intercessor.

 

Question: If sin in a believer's life will cause him to be condemned, then for what purpose is Christ our Advocate or Intercessor?

 

"Christ who also maketh intercession for us." Romans 8:34. "He ever liveth to make intercession for us." Hebrews 7:25.

 

"If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” 1 John 2:1.

 

33. Our union with Christ, means we are in Christ.

 

i) Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." I Corinthians 12:27. Question: Will Christ permit his body to be dismembered? No.

ii) Our sin was counted as Christ's, now we have Christ's righteousness.

 

"He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:21.

 

iii) "If children, then heirs, ... joint heirs with Christ." Romans 8:17.

 

Because I am "in Christ", my eternal future is linked to Christ's as a joint heir. If Christ can be lost, so can I.

 

Conclusion

 

Security, not fear, produces Godly living. Romans 12:12; 1 Corinthians 6:15. Loss of salvation is never threatened.

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I thought this was supposed to be discussion time -- not reading a sermon.

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I thought this was supposed to be discussion time -- not reading a sermon.

 

Sorry. I thought it was a good topic/subject.

 

Feel free to mute/block me if you dont like my posts.

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Eternal security is a very important topic. That's why I clicked into this. Try condensing an hours sermon into a devotional. We're really not your congregation. We're all on the same level. :) Except for the moderators / Admin. :)

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When a person accepts Jesus Christ as personal Savior -- the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the person immediately and remains with us until we are with Jesus Christ. He will never leave us nor forsake us. We are eternally secure in Him. :)

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I thought this was supposed to be discussion time -- not reading a sermon.

 

There is no shortage of sermons on here. On other forums they would be dismissed as walls of text, and nobody would read them.

 

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On other forums they would be dismissed as walls of text, and nobody would read them.

 

 

 

 

 

I suspect that many of them go unread on this forum.

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I've gotten conditioned to pretty much ignore anything that Calvarystudy posts -- there have been a bunch listed where he apparently is lecturing against various religious groups. No one really wants to hear any of it. It's not a world-religions class. So -- I agree with both of you.

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@Calvarystudy

 

So when several lists are given of the types of people who will not be saved, and someone who was once saved becomes those types of people, you would say what?

 

Or when Christ himself said that he that endures until the end, the same shall be saved, he really meant he that endures until they are saved at X years old during church champ, the same shall be saved?

 

I'm not sure I understand your interpretation of this doctrine.

 

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I've gotten conditioned to pretty much ignore anything that Calvarystudy posts -- there have been a bunch listed where he apparently is lecturing against various religious groups. No one really wants to hear any of it. It's not a world-religions class. So -- I agree with both of you.

 

God bless you.

 

 

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When a person accepts Jesus Christ as personal Savior -- the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the person immediately and remains with us until we are with Jesus Christ. He will never leave us nor forsake us. We are eternally secure in Him. :)

 

Amen. Sadly, some "Christians" call God a liar.

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So when several lists are given of the types of people who will not be saved, and someone who was once saved becomes those types of people, you would say what?

 

Or when Christ himself said that he that endures until the end, the same shall be saved, he really meant he that endures until they are saved at X years old during church champ, the same shall be saved?

 

I'm not sure I understand your interpretation of this doctrine.

 

 

Right, you have a couple of questions here.

 

First, did you READ the post?

 

If so, please address the Bible verses quoted.

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I suspect that many of them go unread on this forum.

 

And thats fine, you can ignore anything you want.

 

God bless.

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There is no shortage of sermons on here. On other forums they would be dismissed as walls of text, and nobody would read them.

 

Ah, "walls of text".

 

What is your solution? what would YOU prefer?

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Eternal security is a very important topic. That's why I clicked into this. Try condensing an hours sermon into a devotional. We're really not your congregation. We're all on the same level. :) Except for the moderators / Admin. :)

 

I DO consider this a devotional.

 

You and others hate my posts and prefer to ignore them.

 

Thats fine, the truth is offensive to all sinners.

 

No, you cant say we are all on the "same level".

 

Some here believe you can lose your salvation. Some here do not. Surely this is an important topic worthy of DISCUSSION, which is what is happening.

 

So, rather than make ad homien attacks by telling people you prefer to ignore my posts, nobody reads them, etc. either agree with the teaching or not.

 

At least I AM posting.

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@Calvarystudy

 

So when several lists are given of the types of people who will not be saved, and someone who was once saved becomes those types of people, you would say what?

 

Or when Christ himself said that he that endures until the end, the same shall be saved, he really meant he that endures until they are saved at X years old during church champ, the same shall be saved?

 

I'm not sure I understand your interpretation of this doctrine.

 

"So when several lists are given of the types of people who will not be saved, and someone who was once saved becomes those types of people, you would say what?"

 

 

Where are these lists? Please show me.

 

 

"Or when Christ himself said that he that endures until the end, the same shall be saved, "

 

Yes, the word "endures" means resist. And its talking about enduring till the end of your ministry, i believe.

 

I see you TOTALLY FAIL to address ANY Biblical verses that are presented to you. instead, you IGNORE THEM and post one or two other ones as though they countermand the others.

 

Are you calling God a liar when He said "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." ?

 

Also, is God a liar when He said "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the UTTERMOST that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.". Is God NOT able to keep someone saved to the UTTERMOST?

 

Please, my friend, address these TWO verses.

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"So when several lists are given of the types of people who will not be saved, and someone who was once saved becomes those types of people, you would say what?"

 

 

Where are these lists? Please show me.

 

 

"Or when Christ himself said that he that endures until the end, the same shall be saved, "

 

Yes, the word "endures" means resist. And its talking about enduring till the end of your ministry, i believe.

 

I see you TOTALLY FAIL to address ANY Biblical verses that are presented to you. instead, you IGNORE THEM and post one or two other ones as though they countermand the others.

 

Are you calling God a liar when He said "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." ?

 

Also, is God a liar when He said "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the UTTERMOST that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.". Is God NOT able to keep someone saved to the UTTERMOST?

 

Please, my friend, address these TWO verses.

 

If only you could read your own two verses, because they are so simple it's scary. Neither address the problem of one who believed and then did not.

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Yes, they DO.

 

eternal means EVERLASTING

 

also, God promises to keep us saved to the UTTERMOST

 

you have provided NOTHING to suggest otherwise

 

 

or, are you confusing the TYPE of faith/ ie: Is it a SAVING faith?

 

God bless

 

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Ah, "walls of text".

 

What is your solution? what would YOU prefer?

Seriously, if you could indent the sub lists or mark the main points as headings it would be easier to read. With some list items on new lines and others on new lines with their bullet point on the line above (check the 'i) sickness and ii) death' layout) I found trying to follow your points rather difficult.

 

The only thing I would query, just to see if I understand your viewpoint, is if you would say that someone who was doing things that indicated they were saved and then does things that mean they are not, was never saved in the first place? As I believe salvation comes from Grace, not works, my view is obviously different.

 

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Seriously, if you could indent the sub lists or mark the main points as headings it would be easier to read. With some list items on new lines and others on new lines with their bullet point on the line above (check the 'i) sickness and ii) death' layout) I found trying to follow your points rather difficult.

 

The only thing I would query, just to see if I understand your viewpoint, is if you would say that someone who was doing things that indicated they were saved and then does things that mean they are not, was never saved in the first place? As I believe salvation comes from Grace, not works, my view is obviously different.

 

 

So, are you saying its NOT the CONTENT that people hate?

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Yes, they DO.

 

eternal means EVERLASTING

 

also, God promises to keep us saved to the UTTERMOST

 

you have provided NOTHING to suggest otherwise

 

 

or, are you confusing the TYPE of faith/ ie: Is it a SAVING faith?

 

God bless

 

Go read Romans 11 KJV and tell me that you cannot lose salvation.

 

You MUST hold onto your salvation or you WILL be snipped from the olive tree.

 

I am honestly just trying to save you and many others from this "once saved always saved" doctrine and I know that it will lead billions into their own destruction.

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You and others hate my posts and prefer to ignore them.

 

Thats fine, the truth is offensive to all sinners.

Hold up. Are you saying the reason people ignore your posts is because they are sinners?

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Go read Romans 11 KJV and tell me that you cannot lose salvation.

 

You MUST hold onto your salvation or you WILL be snipped from the olive tree.

 

I am honestly just trying to save you and many others from this "once saved always saved" doctrine and I know that it will lead billions into their own destruction.

 

No, you are not because you REFUSE to address the verses that people give you.

 

You ignore what people say and make monologs.

 

Did you READ the original post?

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@Calvarystudy it appears you just skipped over post 22. The question still stands.

 

Are you saying the reason people ignore your posts is because they are sinners?

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JESUS CHRIST KEEPS US SAVED FOREVER

 

Introduction: Many religions that teach works for salvation, also teach that we can lose salvation. This follows logically because if we are saved partly or wholly by our works, then we can fail to keep up the good works and hence lose salvation. The truth is that if we call on Christ to save us, and He saves us, then He keeps us saved forever. The following scriptures show this:

 

1. "I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish." John 10:28.

 

• This is an unconditional guarantee.

 

• Eternal life means saved for eternity.

 

• What does "never perish" mean?

John 10:25-30 KJV

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.

 

Ironically, I believe in ETERNAL SECURITY. However, I also believe in giving Scripture a chance to speak for itself within the larger context that a verse or phrase appears. So just jor fun, let's take your advice and look at John 10 and focus on the paragraph containing the verse John 10:28 KJV that you quoted from.

 

The "them" and "they" of your quoted verse are SHEEP!

While I am not claiming that Jesus was speaking of literal sheep, it does indicate that we are reading from a parable. An immediate red flag when dealing with a parable, is that a parable is intended to express a central idea and breaks if you attempt to gather too much unintended additional meaning from the parable.

 

So so in this parable there are TWO groups of sheep. "My sheep" and "not my sheep". Just to offer some obvious points for the view in opposition to ours (the NON Eternal Security View) from these verses:

1. Only the sheep that FOLLOW are the ones given Eternal Life. So how far does a sheep have to follow? All the way to the end? What happens to a sheep who wonders off?

2. A frequent counter argument that I hear is that no one can 'pluck' the SHEEP out of God's hand, but the SHEEP is free to choose to jump out of God's hand. So again, it is only the sheep that FOLLOW TO THE END that are His and gain eternal life.

 

I think that there are many good eternal security verses. I am not sure this is one of them.

[i hope you don't think it unfair to respond while you cannot post, I just wanted to throw SOMETHING out there that actually addresses the OP verses like you requested. So I picked a verse to examine closer.]

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