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Martin Luther: "The Jews and Their Lies"

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I had admired this great man of the Christian faith. In my long-standing walk with the fundamental beliefs in the last ten years out of 35 years of conversion to Christ, I had known the Christian tradition and practice in the best I knew how in what we were taught: Replacement Theology, for instance.

 

Being within the tutelage of the fundamental Independent Baptist teachings, I realized that the Jesus I was following and loved became such an interesting study, that I've begun to reason within my heart and spirit. Don't get wrong. I have not become 'heathen' as an IB pastor would brand me, 'rebellious'.

 

As I grow older, I searched with Philip Yancy's revealing book, "The Jesus I Never Knew". He helped me name and logically address (no guilt feelings) my longing about knowing more whom I was following, have entrusted my life to, and whom I asked to save me. Who is He—this Jesus? Why am I using the words in my vocabulary, “Be holy for I am holy” so often that I have become redundant and tiring to my younger listeners?

 

Thankfully, my journey ventured deeper farther back in history: past the 16th century medieval era. Past the Reformation time of Martin Luther or John Calvin. Even past the Apostolic fathers-- Ignatius and Polycarp. Past Iraneus and Clement, Augustine, Tertullian. I’ve had an encyclopaedia of all of these people. They all had in common with their protege, Martin Luther.

 

I simply found home in the farthest back to the Father and King of all Creation: The one true God, Yahweh of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Hebraic roots and foundation of the Christian faith. Besides, ‘Jesus’ was called by his Jewish mother, Yeshua.

 

Martin Luther: “The Jews and their Lies” was my first exposed revelation into my journey of faith. I've traced back into the Hebraic roots. It’s mind-boggling and a shock to me that one of the founding fathers, German Martin Luther of the Christian faith spoke in such a way he authored his book.

 

He, Luther, targeted the Jewish family line of the House of King David of the Jewish Messiah, called , Yeshua, in Greek Iesus, and English, Jesus the Messiah, Christ.

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/martin-luther-quot-the-jews-and-their-lies-quot

 

 

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Martin Luther said some horrible things towards the Jews out of his frustration. When his efforts at conversion failed, he grew increasingly bitter toward them.

 

On the topic of Replacement Theology, there's a difference between Covenant and Replacement Theology.

 

If anyone wants to understand the Covenant perspective of Israel:

 

The true Israel of the Old Testament became the nucleus of the true church on the day of Pentecost. Here the analogy of the olive tree that Paul uses in Romans 11 is instructive. The tree represents the covenant people of God—Israel. Paul compares unbelieving Israel to branches that have been broken off from the olive tree (v. 17a). Believing Gentiles are compared to branches from a wild olive tree that have been grafted in to the cultivated olive tree (vv. 17b–19). The important point to notice is that God does not cut the old tree down and plant a new one (replacement theology). Neither does God plant a second new tree alongside the old tree and then graft branches from the old tree into the new tree (traditional dispensationalism). Instead, the same tree exists across the divide between Old and New Testaments. That which remains after the dead branches are removed is the true Israel. Gentile believers are now grafted into this already existing old tree (true Israel/the true church). There is only one good olive tree, and the same olive tree exists across the covenantal divide.

  1. https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...-new-testament
  2. https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...d-not-replaced

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Thank you, William. I guess that temper and hatred of the Jews had a devastating effect and influence over a powerful man, Adolf Hitler. Luther had laid the foundation for Hitler's holocaust.

 

*Olsen, Daphne M., "Luther and Hitler: A Linear Connection between Martin Luther and Adolf Hitler’s Anti-Semitism with a Nationalistic Foundation" (2012). Master of Liberal Studies Theses. 20.

http://scholarship.rollins.edu/mls/20 *

 

The Consequences of Misunderstanding Hebrews 8

“Then the LORD your G-d will bring you to the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. And the LORD your G-d will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live. Also the LORD your G-d will put all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. And you will again obey the voice of HaShem and
do all His commandments which I command you today
."

Deuteronomy 30:5-8

 

"Replacement Theology" There are many problems with this line of thinking, not the least lest of which that Hebrews (8 ) is teaching.

If I were to study Scripture, like the Bereans, I'd study and learn it diligently through the Hebraic lens.

 

 

Thank you for the sharing of your thoughts.

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Luther had laid the foundation for Hitler's holocaust.

 

Personally, I think it a stretch to actually suggest that Luther's frustration can be equated to the ground work for Hitler. Luther became very upset upon learning that Jews were beginning to attempt to convert Christians. Luther used brutal speech not only towards Jewish people but also Catholics. Often people forget that men were men back in those days, and Luther responded in such fashion, often provoked by opposition using the same language. Most often when Luther is quoted people only hear the one side of things and see it through today's millennial lens. There is no excuse for such hateful speech, but I think we have to take what he says in historical context. Any more though and I'd be largely speaking above my knowledge of the book in question, because I have only read clips of it on occasion.

 

Back to Hitler, if I remember right, Hitler considered Christians a major threat to his power. And murdered or muted them from preaching a counter message from Scripture. Scripture of course was replaced by his own Bible. A couple of things important to point out is Hitler was anti-Catholic, and only used Christianity to aide him in his rise to power. Many people attempt to argue or claim that Hitler was Christian. I do not know if he ever took upon himself such a label but his actions of course were contrary to such claim. Hitler rewrote the Bible, and replaced God and His chosen people with his own version. Hitler no doubt committed Blasphemy and Idolatry. That's far beyond what anyone could ever infer from Luther's anger and frustration:

 

In 1941, the Institute was involved in producing Germans with God: a German Catechism.5 “It omitted traditional doctrinal positions regarding miracles, virgin birth, incarnation, resurrection, and so forth, in favor of positioning Jesus as a human being who struggled on behalf of God and died not only as a martyr, but also a ‘victor’ on the cross, despite being a victim of the Jews” (pp. 126–27).

 

It (not the ‘Nazi Bible’, as has been reported) contained 12 revised Commandments in place of the OT ten:

  1. Honor God and believe in him wholeheartedly.
  2. Seek out the peace of God.
  3. Avoid all hypocrisy.
  4. Holy is your health and life.
  5. Holy is your well-being and honor.
  6. Holy is your truth and fidelity.
  7. Honor your father and mother—your children are your aid and your example.
  8. Keep the blood pure and the marriage holy.
  9. Maintain and multiply the heritage of your forefathers.
  10. Be ready to help and forgive.
  11. Honor your Führer and master.
  12. Joyously serve the people with work and sacrifice.

The Institute’s perverse attempt to marry Christianity to Nazism was not reciprocated by the Nazis.

 

Perhaps divine prohibitions of murder, theft, and covetousness were deemed inappropriate for a ‘survival-of-the-fittest’ ideology that was instrumental in the then ongoing pillage of Europe. Source: http://creation.com/hitler-bible

 

God bless,

William

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I do not think we can lay Hitler's weltanschauung primally at Luther's feel. There were a number philosophies and events which lead to his views, some no doubt personal. Like so many others before and after him, Hitler's cherry picked from the teachings of many influences. For example Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, Immanuel Kant, Ernst Haeckel, Johann Gottlieb Fichte, and Arthur Schopenhauer etc.

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I do not think we can lay Hitler's weltanschauung primally at Luther's feel. There were a number philosophies and events which lead to his views, some no doubt personal. Like so many others before and after him, Hitler's cherry picked from the teachings of many influences. For example Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, Immanuel Kant, Ernst Haeckel, Johann Gottlieb Fichte, and Arthur Schopenhauer etc.

 

If you read the excerpt of Martin Luther's book (1500s), "The Jews and their Lies", you'd almost choke in tears at his anti-semitism and hatred of our physical Jewish brothers and sisters.

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If you read the excerpt of Martin Luther's book (1500s), "The Jews and their Lies", you'd almost choke in tears at his anti-semitism and hatred of our physical Jewish brothers and sisters.

 

Without being insensitive, how are unbelieving Jews my brothers and sisters? I'm curious about your own personal thoughts. What does true Israel have to do with some geographical lines drawn in the sand by the U.N.?

 

Is there a difference between an unbelieving Jew that converts others to another religion and an infidel?

 

And just to emphasize the point, I am not defending Luther.

 

God bless,

William

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Without being insensitive, how are unbelieving Jews my brothers and sisters? I'm curious about your own personal thoughts. What does true Israel have to do with some geographical lines drawn in the sand by the U.N.?

 

Is there a difference between an unbelieving Jew that converts others to another religion and an infidel?

 

And just to emphasize the point, I am not defending Luther.

 

God bless,

William

 

Just like any 'unbelieving of Yahweh (God)' Jew, there are unbelieving-God non-Jews. Unless, we Gentiles and Jews, come to faith in the Jewish Messiah (Gr.-Latin Iesus, Jesus) who has come to bless the earth. The LORD Adonai said, "Through you Abraham, I will bless all the families of the earth."

 

I think you can answer your own question with Jewish Jesus' words our Jewish brother Matthew's account of the Good News (Gospel): "For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50.

 

About an "unbelieving Jew that converts others to another religion and an infidel." -- God commanded Israel, "Hear, Israel: The LORD God, the LORD is One. You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. Let these words that I'm commanding you today be always in your heart." So, in the Hebraic perspective, Almighty God is only ONE. God-believing-God-fearing Jew would never disobey His command and statute by "converting" anyone to "other gods before Me"

 

"Infidel" is a term only used by Islam and radicalized Muslim religion. The extremists behead or annihilate infidels outside of their religion.

 

Big difference.

 

God bless,

Sister in Messiah (Christ)

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G'morning PsalmOneCares,

 

Just like any 'unbelieving of Yahweh (God)' Jew, there are unbelieving-God non-Jews.

 

I am referring to those that reject the Triune God as unbelievers.

 

About an "unbelieving Jew that converts others to another religion and an infidel." -- God commanded Israel, "Hear, Israel: The LORD God, the LORD is One. You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. Let these words that I'm commanding you today be always in your heart." So, in the Hebraic perspective, Almighty God is only ONE. God-believing-God-fearing Jew would never disobey His command and statute by "converting" anyone to "other gods before Me"

 

I see it all the time. People reject the Trinity. Group A , for example, acknowledges the Father, yet rejects the Son, and may or may not the Holy Spirit.

 

Exactly how are you defining Jew? My response was to a purely physical descent.

  • Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

From a Trinitrarian perspective, rejecting the Trinity is rejecting God. Like Abraham, the faithful saints looked towards Jesus' day and rejoiced.

  • John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”
  • 1 John 2:23 For those who reject the Son reject also the Father; those who accept the Son have the Father also.

"Infidel" is a term only used by Islam and radicalized Muslim religion. The extremists behead or annihilate infidels outside of their religion.

 

The rejection of the Trinity doctrine has led to comparisons between nontrinitarian theology Judaism and Islam.

 

God bless,

William

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Just like any 'unbelieving of Yahweh (God)' Jew, there are unbelieving-God non-Jews. Unless, we Gentiles and Jews, come to faith in the Jewish Messiah (Gr.-Latin Iesus, Jesus) who has come to bless the earth. The LORD Adonai said, "Through you Abraham, I will bless all the families of the earth."
And God did through Christ Jesus, however, one's relationship with the Father is defined by the relationship they have with Christ.

 

Jesus[/i]' words our Jewish brother Matthew's account of the Good News (Gospel): "For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven' date=' he is my brother, and sister, and mother[/i']." Matthew 12:50.
And is not the will of the Father for the Jews accept Christ Jesus?
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What does true Israel have to do with some geographical lines drawn in the sand by the U.N.?

If you read Romans 9-11 you will find that Israel has temporarily been set aside because they rejected their Messiah and at the present time the Church is the true Israel but God is planning to restore Israel to its former position.

 

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

 

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,

he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

“and this will be my covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”

Romans 11:25-27 ESV

 

The establishment of the nation of Israel is a sign that the time for this to happen is near.

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If you read Romans 9-11 you will find that Israel has temporarily been set aside because they rejected their Messiah and at the present time the Church is the true Israel but God is planning to restore Israel to its former position.

 

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

 

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,

he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

“and this will be my covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”

Romans 11:25-27 ESV

 

In Romans 11:26, "All Israel" can mean "all (spiritual Israel)", that is, all elect persons, both Jew and Gentile. Alternatively, it may mean "all" Israel in the sense of a remnant of "all Jews destined to be saved throughout history".

 

The establishment of the nation of Israel is a sign that the time for this to happen is near.

 

Or a counterfeiter is at work, John Chapter 8.

 

God bless,

William

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Exactly how are you defining Jew? My response was to a purely physical descent.

  • Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

I have mentioned in one of my comments the "physical Jew" Jews or Hebrews. The covenantal Jews. God the Father spoke to the living Hebrew Abraham, "I will bless those who bless you. I will curse those who curse you." Also to continue, "Through you, Abraham, I will bless all the families of the earth." Of course, God Almighty kept His promise. He sent a Messiah. A "son" in the line of King David, a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Son whom He manifested in the flesh and spoke of the "Kingdom of God is nigh and repent (turn back to God)" So that the people could hear Him and understand Him the message of turning back to Him through Yeshua (Jesus), He "will bless all the families of the earth." We get the picture.

 

Therefore,I am defining "Jew" as one whom our Saviour and Messiah descended from. Do you agree that 'Yeshua', which his mother called him in his Hebrew name, was a Jew and His Jewishness was never erased?

 

On Galatians 3:28-29, is indeed a precious concept as we take it as it is. Praise God! Paul's rule for all Churches in 1 Corinthians 7:17-18, meaning, in Messiah, Jews and Gentile are one but not the same. As regards to salvation and our standing in the Messiah, there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. As the Apostle Peter declared, "He made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith (Acts 15:9). Jews, Gentiles, men, women, slaves, and freemen have the same access to salvation through the Messiah, but that does not eliminate our distinct identiies and roles.

 

 

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Therefore,I am defining "Jew" as one whom our Saviour and Messiah descended from. Do you agree that 'Yeshua', which his mother called him in his Hebrew name, was a Jew and His Jewishness was never erased?

 

I agree. Just to emphasize:

  • Galatians 3:15-18 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

The Samaritans were like today's Jews which have rejected Christ. I am inferring from the fact that the Samaritans had not a completed Old Testament. They were limited with only Five books of Moses. Much to the same disadvantage are those that reject the New Testament.

  • John 4:22 states You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

I also agree with your last comments. Revelation 7:9-10

  • After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
  • and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”10

A reiterated point made from John 3:16

  • “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

The Elect are from Every Tribe, Tongue, and Nation without distinction (World). Of course there is ethnicity, there are different tribes which speak in different tongues located in different nations. From whom God chooses without distinction. Of course this does not mean all men without exception, John 3:18 clarifies.

  • Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Of course, I see no exception written which would state, "unless you're an ethnic Jew, this does not apply". True/Spiritual Israel is made up of believing Jews as well as believing Gentiles from which no distinction is made for salvation.

 

God bless,

William

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Thank you. Nevertheless, God's command to us those who can read, see and understand His heart in Isaiah 40:1-2 to this day still stands: " 'Comfort, comfort my people,' " says your God. 'Speak tenderly to Jerusalem; and call out to her thatnher warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.' "

 

 

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I had admired this great man of the Christian faith. In my long-standing walk with the fundamental beliefs in the last ten years out of 35 years of conversion to Christ, I had known the Christian tradition and practice in the best I knew how in what we were taught: Replacement Theology, for instance.

 

Being within the tutelage of the fundamental Independent Baptist teachings, I realized that the Jesus I was following and loved became such an interesting study, that I've begun to reason within my heart and spirit. Don't get wrong. I have not become 'heathen' as an IB pastor would brand me, 'rebellious'.

 

As I grow older, I searched with Philip Yancy's revealing book, "The Jesus I Never Knew". He helped me name and logically address (no guilt feelings) my longing about knowing more whom I was following, have entrusted my life to, and whom I asked to save me. Who is He—this Jesus? Why am I using the words in my vocabulary, “Be holy for I am holy” so often that I have become redundant and tiring to my younger listeners?

 

Thankfully, my journey ventured deeper farther back in history: past the 16th century medieval era. Past the Reformation time of Martin Luther or John Calvin. Even past the Apostolic fathers-- Ignatius and Polycarp. Past Iraneus and Clement, Augustine, Tertullian. I’ve had an encyclopaedia of all of these people. They all had in common with their protege, Martin Luther.

 

I simply found home in the farthest back to the Father and King of all Creation: The one true God, Yahweh of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Hebraic roots and foundation of the Christian faith. Besides, ‘Jesus’ was called by his Jewish mother, Yeshua.

 

Martin Luther: “The Jews and their Lies” was my first exposed revelation into my journey of faith. I've traced back into the Hebraic roots. It’s mind-boggling and a shock to me that one of the founding fathers, German Martin Luther of the Christian faith spoke in such a way he authored his book.

 

He, Luther, targeted the Jewish family line of the House of King David of the Jewish Messiah, called , Yeshua, in Greek Iesus, and English, Jesus the Messiah, Christ.

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...heir-lies-quot

 

 

Oh Please...not this half-truth again.

 

I am a convert from Orthodox Judaism, and a Lutheran Pastor. Thus, I think I am a bit of an expert on this very topic, as I had to struggle with it for a long time.

 

For a start, let me fill you in on a little secret- find me just ONE Christian teacher from the 16th C who was especially kind to the Jews or Judaism. Just one. OK, let me save you some time, there aren't any, other than one- Martin Luther. Luther was a man of his time, born into a Church that had no love for the Jews or Judaism- and he actually wrote works in praise of the Jews! Bet your "Hebrew Roots" teacher didn't tell you that one, did he/she? Yes, go and search for a copy of "Jesus was born a Jew" and you'll soon see that it goes against the grain of every other Christian teacher of that time. Luther was bold enough to praise the Jewishness of Jesus at a time when the Church was still praying anti-semitic prayers every Easter Vigil. Did you know Luther was good friends with the Jews in his neighborhood? He discussed Hebrew with them too. His works are filled with praise for their language and culture, but not their doctrine.

 

But as time went on, things changed for Luther. Conflict with the Emperor and the Catholics heated up the political and religious landscape. This led to an incident that few know about. Enter Anton Margaritha- son of a rabbi and Jewish convert to the Evangelical (Lutheran) faith. He writes the infamous book Der gantze Jüdisch Glaub (The Whole Jewish Belief) in which he pretty much calls out the Jewish religion as blasphemous and anti-Christian. He sent a copy to Luther and I believe it's pretty clear that it influenced Luther (this is what happens when converts play the "I can teach you about Judaism and the Bible because I'm Jewish card" on Christians but really know nothing about Judaism themselves- I'm looking at you, TorahResource, First Fruits of Zion etc). So, a Jewish convert led Martin Luther astray regarding the Jews. However, the Jews didn't put up with this slander and managed to get Margaritha thrown in jail and eventually exiled from the Kingdom. It's most likely Luther saw this as a further attack on the Reformation by both the Jews and the Romans and the result is "The Jews and their lies"- the retaliation of an aging and war-weary Luther.

 

It's a complete 180 backflip on the earlier works of Luther. It is largely against the Jewish religion, but is clearly out-of-line and unsanctified when it comes to the Jewish people. It is clearly anti-semitic on certain points. However- it's not his last word on the Jews. I bet your Hebrew Roots teachers aren't telling you that either. In Luther's last sermon, he pleaded with Christians to treat the Jews with Christian charity (be careful to find the correct translation of this if you are going to try to find it- there's lots of apocryphal stuff out there). It was clear that God was not finished with Luther's heart, and that is something every person should desire.

 

But I will say this - Lutherans do not follow Martin Luther. Our Confessions are penned by many authors, and the source is the Holy Bible. Plus, Lutheran doctrine seeks to be that of the first Christians, but this claim is backed up, not left as a mere assertion. We back up our claims. On the other hand, Hebrew roots teachers are false teachers. They claim to be like the first Christians, yet the evidence clearly demonstrates that they are in fact like the first heretics. They are confused about the mitzvahs (mitzvot- laws) of Israel, they are confused about both the Old and the New Testaments and they are guilty of making light of God's holy word by their over-the-top "Hebraic" cosplay. They seek an authority to teach that they have not received. This is sinful.

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Thank you, William. I guess that temper and hatred of the Jews had a devastating effect and influence over a powerful man, Adolf Hitler. Luther had laid the foundation for Hitler's holocaust.

 

You've got to be joking. The whole world is anti-semitic. Hitler used Luther as a convenient tool on an complicit populace who were already prejudiced against the Jews. If you think Luther was the first German anti-semite, or the most influential, then you've got a lot to learn about European history.

 

The foundation for Hitler's holocaust happened way before Luther was born. In fact, a lot of Jews I know blame the Apostles. Some state that Jesus turned John into a self-hating Jew, as John is clearly the most "anti-semitic". Or perhaps the Prophet Ezekiel- his words against Israel- in particular Jerusalem- are pretty rough.

 

Just face it, anti-semitism is part of world history, and Luther was born into it.

 

"Replacement Theology" There are many problems with this line of thinking, not the least lest of which that Hebrews (8 ) is teaching.

If I were to study Scripture, like the Bereans, I'd study and learn it diligently through the Hebraic lens.

 

http://www.bereansonline.org/

 

Thank you for the sharing of your thoughts.

 

Did you seriously just link to Bereans Online??? Those people are meshuggah (crazy)! They claim to be hasidic and to have a Torah understanding of Orthodox Judaism- yet they are also Calvinist. That's absolutely ludicrous. They wouldn't know frum if they had shabbos with the Satmar Rebbe. (translation: they wouldn't know Torah observant hasidic/orthodox Judaism if they had a Friday night dinner with the chief rabbi of the Satmar sect)

 

No one believes in Replacement theology as taught by Hebrew Roots bozos. They've invented a red herring and straw-man theology used to entice people to leave Christianity and their own Christian roots.

 

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Martin Luther a Racist Anti-Semite? - Q&A RC Sproul & Voddie Baucham

 

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Martin Luther a Racist Anti-Semite? - Q&A RC Sproul & Voddie Baucham

 

 

Good words. I usually don't go down the "Jewish bankers" path because I don't know much about that side of it- other than it is the most cited reason behind Luther's rant. But I would add that apparently Luther wanted the government to set up a kind of public purse, and the Elector of Saxony approached the banks to lower the usury rate to help the poor, and they refused. That certainly would have negatively influenced the scenario.

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Oh Please...not this half-truth again.

 

I am a convert from Orthodox Judaism, and a Lutheran Pastor. Thus, I think I am a bit of an expert on this very topic, as I had to struggle with it for a long time.

 

For a start, let me fill you in on a little secret- find me just ONE Christian teacher from the 16th C who was especially kind to the Jews or Judaism. Just one. OK, let me save you some time, there aren't any, other than one- Martin Luther. Luther was a man of his time, born into a Church that had no love for the Jews or Judaism- and he actually wrote works in praise of the Jews! Bet your "Hebrew Roots" teacher didn't tell you that one, did he/she? Yes, go and search for a copy of "Jesus was born a Jew" and you'll soon see that it goes against the grain of every other Christian teacher of that time. Luther was bold enough to praise the Jewishness of Jesus at a time when the Church was still praying anti-semitic prayers every Easter Vigil. Did you know Luther was good friends with the Jews in his neighborhood? He discussed Hebrew with them too. His works are filled with praise for their language and culture, but not their doctrine.

 

But as time went on, things changed for Luther. Conflict with the Emperor and the Catholics heated up the political and religious landscape. This led to an incident that few know about. Enter Anton Margaritha- son of a rabbi and Jewish convert to the Evangelical (Lutheran) faith. He writes the infamous book Der gantze Jüdisch Glaub (The Whole Jewish Belief) in which he pretty much calls out the Jewish religion as blasphemous and anti-Christian. He sent a copy to Luther and I believe it's pretty clear that it influenced Luther (this is what happens when converts play the "I can teach you about Judaism and the Bible because I'm Jewish card" on Christians but really know nothing about Judaism themselves- I'm looking at you, TorahResource, First Fruits of Zion etc). So, a Jewish convert led Martin Luther astray regarding the Jews. However, the Jews didn't put up with this slander and managed to get Margaritha thrown in jail and eventually exiled from the Kingdom. It's most likely Luther saw this as a further attack on the Reformation by both the Jews and the Romans and the result is "The Jews and their lies"- the retaliation of an aging and war-weary Luther.

 

It's a complete 180 backflip on the earlier works of Luther. It is largely against the Jewish religion, but is clearly out-of-line and unsanctified when it comes to the Jewish people. It is clearly anti-semitic on certain points. However- it's not his last word on the Jews. I bet your Hebrew Roots teachers aren't telling you that either. In Luther's last sermon, he pleaded with Christians to treat the Jews with Christian charity (be careful to find the correct translation of this if you are going to try to find it- there's lots of apocryphal stuff out there). It was clear that God was not finished with Luther's heart, and that is something every person should desire.

 

But I will say this - Lutherans do not follow Martin Luther. Our Confessions are penned by many authors, and the source is the Holy Bible. Plus, Lutheran doctrine seeks to be that of the first Christians, but this claim is backed up, not left as a mere assertion. We back up our claims. On the other hand, Hebrew roots teachers are false teachers. They claim to be like the first Christians, yet the evidence clearly demonstrates that they are in fact like the first heretics. They are confused about the mitzvahs (mitzvot- laws) of Israel, they are confused about both the Old and the New Testaments and they are guilty of making light of God's holy word by their over-the-top "Hebraic" cosplay. They seek an authority to teach that they have not received. This is sinful.

 

Thanks for the input. regarding treatment/attitudes in the 16th C toward the Jews or Judaism, you must be familiar with James Swan who has a series on Popes and the Jews, and The Popes Against the Jews by David Kertzer. Which sources I have posted in response to Catholics who attack Luther for his anti-Judaism (described as anti-antisemitism). Moses himself was provoked to speak unadvisedly with his lips, as I have also, but there is no real excuse for it. I think some of the charges were likely true, and as a culture the Jews may have had a self righteous attitude that looked down on others, and overall made themselves easy to be scorned. But such is the test of Christian love. But about my attitude toward Liberals...

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Thanks for the input. regarding treatment/attitudes in the 16th C toward the Jews or Judaism, you must be familiar with James Swan who has a series on Popes and the Jews, and The Popes Against the Jews by David Kertzer. Which sources I have posted in response to Catholics who attack Luther for his anti-Judaism (described as anti-antisemitism). Moses himself was provoked to speak unadvisedly with his lips, as I have also, but there is no real excuse for it. I think some of the charges were likely true, and as a culture the Jews may have had a self righteous attitude that looked down on others, and overall made themselves easy to be scorned. But such is the test of Christian love. But about my attitude toward Liberals...

 

Thanks for the clarification, but did Luther address Jews any differently than Catholics?

 

In today's Politically Correct atmosphere, Trump was a breath of fresh air. So many people were thinking but dared not express what came out of the man's mouth. To say the least, his tongue is unbridled. I have to admit that I still think Luther's and Calvin's approach has a place today. Just emphasizing that one could build a case where God used Satire and even Mocking to convey His message. When I read from people such as Luther and Calvin I am often reminded of our cultural differences in a time when we are moderated by millennial snowflakes. The very first work I read from Calvin contained wording where he consistently referred to "that dead dog". It wasn't until reading some other sources that I had learned someone mentioned Calvin by name in their works, and Calvin refused to give "that dead dog" any credit in his own works. That kinda thing doesn't fly today. Likewise, Luther was known for confronting people in a language less than befitting the delicate nature of snowflakedom. I mean has the OP read any of the other works of Luther or even other Reformers such as Calvin? Needlessly said, I imagine these men stood with feet planted firmly, arms that were open to insult, but closed with a fist. Dare slap them across the face. They may turn the cheek to insult but I wouldn't want to put them to the test. Like all men they too were sinners.

 

I still get a laugh out of this site: The Luther Insulter

 

God bless,

William

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Thanks for the clarification, but did Luther address Jews any differently than Catholics?

 

In today's Politically Correct atmosphere, Trump was a breath of fresh air. So many people were thinking but dared not express what came out of the man's mouth. To say the least, his tongue is unbridled. I have to admit that I still think Luther's and Calvin's approach has a place today. Just emphasizing that one could build a case where God used Satire and even Mocking to covey His message. When I read from people such as Luther and Calvin I am often reminded of our cultural differences in a time when we are moderated by millennial snowflakes. The very first work I read from Calvin contained wording where he consistently referred to "that dead dog". It wasn't until reading some other sources that I had learned someone mentioned Calvin by name in their works, and Calvin refused to give "that dead dog" any credit in his own works. That kinda thing doesn't fly today. Likewise, Luther was known for confronting people in a language less than befitting the delicate nature of snowflakedom. I mean has the OP read any of the other works of Luther or even other Reformers such as Calvin? Needlessly said, I imagine these men stood with feet planted firmly, arms that were open to insult, but closed with a fist. Dare slap them across the face. They may turn the cheek to insult but I wouldn't want to put them to the test. Like all men they too were sinners.

 

I still get a laugh out of this site: The Luther Insulter

 

God bless,

William

Thanks for the clarification, but did Luther address Jews any differently than Catholics?

 

I think that must be a rhetorical question. And yes, there is a vast difference btwn the rowdy rhetoric of the 16th C. and the other extreme, that of liberal snowflake society, which is most manifest on colleges*, but which hypersensitivity to anything possibly offensive to culture, etc. is a one way street, as it is in liberal politics, in which conservatives are not sheltered from offensive language or treatment, but are objects of it.

 

And which snowflakedom extends to Christian (in name anyway) forums. For over 10 years (by the grace of God) I have been an very active debater on http://www.freerepublic.com, with hardly even being cited for an offense amidst thousands of posts, and whose rules and mods for the religion forum are overall reasonable. But I have also been on https://www.christianforums.com for about a year, and which has mostly liberal members, and many many rules, and overprotective ecumenical mods who protects Catholics while, among other things allowing a traditional RC to deny salvation to ex-Catholics.

 

The refusal to bow before the politically correct flag did get Trump some votes, while there must be wisdom as well. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: (James 1:19)

 

*Students Confess Their Sins At 'Masculinity Confession Booth'

 

3/29/2017, 5:54:47 PM · by Zakeet · 64 replies Daily Caller ^ | March 27, 2017 | Rob Shimshock

 

A university will be hosting a "Masculinity Confession Booth" along with a number of other workshops and screenings to combat "hypermasculinity."...“We have all reinforced hypermasculinity one way or another regardless of our gender!!” explains the University of Regina event description. “Come and share your sins so we can begin to discuss how to identify and change our ways !!!”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You've got to be joking. The whole world is anti-semitic. Hitler used Luther as a convenient tool on an complicit populace who were already prejudiced against the Jews. If you think Luther was the first German anti-semite, or the most influential, then you've got a lot to learn about European history.

 

The foundation for Hitler's holocaust happened way before Luther was born. In fact, a lot of Jews I know blame the Apostles. Some state that Jesus turned John into a self-hating Jew, as John is clearly the most "anti-semitic". Or perhaps the Prophet Ezekiel- his words against Israel- in particular Jerusalem- are pretty rough.

 

Just face it, anti-semitism is part of world history, and Luther was born into it.

 

 

 

Did you seriously just link to Bereans Online??? Those people are meshuggah (crazy)! They claim to be hasidic and to have a Torah understanding of Orthodox Judaism- yet they are also Calvinist. That's absolutely ludicrous. They wouldn't know frum if they had shabbos with the Satmar Rebbe. (translation: they wouldn't know Torah observant hasidic/orthodox Judaism if they had a Friday night dinner with the chief rabbi of the Satmar sect)

 

No one believes in Replacement theology as taught by Hebrew Roots bozos. They've invented a red herring and straw-man theology used to entice people to leave Christianity and their own Christian roots.

 

No, I'm not joking. And neither was Hitler when he agreed with Jerusalem's grand mufti at the time. I never think that Luther was the first Jew-hater. Btw, I'm not anti-semetic. I love the Jews and Israel. I'm sure, there are millions of us that love our Hebraic brothers and sisters in the faith and politically-- through our Jewish messiah, 'Jesus', whom his mother called him, Yeshua. Mary (Miriam) never spoke Greek.

 

Yes, the link, Bereansonline, is for everyone to investigate for themselves and drive their own conclusion.

 

Your ad hominem ' Hebrew roorts bozos' attacks have no fact basis and evidence. Just your bozoic opinion and hateful presumptious ideas. But that's okay, you're entitled to them. You need to research and study more. That's all.

 

Ezekiel grieved for Israel (not 'hated the Jews' at the time because they had forgotten the Yahweh of their father Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- whom God had promised, " I will bless all the families of the earth through you, Abraham."

 

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You know it is funny. When I first got saved, I thought "Jesus was a Jew, so I guess being Jewish must be sort of special."

As time has gone on, my opinions have changed.

 

First, the Bible teaches that there is a BIG difference between sharing a few genes with Abraham and being a Jew inwardly (Romans 2:28-29). That being true, the modern practitioners of Judaism are 'Jews outwardly' and the decendents of the Pharasees, teachers of the Law, Circumcision Party and all of the other "whitewashed seplecurs" that Jesus and Paul warned us about. The true Jews, the Israel of God, became the Church in Jerusalem in Acts 2 and beyond.

 

The other thing I have observed is that the Jews that I meet are not even from Israel. Most are from either Brooklyn or Long Island in New York. Now I do know a handful of people of Jewish decent, raised in Judiaism who converted to Christianity as adults. They know a lot of interesting things about the Old Testament and I like chatting with them about things like the traditional passover meal. However, I tend to view them as Christian, not Jewish.

 

I had a friend growing up (Britan Leland Joseph Slocum) whose parents were born in Estonia, so I once looked up where Estonia was on a map. That is the extent of my knowledge and opinion on Estonia and the people of Estonia. Largely harmless indifference ... live and let live. I now hold the modern Nation of Israel in largely the same position. They do not behead people for reading Bibles or not wearing a headscarf, so I tend to favor Israel over its neighbors. However, it is probably not my job to worry about the branches that God cut off more than the branches waiting to hear the Good News and be grafted on.

 

In conclusion, like Anglophiles and their irrational adoration for the British Monarchy (when they live in the United States of America), I think much of the Church is a bit overimpressed with the branches that God discarded. They are people, like any other. No more and no less. Saying words in pigeon Hebrew does not make us more spiritual.

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You know it is funny. When I first got saved, I thought "Jesus was a Jew, so I guess being Jewish must be sort of special."

As time has gone on, my opinions have changed.

Congratulations on your new-found faith in the Jewish Messiah, meaning, salvation. (Christ). Perhaps, the Pentecostal teachings have changed your mind about 'Jesus' lineage?

 

The other thing I have observed is that the Jews that I meet are not even from Israel. Most are from either Brooklyn or Long Island in New York. Now I do know a handful of people of Jewish decent, raised in Judiaism who converted to Christianity as adults. They know a lot of interesting things about the Old Testament and I like chatting with them about things like the traditional passover meal. However, I tend to view them as Christian, not Jewish.

 

Christian friends (Bible students) of mine who studied in later years the Hebraic Scripture (Torah). They were missionaries for 7 years in Pakistan. Anyway, they said that in the perspective of the Arabs in the entire Middle East that all the people outside of Middle Eastern world that are not Muslim or Islam are Christians ( religious or not). Among the religious Jews, they percieve Gentile Christians are the result of our coming to Judeo-Christian faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob through the Jewish Messiah, in Latinized Greek name 'Christ.'

 

Therefore, we Christians are a part of God's majestic plan of redemption with Israel.

 

In conclusion, like Anglophiles and their irrational adoration for the British Monarchy (when they live in the United States of America), I think much of the Church is a bit overimpressed with the branches that God discarded. They are people, like any other. No more and no less. Saying words in pigeon Hebrew does not make us more spiritual.

 

Your analogy of the British monarchy with the Covenant people of God, the Jews, is a bit way off in comparison and in your conclusion, a generalization of both being the same.

 

I agree, though, that Jews are humans like us. That's why the Scripture is full of Hebrew records of their humanness, frailty and sinfulness--just like us. And the Bible does show how God deals with them--lovingly, slow to anger and mercifully and in truth. They are written for our learning and example.

 

Can't our learning, as being part of God's majestic plan of salvation with Israel be both spiritual and faith-with-action?

 

 

 

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