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The Difference Between Islam and Christianity In Our Culture

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This society is full of double-standards. A recent example is the Oscar's #OscarsSoWhite. If Oscar nominations were given out randomly to the California population, only 1 in 15 would go to blacks. Yet, everyone agrees with that the Oscars are "too white" (i.e. not enough blacks). The black Oscar host was making jokes at the Oscars at the Oscar's expense. The Oscar members were busy apologizing, promising they'll change things. More importantly, I don't know of any black actor who was robbed of a nomination. Then, consider the Supreme Court.

 

#SupremeCourtSoJewish. If Supreme Court seats were given out randomly to the US population, half the Supreme Court would be Protestant. But, there's not a single Protestant on the Court, and hasn't been for a long time. Currently, 3 of the Justice are Jewish. And, another one, with a heavily Jewish staff, always votes with the Jews, so let's say there are four Jews on the Supreme Court. Obama has just nominated another Jew, which would make five. Five is the number to decide verdicts. Five Jews would give Jews absolute domination of what has become the most powerful branch of government, overriding the will of the voters, the Congress, the states, and the President. What's more, those Liberal Jews aren't qualified because they don't uphold the Constitution -- they are hostile to the Constitution, our Christian faith, and our liberties.

 

Not only is #SupremeCourtSoJewish not trending, but anyone who sees that tag could condemn the tag, not the lack of diversity on the Supreme Court.

 

That cartoon cartoon avoids the whole truth. Muslims aren't sticking Bibles in toilets and calling it art. In their way, Muslims have respect for the Bible. In their own way, they have a lot of respect for "Jesus Christ." No Muslims in the court system is upholding a double standard of art/speech vs. hate crime concerning mockery of Islam vs. Christianity. Muslims in America don't make movies and TV shows that mock Christianity. No Muslim judges or legislators in America are making laws punishing Christians for practicing Christian values and speech.

 

That double standard in the cartoon does exist, but it's not Muslims responsible for it.

 

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No Muslim judges or legislators in America are making laws punishing Christians for practicing Christian values and speech. That double standard in the cartoon does exist, but it's not Muslims responsible for it.
I agree but I was not thinking of Muslims. I do not think that is the point of the cartoon. It is about our culture. When someone puts a Koran in the toilet or burns one it is consider hate speech. The outcry is enormous. I find such an act tasteless and wrongheaded. But when the same type of thing is done to an image of Christ, or the cross, or the Bible there is no outcry except from believers.
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But when the same type of thing is done to an image of Christ, or the cross, or the Bible there is no outcry except from believers.

 

Except from Believers? I think you give "Believers" too much credit.

 

 

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Except from Believers? I think you give "Believers" too much credit.
Maybe but really don't see any secular entities calling it a hate crime when the same time of thing is done to Christian symbols.

 

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The double standard exists because Christians hardly protest. And, they're more likely to contribute to the problem than object to the problem. E.g on the topic of Israel discriminating against Christians, multiple posters in this forum have defended Israel's double standard. On a post about a public bus company discriminating against advertising a Christian service to help pregnant women, a Christian poster here defended that discrimination. The reason for that cartoon isn't to express objection to double standards against Christians, but to object to the lack of tolerance for Islam bashing. To wit, if someone can put a crucifix in a jar of urine and call it art, why can't we be more insulting of Islam?

 

 

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The double standard exists because Christians hardly protest.
Agreed.

 

The reason for that cartoon isn't to express objection to double standards against Christians, but to object to the lack of tolerance for Islam bashing. To wit, if someone can put a crucifix in a jar of urine and call it art, why can't we be more insulting of Islam?
I do not see this cartoon in that context at all, but maybe that is the point. Edited by Origen

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E.g on the topic of Israel discriminating against Christians, multiple posters in this forum have defended Israel's double standard.

None of us have defended Israel's double standard. We have defended Israel's right to exist and the necessity of the United States helping it. All countries are made up of fallible and sinful humans so we can't expect any of them, including Israel, to be perfect.

 

On a post about a public bus company discriminating against advertising a Christian service to help pregnant women, a Christian poster here defended that discrimination.

If you are referring to the post I made on that subject, I was not defending discrimination because there was no evidence the bus company was discriminating. Did they allow pro abortion ads? No one ever answered that question and unless they did their refusal to run an antiabortion ad isn't proof of discrimination.

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None of us have defended Israel's double standard. We have defended Israel's right to exist and the necessity of the United States helping it. All countries are made up of fallible and sinful humans so we can't expect any of them, including Israel, to be perfect.

 

Regarding Nazi Germany "all countries are fallable... you can't expect them to be perfect." Right? You're still defending discrimination against Christians. Israel hates Christians, discriminates against Christians in practically everything, and treats Christian speech worse than pornography -- in spite of western Christians keeping Israel in existence. Another poster here in ubber-denial-of-reality, wakes up and lies to himself every day, denies Israel discriminates against Christians at all except in immigration and that they're reconsidering that. And, Liberal Jews on our Supreme Court, which are on the verge of being a majority, want to do for Christians in America what Israel does for Christians in Israel -- and no Christian in leadership is about to raise the issue of no Protestants or Evangelicals on the Supreme Court, because they'd get no support from the Christian community.

 

This is why the double standard in that OP cartoon exists, Christians make it a practice of ignoring and denying discrimination against them, except when Muslims are involved, and then it's really about "why can't we insult Muslims more?

 

If you are referring to the post I made on that subject, I was not defending discrimination because there was no evidence the bus company was discriminating. Did they allow pro abortion ads?

 

That's utterly naive. That government bus service never has and never would turn down a Planned Parenthood advertisement. And, if asked to explain, they'd just say, "Planned Parenthood doesn't just do abortions." Even if in fantasy land the bus service wouldn't allow PP ads, when both sides are banned, the truth still loses. (And, the Republican-lead congress still sends our tax dollars to PP; and requires insurance companies, even private Catholic insurance companies, to pay for abortions.)

 

In California, there's now a law that any organization, including Christian pro-life groups, serving pregnant women must provide abortion referrals (some Christians are fighting in the courts). Your brothers and sisters in Christ in California thank you for numbering yourself among their persecutors, for you have already defended, and repeated your defense of the government punishing groups that don't provide abortion referrals.

 

Even if there were a big-budget movie that sent the hero into a Christian church to slaughter all the Christians, for laughs, many Christians would hardly have an objection.

 

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Kingsman: The Secret Service. "The most unsettling scene takes place inside some form of Baptist church in rural southern America (a hateful, pro-life, racist church that seems to something of a stand-in for Westboro Baptist). Played for laughs" -- Review at Christian Answers dot Net

 

See, it's okay to have the hero of the movie mass murder Christians for laughs, if you first present the Christians as bigots. Maybe not okay, but no worse than "unsettling", and maybe it's unsettling bloody violence itself, or maybe a woman in the congregation showed some cleavage (that last one really is a common objection in Christian movie reviews), not because Christians are being killed for laughs. Given where many Christian stands, I wonder if the Devil ever feels unnecessary. No comments about "Hollywood's standard issue antichristian bigotry", no use the word "christophobia".

 

No movie would dare have blacks, Jews, or homosexuals killed for laughs. And, if they did, there would be a true outcry. I'm reminded again of what Jesus said, narrow is the way that leads to life and few will find it.

 

 

 

 

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I am Muslim. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Islam is a religion of peace. Isis is a terrorist organization. It has nothing to do with Islam. He does not represent Islam. Adam and Eve, our mother and our father. It heralds of the Gospel of Barnabas the last prophet. Please search my friend.

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It heralds of the Gospel of Barnabas the last prophet. Please search my friend.
The so-called Gospel of Barnabas is nothing more than a fake.

 

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your priests conceal the truth. Think carefully investigate the religion of Islam

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your priests conceal the truth. Think carefully investigate the religion of Islam
First, I don't have a priest. Second, to suggest without evidence others are lying is itself dishonest. Third, I follow academic research, evidence, and arguments based on facts. Fourth, there is zero evidence that it is anything but a fake. Edited by Origen

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Did he really say that there is a wave of conversions to Islam after each terrorist attack? Sounds so untrue but if lies are more true than the Truth, it has to be so. One person said that the core for conversions is that you do have a permission to hate when and if being a muslim. That's hard.

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your priests conceal the truth. Think carefully investigate the religion of Islam

 

Christians are a nation of priests. And, we examine God's word ourselves to see what is true. Okay, some Christians are not very good at that. And, some of us are led around by crooked pastors. But, at the end of the day, Jesus presented himself as more than just a prophet. What's more, the account of the crucifixion and resurrection is a perfect fulfillment of the law that called for sacrifice, Jesus the only truly flawless lamb. Jesus, the one who put an end to sacrifices at the Temple.

 

I know a lot of anti-Islam Koran quotes are taken out of context and there is a double standard how many Christians treat Muslims vs. other non-Christians, but the truth of God doesn't rest on what people do and say, it rests on what the word of God says.

 

Find yourself a good church, like an Orthodox Presbyterian Church or Presbyterian Church in America, visit it, talk to the pastor. Read the New Testament. See who Jesus really is, what he really taught.

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Did he really say that there is a wave of conversions to Islam after each terrorist attack? Sounds so untrue but if lies are more true than the Truth, it has to be so. One person said that the core for conversions is that you do have a permission to hate when and if being a muslim. That's hard.

I don't know whether the attacks lead to a wave of conversions to Islam but I have heard from several sources that many Muslims in the Middle East are becoming Christians. Here are just two of the many reports of this fact:

 

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2013/03/religious-change-in-the-middle-east

 

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Muslims2Christianity.htm

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Here's another interesting article today in my news stream:

 

When a classroom heard news of the horrific Brussels terrorist attack, the teacher immediately noticed something his Muslim students were doing that made his stomach churn. However, just four hours after he tweeted out what the teens were doing, he received a knock on his door.

 

Ivar Mol is a Dutch teacher who prides himself on instilling knowledge into his students, regardless of their background. However, soon after the recent attack on a Belgium airport and Metro, he noticed there is something particularly unique about his Muslim students.

 

While civilians were being slaughtered in Brussels, the Dutch teacher witnessed his Muslim students openly applauding and celebrating the carnage. In front of the entire class, the Islamic children laughed and praised the terrorist attack, as the rest of the non-Muslim students simply looked on in horror.

 

Mol quickly tweeted what was going on, asking, “How do you still teach when Muslim children in your class are applauding the attack?” He included the hashtags #aanslagen and #zaventem, two references to the Brussels attack.

 

Hours later, Mol tweeted that 3 police officers were waiting for him on his sidewalk and that he wasn’t sure if he should continue his activity on social media. He then revealed that he had received a call from Paul Depla, Mayor of Breda, oddly telling him that the police were not sent by his command. Mol added that the “story remains strange.”

 

Mol later slammed the police visit as a “terribly stupid action,” and he could not be more accurate. We have a terrorist attack just across the border from Netherlands, and a group of students practicing the same ideology as the terrorists lauding the onslaught, yet police are more concerned that a white European teacher is being “Islamophobic.”

 

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Here's the latest of another bombing, this is a regular occurrence in my news feed, however, it will not make the liberal news because.........

 

ISIS is claiming responsibility for a fresh attack today that has killed at least 29 and injured nearly 60 others, at a football stadium south of Baghdad.

 

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Here's another bombing. Today on Resurrection Sunday.

 

On this Easter Sunday, we have horrific news to report from Lahore, Pakistan. More than 65 people have been killed and more than 300 injured — mostly women and children — in a suicide bombing at a park today.

 

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I feel like that's the case for most minorities. Make fun of white people? Hilarious! Make fun of black people? That's just racist, what's wrong with you! It's an unfair system, and people in the minorities actually believe it to be just, that you can be racist as long as you are not white; you can make fun of other people's religion unless you're Catholic. It's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. Where's the equality??

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Oh my goodness, I remember that scene from Kingsman as well. What you said is true, whenever Muslims or Islam is being attacked, we are the bad people. But if it's Christianity, no one even comes to defend it. I cannot remember the number of times I've seen the bible or churches being ridiculed in movies or series. I must admit that at times, I didn't even think much of it. But I do know that this is disrespectful to our religion and to our God. It's sad though that these people who ridicule our religion, they're of the same denomination as us.

 

And then we have the Muslims who do nothing but respect their Koran and the teachings of it. And although they're titled as violent people, they're incredibly very obedient to the teachings of their Koran. Of course, there will always be extremists in any religion, which puts shame to it. However, we still cannot deny that there's not much insults or ridicules to the Muslim or the Koran as compared to the bible or to the Christians.

 

Sadly, our society gives so much respect to other religions but not so much to Christianity. I wish there's equality within this realm as well, much like there's gender equality laws and all that.

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There is a reason why one is avoid and the other isn't. Christians in American grew up with the expectation of free speech. So while it's offensive to put a bible in the toilet, the same law the allows this allows for Christians to speak freely about their faith without prosecutions. Which is why most Christians immigrants evacuated Europe because they were being hunted down and killed. This freedom of speech is a double edged sword but is ultimately fair. The problem with Muslims is that they don't respect our first Amendment or understand that nothing is free from personal expression, even the negative stuff. While I hate South Park, when they did the censored box of Muhammad, the artist received death threats. So it is impossible to say anything negative against the faith of Islam because they don't respect the first Amendment and fail to understand the depth of it. Then you add to the social justice warriors who want to make 'safe' spaces for everything and make the terrorist victims. The Islamic community isn't tolerant of anything that isn't like them and ultimately anti-American/Christian. What people fail to understand or appreciate that most Christians will just ignore you if you don't share their faith. The worse thing they will do is bribe you with coffee and donuts to come to a service and get converted, or slyly 'accidentally' leave a bible at your house. Not exactly dangerous if you compare all the death threats that Muslims are allowed to spew because social justice warriors have shoved them under the victim umbrella.

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Either of the religions can be used to hide one's identity. We try to blame other religions for making the world the worst place to live in. We all know that we worship one God but we can still divide ourselves across religion lines. Lately Muslims are being blamed for terrorism but not all Muslims are terrorists. Some Muslim blame Christians for wanting to dominate the world, which is not true.

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Lately Muslims are being blamed for terrorism but not all Muslims are terrorists.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but it appears that most of the terrorists in the world today are Muslims.

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