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  1. nolidad

    Is Christ & Jesus Interchangeable?

    Hi Marlin. Christ is a title Jesus is the anglicized name Jeshua or Jehoshua. For a long time it was Jesus THE Christ and over time the word THE was dropped! Christ is Christos which is the greek equivalent of the Hebrew mesiach or Messiah or anointed one! Hope this helps
  2. Well, now you do. Note that your comments are not evidence or even an argument but merely your subjective opinion. Hi William May be you need to know the definition of straw man: straw man ˌstrô ˈman/ noun 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. I am not intentionally setting up a false argument- I am baffled in that anyone who claims sola scriptura would believe the same thing as romanism, in these things! I was a RC and studied Catholic Doctrine. I know of their covenant theology and allegorical opinion concerning eschatology and Israelogy. I also know that most of the church holds to this view I am convinced is 100% wrong! What I do not know is why Bible believing Christians can hold that view! If to yuo, my wondering why someone holds something is a straw man, I cannot help that.
  3. Gladly: From the Jewish encyclopedia: DAY (Hebrew, "yom"): By: Emil G. Hirsch, Michael Friedländer In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; © the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath). If I want to know Jewish Customs- I ask Jews! that is why Jesus could die and be buried before Sunday Friday, rise before sunsup sunday and still be correct when He said three days and nights he would be in the heart of the earth! He was talking to His people in the language He and they understood!
  4. nolidad

    Denominationism

    Please elaborate, Lemme ask you something. Say your congregation under its leadership began to fall apostate. What is the process one should follow in order to "Reform" them? And at what point would you separate from the apostate body? Would you say that it is time to leave when believers are being disciplined for bringing the apostate body back to Scripture? Just curious as to how you view early catholic Protestant reformers. God bless, William Hi William! Perhaps I should have been more explicit! I used the words tried and true as a reference to Paul From 1 Cor. 11 17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. Because of the rise of the tares in the church- yes there are times we must pull away from a church that has gone apostate or heretical and the leadership will not return to the truth. Paul said it best- it is necessary but an evil nonetheless! As to the early reformers? Heroes of the faith all! Romanism was but an empty husk of Christendom (having a form of godliness but....)
  5. Well, now you do. Note that your comments are not evidence or even an argument but merely your subjective opinion. Yes it is my opinion! I know you do! But why when you declare you hold the Scriptures to be Gods INspired Infallible word and that its prophecy are not subject to personal opinion, you can hold to such counter things the Bible is so clear on?
  6. Your view suffers from at least two problems. First, you clearly don't know what allegorical interpretations is. While that in and of itself is a problem, either you do not understand Calvin or you have never read Calvin. Before I get to the point let me inform you I am not a Calvinist. I am, however, concerned with accuracy as I am sure you are well aware. Calvin did not accept allegorical interpretations. He makes this very clear. Calvin had an extreme dislike for allegorical interpretations. Thus your claims about Calvin are straw men and let me remind you this is coming from a non-Calvinist. There are only two choices. Accept what Calvin says on the matter or accept your straw man claims about Calvin. Hi William: Well as I do not hold to anyone school of thought I seek to not argue from a school of thought. Many believers have called me a mongrel christian in that while a pre- mil, pre trib dispensationalist, I am also a staunch 5 pointer. I Also believe the gifts of the spirit are still valid (though wildly misused and misunderstood) As for projecting- the very fact that I "apologized for my faulty memory" shows it was not an attempt at a straw man but a simple error. I thought I knew but my memory was mistaken. I bet it even happens to you! I understand the basics of most arguments. I also see that you anhd others do not even remotely seem to understand what dispensationalism is about. Based on who you quote from and the subtle insults used against dispensationalsim. You write: Stawman - yet again. Not at all- that is you assuming on me without verifying (what you accused me of) why I make that statement I am honestly baffled how people like yourself and Origen, who appear to be learned, can hold to no rapture, no literal physical kingdom on earth, no place for Israel in the future , when gods Word is thick with these!
  7. Yes isn't it! Isn't it also interesting He used the future tense and not the present progressive or past progressive. So it did not bear instruction- He was going to build something! He Did not say He was continuing to build something! Well as ekklesia is synonymous with synagogue it is no wonder. Generically it is simply a gathering. The Hebrew used assembly for describing the gathering of Israel. Ekklesia is not equivalent to theNT Church- you need to show that! Yes that is the mystery--In Christ! Now you need to show that the OT saints are in Christ and not just saints. It was only after Pentecost did Jew and Gentile become one body! You need to show empirical evidence that Paul reaches all the way back to Adam for this . Because it shows that Israel was punished but not set aside as a nation . Well Romans 11 Should be enough evidence! [h=1]Romans 11 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Also: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. From Matt. 23: 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. He say until- not unless From Jeremiah 31: 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. 35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: 36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. 37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord. 38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. 39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath. Do you need more verses? 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. 35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: 36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. 37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord. 38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. 39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath. In the church age yes! But the verses above and many others show God will save all Israel in the future! Not every Jew that ever lived but all Israel alive at the time! Well let us look at Gods inspired word again! [h=1]Acts 1 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. The Apostles had not received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit yet, they were all Jews, so yes they were thinking about the kingdom promised by God to Israel! Even after Pentecost the apostles did not fully understand the concept of the church until Paul! ! Cor. 12: 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked. 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Now if you can show that Old Testament believers were baptized by the Holy Spirit- you can gain a convert! but do so by Scripture!
  8. Yet isn't it interesting that he didn't have to explain what 'the church' was - later on in your post your going to talk about how Jesus had a perfect opportunity to explain something, but didn't (and your whole argument will rest on that point) here your claiming he is introducing something new and he does so without explanation - why? I would suggest because actually it isn't anything knew - he uses the term ἐκκλησίαν - now what, I wonder would a jew (somewhat familiar with the LXX) immediately make of that term? I wonder if maybe he might link it to the approximately 100 occurrences of that term in the OT. Take as one example: Deuteronomy 23:1 "He who is emasculated by crushing or mutilation shall not enter the assembly of the LORD. This one place where dispensational can be grateful to the Roman Catholic/ High Anglican influence on the KJV of the bible, where Bancroft forced terms like 'assembly' and 'congregation' to be replaced with 'church' - it would be much harder to support the distinction that you make between the OT people of God and those of the church today if he hadn't given you this word 'church' in my opinion. As for the future tense, I believe you are putting far too much on that argument, just think about it logically, how could Jesus build on a faith that had never been professed in this way prior to the this profession. The old testement believer were looking forward to the messiah - it is once he is recognised that he can begin to build on the faith that he is the Christ, the son of God. Do I have to point out that the 'mystery' is that the gentiles become fellow heirs of the same body - it seems so obvious to me that any attempt to separate believing Israel from the church is to flatly contradict what Paul is saying What is the relevance of this? Wow, there is a huge amount of assumption there, and it seems a lot of bible texts throne together - but on basis? Where does Paul 'repeatedly' say 'Israel as a nation has only been temporarily set aside to bring in the gentiles!' It certainly can't be Romans 11, you put a lot of weight on tenses and Romans 11 is present tense! Bingo - that is God's plan for Israel, that he will save a remnant as he promised. Ok - so Jesus can introduce a new concept, namely the church (see your argument above) without any explanation - but because he gave no explanation here it must mean that the disciples were speaking about national Israel and that Jesus will indeed return the kingdom to them one day because he didn't say anything contrary to that - I wonder if you can see the inconsistency here? Well have fun doing it Well you have posted lots, lets see if i can slog through!
  9. nolidad

    Denominationism

    Denominationalism is the result of the flesh of the believers creating schisms in the church! Paul addressed this in Corinthians. But also denominationalism was foretold by the Lord in the church age (mystery form of the kingdom) through the parables. It is an evil that God is using to show the tried and true! Every denomination is very imperfect (some more than others). The worse is that we will air our dirty family laundry for the world to see! This does great harm to the cause of Christ! I remember when I worked in the big postal sorting facility (before becoming a letter carrier). I was privileged to start a prayer group of believers. We met twice a week on our lunch break and simply prayed for co-workers, our churches and leadership. I made it clear that any uniques prayer methodologies were to be excluded! Just focusing on HIm and not eh smllaer differences (I know there are huge doctrinal differnces that must be fought for) we succeeded in glorifying God to the co workers!
  10. Your view suffers from at least two problems. First, you clearly don't know what allegorical interpretations is. While that in and of itself is a problem, either you do not understand Calvin or you have never read Calvin. Before I get to the point let me inform you I am not a Calvinist. I am, however, concerned with accuracy as I am sure you are well aware. Calvin did not accept allegorical interpretations. He makes this very clear. Calvin had an extreme dislike for allegorical interpretations. Thus your claims about Calvin are straw men and let me remind you this is coming from a non-Calvinist. There are only two choices. Accept what Calvin says on the matter or accept your straw man claims about Calvin. Hi Origen: Yes I do not know why anyone who claims the bible to be the inerrant infallible and authoritative Word of God that was fully inspired can hold to amillennialism, no "rapture" and that God is done with HIs covenanted nation. As for Israel we are now in the time of the veiling as Paul said- but Paul also declared that once the full number of Gentiles have entered the body of christ- Then all Israel will be saved! These are prophecies that had no conditions attached to them.If God put no condition on their ultimate fulfilment why should any man???
  11. Your view suffers from at least two problems. First, you clearly don't know what allegorical interpretations is. While that in and of itself is a problem, either you do not understand Calvin or you have never read Calvin. Before I get to the point let me inform you I am not a Calvinist. I am, however, concerned with accuracy as I am sure you are well aware. Calvin did not accept allegorical interpretations. He makes this very clear. Calvin had an extreme dislike for allegorical interpretations. Thus your claims about Calvin are straw men and let me remind you this is coming from a non-Calvinist. There are only two choices. Accept what Calvin says on the matter or accept your straw man claims about Calvin. William: A straw man is creating a false argument by design. Mine was from faulty memory of Calvins positions.
  12. Your view suffers from at least two problems. First, you clearly don't know what allegorical interpretations is. While that in and of itself is a problem, either you do not understand Calvin or you have never read Calvin. Before I get to the point let me inform you I am not a Calvinist. I am, however, concerned with accuracy as I am sure you are well aware. Calvin did not accept allegorical interpretations. He makes this very clear. Calvin had an extreme dislike for allegorical interpretations. Thus your claims about Calvin are straw men and let me remind you this is coming from a non-Calvinist. There are only two choices. Accept what Calvin says on the matter or accept your straw man claims about Calvin. Well I have read several reformed writers (Loraine Boettner the main for reformed eschatology.), I also have a 1400 page text that compares side by side both reformed or allegorical eschatology and Israelogy with dispensational eschatology and Israelogy And I still do not understand why you reject a physical kingdom on earth when it is plain in Scripture, and all the rest we disagree on. I know what you believe but not why As for not knowing what the allegorical hermeneutic is: While a summation- correct me if it has changed "Allegorical interpretation of the Bible is an interpretive method (exegesis) that assumes that the Bible has various levels of meaning and tends to focus on the spiritual sense, which includes the allegorical sense, the moral (or tropological) sense, and the anagogical sense) as opposed to the literal sense. Dispensationalists understand there are three ways we learn from scripture-- That God wrote literally (and that includes symbolism), that we can expand doctrine from passages, and that we can learn personal application as to how God works among men! All passages do not contain all three but those ar ethe ways we learn from Scripture. I Reject the deeper meanings. That smacks of secret bible codes and requires great subjectivity.
  13. I wish I had the time to correct this mess you have written. there are many truths you have written, but they are intertwined with many things that jsut are not true! Dispensationalists recognize god is not done with Israel as a nation based on the covenants made to Abraham, the words of Jesus Paul and John. That is a straightforward reading of the Scriptures without theological bias. what is surprising is that men such as you and William and others on this site who are so learned in the Scriptures can so blithely reject what the Scriptures teach! It is my contention that you are following theologies that started in Romansim and carried forward after the reformation and have made voids the word of God by these man made traditions! When I have time I shall start a thread showing why you have misunderstood many of the passages you have cited I may be going in for major surgery and having a lengthy recovery period that would afford the time ( I have a renal mass and may have to giver back to God one of my kidneys!
  14. nolidad

    The Definiton of Faith

    If you are talking soteriological faith- that is a gift from God. Everyone has faith. The fact yiou get in your car- turn th ekey and expect it to start sows faith! this is not saving faith but general faith.
  15. Why do you think Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 10:4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. And I have some questions, regarding the type and anti type, and what it means that they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them. What exactly does 1 Corinthians 10:4 convey? Christ is obviously the rock which the Christian church is built. But why the allusion by Paul to OT Israel? Not asking you about Calvin, but Paul's. About the type and anti type found in 1 Corinthians 4, any comment? @theophilus do you have the link to the thread where you posed the question of whether the Holy Spirit too has his own wife to be? God bless, William Well we know that the OT was filled with types and shadows of things to come. As for 1 Cor. 10:4 also include the meat. They did not eat Jesus nor drink Jesus God miraculously fed the Israelites and give them drink water in the desert! These were provided by God and gave lief to Israel in the wilderness. Jesus let us know that these are also types of HIm to come. John 6: 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. also John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. So God again used real events to show the types fo things to come which are found in christ. You wrote: " theophilus do you have the link to the thread where you posed the question of whether the Holy Spirit too has his own wife to be?" The Father has a wife- the Lord Jesus has an espoused bride, but the Holy Spirit has none. YOu wrote: "Christ is obviously the rock which the Christian church is built. But why the allusion by Paul to OT Israel?" Well kept in context it is a warning of the consequences of disobedience. The OT saints ate that spiritual food and drank the spiritual water and still died due to rebellion as Paul wrote in verse 11: "11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come." this has nothing to do with the church existing in the OT, but about the consequences of disobedience.
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