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    How many commands are there in the following? "You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself"?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by AndThisGospel View Post
    How many commands are there in the following? "You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself"?
    G'day AndThisGospel,

    The entire second table of the Ten Commandments are found in that one commandment.

    So the answer is one, but at least five. If we love our neighbor we will not kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, or covet anything belonging to them Romans 13:8–10.

    God bless,
    William
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    • #3
      Gal 5:14 "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: 'You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself.'"

      I understand your point, William, but that's really not my question. In the above phrase how many commands are there? Does Paul say, "love your neighbor and love yourself" (two) or does he say "love your neighbor as you love yourself" (one)?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by AndThisGospel View Post
        Gal 5:14 "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself."

        I understand your point, William, but that's really not my question. In the above phrase how many commands are there? Does Paul say, "love your neighbor and love yourself" or does he say "love your neighbor as you love yourself"?
        Love, love, love, love:

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        When Jesus answered, He conveyed a person loves themselves too much Luke 14:6. So no to your first, and to your second he doesn't mean simultaneously. Often people can be guilty of self idolatry which would also violate the first table of the Ten Commandments. In the case of the Rich Young Ruler, he was idolatrous and covetous (broke first and second table). Love someone else more than you love yourself, in other words. People have no problem loving themselves. If we Love God first and above all then we will reject this kinda self idolatry.

        In Buddhism, for example, Buddha taught selflessness by extinguishing all want and desire (mainly relationships) which leads to attachments. Attachments lead to suffering. Jesus, however, prescribes loving Him more than ourselves, and loving our neighbor as ourselves - which ultimately leads to selflessness (irony). How do we love our neighbor as ourselves - the answer is in the second table which is now fulfilled.

        Remember, Christ said there is no greater love than this.... he pointed to self sacrifice for another. A love greater than our own life.

        Now when Paul says for all the law is fullfilled, refer to Romans 8:3-4 with emphasis on verse 4, love is called “the fulfilling of the law;”.

        To truly love will be evidenced, like true faith works are evidence and justify the faith, in such way loving our neighbor is evidence.

        Does this help?

        God bless,
        William
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        • #5
          Originally posted by William View Post
          Love someone else more than you love yourself...
          So Paul is saying love your neighbor as you naturally, sinfully, love yourself? In other words God's law demands that we love our neighbors as we naturally love ourselves.

          Then there's only 1 command, right?

          There's no law demanding we love ourselves. Self-love or iniquity is a given. We are born knowing only self-love. See Ps 51:5
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          • #6
            The primary meaning of iniquity is not an act but a condition. As a result of the fall, man by very nature is spiritually “bent,” so that the driving force of his very nature is love of self. Paul defines it as “the law of sin and death” [Romans 7:23; 8:2]. It is this condition that is the basis of all our sinning, and which makes us slaves to sin [Romans 3:9-12; 7:14].
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            • #7
              Originally posted by AndThisGospel View Post

              So Paul is saying love your neighbor as you naturally, sinfully, love yourself? In other words God's law demands that we love our neighbors as we naturally love ourselves.

              Then there's only 1 command, right?

              There's no law demanding we love ourselves. Self-love or iniquity is a given. We are born knowing only self-love. See Ps 51:5
              Doesn't seem like we are talking to one another, but it seems that we are talking past one another.

              To answer your question MORE directly there were two commandments emphasized from the OT which were called the greatest, the Law consists of two tables.

              Love God:
              • Deuteronomy 6:5, “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."

              Compare:
              • Matthew 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

              Love your neighbor:
              • Leviticus 19:18, "You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD."

              Compare:
              • Matthew 22:39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

              The 2nd (which is one commandment)..... unpacks into the entire last half of the Ten Commandments.

              The rule of Law IS included when we love.

              You may want to read Romans 13:8-14. The phrase fulfilling the law and equating it with love is repeatedly said by Paul in a consistent manner:
              • Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
              • Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
              • Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

              God bless,
              William
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              • #8
                Originally posted by William View Post
                The 2nd (which is one commandment)..... unpacks into the entire last half of the Ten Commandments.
                Yes, I understand that, but my specific question was how many commands are there in the phrase "you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself." You said one and that is correct. We aren't commanded to love self. Self-love is our problem.
                Last edited by AndThisGospel; 03-09-2017, 12:40 AM.
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                • #9
                  Human love, at its very best is self-seeking. We are by nature egocentric and therefore everything we do and think, in and of ourselves, is polluted with self-love or selfishness. Hence man’s love is always trying to ascend, whether it be socially, politically, academically, materially, economically, or even religiously; we are all slaves to our “own way” [Isaiah 53:6; Philippians 2:21]. We are all shaped in “iniquity” (see Ps 51:5). Consequently all of us, without exception, are coming short of God’s glory, that is, His agape love [Romans 3:23].
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                  • #10
                    Satan has developed a kingdom (the Bible refers to it as “the kingdom of this world”) that is based entirely on the principle of self and which is in complete opposition and contradiction to the “kingdom of heaven.” Everything, therefore, that goes to make up this worldly system (kosmos) — nationalism, tribalism, politics, education, commerce, recreation, sports, social clubs, technology, etc. — is founded upon the principle of love of self, even though at times this principle may not be obvious. According to 1 John 2:16, “all that is in the world” (i.e., without exception) is based or founded upon lust (i.e., love of self).
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