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  • Rules For Debates

    (1) Post your topic here.

    (2) Make sure you message the person you wish to debate and let him\her know.

    (3) You must both agree on the topic.

    (4) Also message a moderator and let that person know you want to debate.

    (5) One side will take the affirmative proposition and the other the negative proposition.

    (6) Each debate will consist of 3 rounds.

    a. An affirmative constructive followed by a negative constructive

    b. An affirmative rebuttal followed by negative rebuttal

    c. Summations\Closing remarks

    (7) Each debater will have 48 hours to respond to their opponent.

    (8) Stay on topic.

    (9) Moderation will be limited. No foul language. Other than that you are on your own, but remember you are Christians.

    (10) All debates will be closed to outside comments.

    (11) After the debate has ended anyone will be able to comment on the topic.

  • #2
    I would be interested in debating the following:
    1. The Bible teaches that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer/worship. I will affirm. (It would be great if James Dunn was here to offer a rebuttal but anyone else will do).
    Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?: The New Testament Evidence: James D. G. Dunn: 9780664231965: Amazon.com: Books
    2. The Bible teaches that Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were saved before they were water baptized. I will affirm.
    3. The Bible teaches that if a person today has not been baptized with the Holy Spirit then he/she is not a Christian. This event places a person into the body of Christ/the Church. I will affirm.
    4. The Bible teaches that the Old Covenant command of obedience to the 7th day Sabbath is no longer binding upon the Christian. I will affirm.
    5. The Bible teaches that a Christian wife is to fear her husband as her lord/master (unless he commands her to sin). I will affirm.
    6. The New Testament teaches that homosexuality is a sin. I will affirm.
    Last edited by Faber; 09-18-2016, 09:39 PM.
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    • #3
      Hi Faber, I have a question about your debate topic #3. Do you believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence that proves that this particular kind of baptism has truly happened, and if so, do you believe that anyone who is saved WILL (therefore) speak in tongues?

      Thanks!

      Yours in Christ,
      David
      Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

      "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

      "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

      "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

      "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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      • #4
        Hello David,
        1 Corinthians 12:28 teaches that not all speak in tongues - but those who happened to have this particular gift are "in the church".
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        • #5
          Ahh, we agree. I was, for a time, involved with the AoG, and I still have a number of close friends who are members. Many (certainly not all) in the Charismatic movement believe that if one is truly saved, he/she WILL speak in tongues, period. On that point I cannot, of course, agree with many of my very well-meaning charismatic brethren for the very reason you just gave above. Glossa were a gift to some, not a necessity for all.

          Perhaps someone else here at CF believes they are however (or perhaps better, is a strict/absolute cessationist). I would be interested in seeing a formal debate about that subject if there is a cessationist who would be willing to debate you (I haven't studied the subject, so the position I hold on cessationism is, at least for now, agnostic).

          Yours in Christ,
          David
          Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

          "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

          "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

          "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

          "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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          • #6
            I also spent some time as a member of an AofG church and witnessed what I have come to understand as a misuse of the gift of tongues, or at the very least an ignorant use of it. Meaning, there were people within the church who while others were praying would "speak in tongues." Some have explained that it is their "spirit language", while others just considered it speaking in tongues. However, when looking at what they were doing through the lens of the New Testament I can only conclude that they were speaking gibberish, as no biblical purpose for it was being fulfilled. There was no one else in the room who didn't speak english that could suddenly understand what was being spoken, nor was it edifying anyone else in the group. One specific individual, I feel, was doing only because he had watched his parents do it as he was growing up and figured that was just what you do when you are praying in a group.
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            • #7
              Too much orthodoxy and not enough heretics for debates here.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Origen View Post
                Too much orthodoxy and not enough heretics for debates here.
                :rolleyes:
                Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

                "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

                "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

                "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

                "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Origen View Post
                  Too much orthodoxy and not enough heretics for debates here.
                  Sprinkle or dunk? ;)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by atpollard View Post

                    Sprinkle or dunk? ;)
                    lol

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Faber View Post
                      Hello David,
                      1 Corinthians 12:28 teaches that not all speak in tongues - but those who happened to have this particular gift are "in the church".
                      Any particular reason why you use happened rather than happen?

                      God bless,
                      William
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
                        Ahh, we agree. I was, for a time, involved with the AoG, and I still have a number of close friends who are members. Many (certainly not all) in the Charismatic movement believe that if one is truly saved, he/she WILL speak in tongues, period. On that point I cannot, of course, agree with many of my very well-meaning charismatic brethren for the very reason you just gave above. Glossa were a gift to some, not a necessity for all.

                        Perhaps someone else here at CF believes they are however (or perhaps better, is a strict/absolute cessationist). I would be interested in seeing a formal debate about that subject if there is a cessationist who would be willing to debate you (I haven't studied the subject, so the position I hold on cessationism is, at least for now, agnostic).

                        Yours in Christ,
                        David
                        I believe you actually make up the largest group David. Lots of people are neither Charismatic, Pentecostal or strict Cessationist. The largest group is suspect middle ground. Why don't you represent this middle group and debate in a friendly manner? I haven't much debate experience on this subject matter, so I wouldn't mind taking the Cessationist position.

                        God bless,
                        William
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Origen View Post
                          Too much orthodoxy and not enough heretics for debates here.
                          Based on reputation alone, I refuse to debate any Charismatic unless they first go through security and a metal detector.

                          God bless,
                          William
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by William View Post
                            Based on reputation alone, I refuse to debate any Charismatic unless they first go through security and a metal detector. I'm sure nobody would mind if a Cessationist just moves into the thread though?
                            God bless,
                            William
                            I wonder how one would type in 'tongues' if you were to debate a Charismatic. :)
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by atpollard View Post

                              I wonder how one would type in 'tongues' if you were to debate a Charismatic. :)
                              Exactly, look at what Knotical wrote:

                              Originally posted by Knotical View Post
                              There was no one else in the room who didn't speak english that could suddenly understand what was being spoken, nor was it edifying anyone else in the group.
                              Why would the Holy Spirit interrupt Himself from the pulpit only to speak a different language requiring a translator to speak to those He already had a direct line of communication with?

                              Seems irrational to me.

                              If they do begin speaking tongues and a translator begins, should we write these things down and add what is said to the end of Scripture?

                              God bless,
                              William
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