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    Should Christians look to politics?

    Hello I am new here but saved 35 years. My other forum has shut down so I would like to join your discussion. I do not believe Christians should be in or look to politics.Jesus was not plitical

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    Originally posted by mitchel View Post
    I do not believe Christians should be in or look to politics.Jesus was not plitical
    Hi Mitchel,

    Welcome to Christforums.

    Depends on what you mean by "looking to politics"? For salvation, of course not!

    Just to clarify, you do not believe that Christians should voice our faithful convictions and attempt to alter our nations' policies? For example, on the topic of abortion, do you think it right that Christians engage in democracy, voting for the position that aligns best with Scripture, and voicing to our Nation's conscience moral reason through rational discourse?

    How many times have you come across an OT passage where an OT Prophet addressed the Nation, telling the Nation to confess and repent sins? Likewise, regarding Jesus, I believe He did speak of proper conduct militarily, even to Paul which addressed the duty and responsibility of Government over its citizens.

    Personally, I think given the recent 8 years America's conscience (the church) has been rather silent, more than likely due to threat of legal action (hate speech or IRS violations). Do you think now that the tide has turned that the church should remain silent? Or do you think we have an obligation to speak in all areas where people may be led to Christ?

    God bless,
    William
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      #3
      Originally posted by William View Post
      How many times have you come across an OT passage where an OT Prophet addressed the Nation, telling the Nation to confess and repent sins? Likewise, regarding Jesus, I believe He did speak from proper conduct militarily, even to Paul which addressed the duty and responsibility of Government over its citizens.
      Could you use scripture and verse. I do know that we should respect authority and obey the laws of the land as much as it is possible under God.
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        #4
        Originally posted by mitchel View Post

        Could you use scripture and verse. I do know that we should respect authority and obey the laws of the land as much as it is possible under God.
        The answer is found in Romans 13.

        Two examples I was using: Luke 3 with emphasis on Luke 3:14; and Romans 13 with emphasis on Romans 13:1-6.

        Lemme ask you further, if you were Daniel and the current Admin suggested that you should not pray, would you try to encourage the government to allow you and other citizens to pray through rational discourse in political policy making?

        God bless,
        William
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          #5
          The Old Testament does not apply to the New Covenant church. Jesus said to obey the Pharisees for they sit in Moses seat, but he had not gone to the cross yet nor was the Vail torn yet. Peter resisted the Pharisees when they told him not to preach Jesus.

          Peter and the other apostles replied, we must obey God rather than men Acts 5:29
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            #6
            Originally posted by mitchel View Post
            My other forum has shut down...
            If I may ask which forum was that?
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              #7
              Grace Centered. Its been off line all week.
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                #8
                Hello I am new here but saved 35 years. My other forum has shut down so I would like to join your discussion. I do not believe Christians should be in or look to politics.Jesus was not political.
                While Jesus was not political, He did not object to government, and He Himself shall literally govern the earth in the near future. Christians need to distinguish between good government (a necessity) and dirty politics (a necessary evil in this present evil world). So while Christians should not get deeply involved in politics, they should consider carefully which politicians are for good government and which are simply self-serving parasites. The sad fact is that both politics and government have been corrupted in every nation, yet the responsibility to cast votes requires Christians to know the issues and then vote wisely (or not at all).
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                  #9
                  I agree with you Lucas. I chose to not vote. As in our last election there simply was no good choice. I do not think I would have voted if there was a lesser of two evils. Christians look for those who represent best there values, but Christian values are being flushed in the toilet and the consequences will be judgment. Many look to politics for answers to the worlds problems and evils. Sad to say many look to the one that will make there wallet fatter and bolster the economy. Our president believes only the billionaires are smart enough to run the country. I believe the ! point was on himself.
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                    #10
                    If Christians and good people have nothing to do with government, don't we make it inevitable that we will be governed by bad people without Christian values? As I have said before, the problem is that the system encourages anyone with principles to leave, for example recently one of our major party leaders stepped down saying that being a Christian was incompatible with politics. Without watching the government and being able to call it to account, don't we just make it easier for the bad things to become entrenched? We may not be able to change everything, but it is still important to know that it is wrong and to be able to take a stand.

                    I can understand not voting if there is not good choice but if one of the candidates, even a third party or independant that you are sure won't win, is standing on decent principles, isn't it worth giving them your vote, if only to encourage others to take a stand?
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                      #11
                      We should not rely on politics to solve our problems but we can't help being involved in it. We are citizens of Heaven but our heavenly citizenship doesn't nullify our earthly citizenship. Paul exercised his rights as a Roman citizen; if we exercise our rights we should also fulfill our responsibilities, including the responsibility to vote. If we are faced with a choice between two evil candidates we can at least support the one who is least evil.
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                        #12
                        There Have been elections where it's been the better of the two evils that we vote for.

                        Even in local elections -- mayors / city counsel / school board elections. It's important To vote.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ChatterBox View Post
                          If Christians and good people have nothing to do with government, don't we make it inevitable that we will be governed by bad people without Christian values? As I have said before, the problem is that the system encourages anyone with principles to leave, for example recently one of our major party leaders stepped down saying that being a Christian was incompatible with politics. Without watching the government and being able to call it to account, don't we just make it easier for the bad things to become entrenched? We may not be able to change everything, but it is still important to know that it is wrong and to be able to take a stand.

                          I can understand not voting if there is not good choice but if one of the candidates, even a third party or independant that you are sure won't win, is standing on decent principles, isn't it worth giving them your vote, if only to encourage others to take a stand?
                          The party leader was right. Government does not stand with Christian values. You find your self at odds with God. and His word. Such as SCOTUS legalizing gay marriage which sets not moral standard for our children growing up.Christians should not run for office if they can't take Jesus with us. Once a candidate Takes office he must accept all religious faiths, which means that the most powerful seat in the world cannot say Jesus is Lord of all and remain in office. If we need to put a gag order on the Name of Jesus we should not be there.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                            We should not rely on politics to solve our problems but we can't help being involved in it. We are citizens of Heaven but our heavenly citizenship doesn't nullify our earthly citizenship. Paul exercised his rights as a Roman citizen; if we exercise our rights we should also fulfill our responsibilities, including the responsibility to vote. If we are faced with a choice between two evil candidates we can at least support the one who is least evil.
                            True we are citizens in the secular sense. Paul appealed to his Roman citizenship to be saved from scourging by the Roman officials. We also have rights we can appeal to as Americans. Voting is a right not a responsibility. You may feel a sense of moral responsibly but voting is a choice. Under Christ we are no longer citizens of this world. We are not of the political systems of the world.

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                              #15
                              I will try to be as concise as possible. Point 1 Assuming you are addressing the Gospel of Christ Jesus said if you be ashamed of Me I will also be ashamed of you before My Father in Heaven. Paul said be instant in and out of season. Our government has made that difficult. Respect for Christ church in America is being minimized every day. About abortion there will always be conflict between church and state, however no president has made a move to banish it. I don't see that law being revoked nor will they reverse gay marriage.

                              Second. You are missing the Gospel. When Jesus passed and the veil of the Temple was torn in half by the hand of God faith and salvation became personal not national. In the OT Gods people was the nation of Is Israel, Today Gods people are saved into a personal relation with Christ . Have you confessed Jesus as your personal Savior and walk with Christ and Obey his commandments. You can't save a nation but you can bring your neighbor to Christ. This is the New covenant.

                              Last and very sad to say I see the church dyeing from worldliness and compromise in our free world where we lust for its enticements. We have a mandate to preach salvation to all. Love overcomes fear
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