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    Has Trump professed Christ?

    I was recently told that Trump stated he had been saved. If anyone has a source for this, I'd appreciate it.

    If true, do you think it will make a difference in how he manages his new job? I still fear that his hands will be tied in many areas. I don't think a president can do all the things s/he wants to do or we want them to do, at least not within Constitutional parameters. I hope he does his best to do away with many executive orders and doesn't rely on them himself. We need to get back to following the Constitution.

    Speaking of which, do you think the Constitution was divinely inspired?

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    The only thing I remember from the election in regard to this is when James Dobson said that Trump was a Christian. There was no actual indication directly from Trump. Of course, as all ways in these cases it is between him and God. We just need to wait and see what fruit he bears once he is in office.
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      #3
      He has claimed the Bible is his favorite book, and gave speeches at a couple evangelical universities. He's also flubbed Bible quotes and claimed he's never asked God for forgiveness, so his understanding of Christianity is certainly debatable, especially in view of his general well-documented behavior, in my opinion.
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        #4
        I wondered if it were a case of posing for the crowd at hand at the moment. As Knotical said though, it really is between him and God. I was more curious as to the reference, since I couldn't recall any such proclamation. Of course, the election didn't have my undivided attention either. It is entirely possible that I could have missed it.
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          #5
          Based on what I have read about Trump's words and actions I don't believe he is really a Christian, although it is possible that at sometime in the past he has made a profession of faith. I am praying that he will come to faith in Christ. His vice president, Mike Pence, is a Christian and I pray that he will be able to influence Trump in this area.
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            #6
            I have heard that Donald Trump has, in fact, professed to know Christ publicly---and more than once! I am not one to judge, but from the opinions of strong like-minded believers of positive sound mind and spirit, it seems that his claim to Christ has been confirmed by a multitude of witnesses. This is always a good sign. Some such believers include Billy Graham's family.....
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              #7
              Originally posted by theophilus View Post
              Based on what I have read about Trump's words and actions I don't believe he is really a Christian, although it is possible that at sometime in the past he has made a profession of faith. I am praying that he will come to faith in Christ. His vice president, Mike Pence, is a Christian and I pray that he will be able to influence Trump in this area.
              Well, it's hard to really know a person based on what the media projects. I don't begin to think I can judge whether or not he is really a Christian. I was wondering more about his profession of faith. Some seem to think it was just another campaign thing, while others believe he is sincere. This made me curious.

              I am praying for him too. He is definitely going to need it.
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                #8
                People in Germany are very confused about Mr. Trump. What we hear within our news sounds terryfiing and not biblical at all! What makes you think he might be a believer?
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LittleRedRidinghood View Post
                  People in Germany are very confused about Mr. Trump. What we hear within our news sounds terryfiing and not biblical at all! What makes you think he might be a believer?
                  Likewise, we hear about the rise in crime and sexual assaults in Germany from the refuge crisis. We also hear about Germany not contributing their fair share to the financial obligation for NATO. All of this makes Conservative Americans look towards Germany in hopes of not repeating its mistakes. A wise man once said, that to ignore history is to repeat the same mistakes. Liberals suppress the truth and ignore the past and is why we are beginning to look quite a lot like other nations some 50+ years ago. Personally, I think it absurd that our forefathers died on the shores of other nations just so their children could usher in the government which they fought against.

                  Some of the articles and news reports I have read are reporting:
                  • Germany's migrant rape crisis has now spread to cities and towns in all 16 of Germany's federal states. Germany now finds itself in a vicious circle: most of the perpetrators are never found, and the few who are frequently receive lenient sentences. Only one in 10 rapes in Germany is reported and just 8% of rape trials result in convictions, according to Minister of Justice Heiko Maas.
                  • Up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany in 2014 do not appear in the official statistics, according to Andr√© Schulz, the head of the Association of Criminal Police.
                  • "There are strict instructions from the top not to report offenses committed by refugees. It is extraordinary that certain offenders are deliberately NOT being reported about and the information is being classified as confidential." -- High-ranking police official in Frankfurt, quoted in Bild.

                  Source: Germany's Migrant Rape Crisis Spirals out of Control

                  Here in America the news is mostly run by the liberal party. From a Conservative/Republican standpoint things can't get much better. We are experiencing the aftermath - IMO from so many German migrants that propped up liberalism in America after the World War, these are the generations that follow. Most heavily populated liberal areas are from where the majority of German migrants took root. Our schools not only teach Evolution now but Social Darwinism and Post Modernism which Nazi Germany greatly contributed towards in combating Religion. This is why it is so important for this president to "reeducate" our youth and guide our nation's academic institutions.

                  As far as Trump being a believer I see no evidence of that. I only hear others claim such a thing. However, I am very pleased about the people Trump has picked to fill our party's seats. This is the most Christian admin in my lifetime. I believe God can use Trump, after all, God spoke through a Jackass in the past.

                  God bless,
                  William
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                    #10
                    Thanks for your reply.

                    Yes, news are often somewhat "coloured". But please, please notice: BILD is worst yellow press, in Germany not usually cited.
                    That`s an interesting point: Mr. Trump choose many good people *thumps up*. I bet you feel blessed! Trumps decisions are good for inner american topics, are they?

                    We do not have a "rape crisis". There was New Years Eve in Cologne and other cities, which was really bad, but there are not significant more rapes. Crime in general rose slightly in absolute numbers, but not in percent (more people means more crime, everywhere, I`m afraid). The wast majority of refugees where shocked and condemmed those things, suggesting to sent thosepeople back to their countires. Most of these crimes are not confessed by people fleeing the syrain war, but from north african people searching their luck. They do not get german asylum, but will be sent back. There are two different groups!

                    2014 there was no mass immigration in Germany, this started in summer 2015. And I do think most of sexualt assaults are not reported - something I as a woman do not understand at all.

                    I going to find out what "liberal" means to Americans. From what your describe it sounds like our "left" and/ or "green" political spectrum.

                    And I`m a bit confused: Evolution is part of German biology lessons, while social darwinism or post modernsim would rather be found in religious lessons, which are parted in three different sections for pupils to choice: Lutherian, catholic or pure "ethic", for non-believers or non-christian believers. Is evolution teaching part of ethic teaching in the USA? Nazis tried to combat a lot of good things ... we are really looking for not letting them grow again!

                    I`m glad that "Dunkeldeutschland" (i.e. darkGermany, a new expression for the nazi-time) is over. What mistakes you are afraid Germany could repeat? Most people here agree with NATO. We have our pacifists, mostly left or "green" political spectrum.

                    Be belessed,
                    LittleRedRidinghood



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                      Originally posted by LittleRedRidinghood View Post
                      We do not have a "rape crisis". There was New Years Eve in Cologne and other cities, which was really bad, but there are not significant more rapes. Crime in general rose slightly in absolute numbers, but not in percent (more people means more crime, everywhere, I`m afraid). The wast majority of refugees where shocked and condemmed those things, suggesting to sent thosepeople back to their countires. Most of these crimes are not confessed by people fleeing the syrain war, but from north african people searching their luck. They do not get german asylum, but will be sent back. There are two different groups!
                      While "really bad" is subjective, I would say this was incredibly horrifying.

                      Originally posted by LittleRedRidinghood View Post
                      And I`m a bit confused: Evolution is part of German biology lessons, while social darwinism or post modernsim would rather be found in religious lessons, which are parted in three different sections for pupils to choice: Lutherian, catholic or pure "ethic", for non-believers or non-christian believers. Is evolution teaching part of ethic teaching in the USA? Nazis tried to combat a lot of good things ... we are really looking for not letting them grow again!
                      I would say this is exactly the kind of thing we Constitutional Republicans and Conservative Christians are against. To me, and I mean no offense, the only other thing worse than a political liberal is a theological liberal. And by that I mean the liberal party here goes so far as to suggest the Jesus would support abortion, and that our president dishonors God by pulling out of the Paris Accord. If anyone speaks against, we have someone like Pelosi that attempts to twist Jesus' teaching and say that we should not judge.

                      Here's a rant about American Liberalism: 60 Hard Truths about "Liberals" -Christforums

                      God bless,
                      William
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                        #12
                        Thanks, I`ll search that. 60 Hard truths ...

                        I do not feel offened. I am really interested in how political and other topics are seen from other points of view, trying to get Gods intention in the every-day-thing.
                        I don`t get the point: Where ist 3-parted religious teaching theological liberal?

                        Just to explain myself: I do believe every single word in the holy bible is true and God is to trust and follow and obey.

                        For Germany Angela Merkel is conservative. She protects christianity. Our far right party AfD - oh, Lord, have mercy! They seem smooth with condemning same sex marriages and some other points, but there is much Nazi stuff below the surface. With them leading Germany we could close all churches - the same with left wing and "green" spectrum. They vote for environment, but would destroy good family politics.

                        Of course Cologne was a catastrophe. We`ll never let that happen again.

                        See, we have a root of stupid politics, which made this possible: Because we do not want to be called Nazis again, police and army were held small over decades. This is changing now, but it will take time.
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                          #13
                          Many persons have professed to be Christians but in spite of this type of revelation, they still do many things that are contrary to teachings of the faith. Trump may believe in Jesus but that belief may not necessarily equate to him behaving in a Christlike manner. He may be only going that way that his heart leads him to go and when he is making decisions his goal may only be to achieve a state of ascendancy whichever way it might come.
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                            #14
                            A person, and I am referring to a Christ Follower, shows much about what he believes by who he allows to mentor himself.. Paula White has been reported to be a Christian mentor to President Trump, which concerns me greatly. Ms. White has been accused of having been in a relationship with Benny Hinn. Ms. White is a ordained Word Of Faith minister. Ms. White has questionable Orthodox Christian Theological of the Gospel IMO. I am uncertain that President Trump has made a genuine choice to become a Follower of Christ. I have no real knowledge to say one way or the other. I pray for my president Trump often.
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                              #15
                              I am not sure about How Christian Trump is because he have some very controversial antics.
                              His daughter Ivanka though is not a Christian. She was a Christian by birth because of her parents. She converted to Judaism. The reason for her conversion is her husband. I am not sure though if Trump's other children are Christian. At least they are less liberal when it comes to issues like Abortion.

                              About Angela Merkel, I remember she is daughter of a preacher so she is one of the most conservative western leaders out there.
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