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Just Mike

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President Obama has just signed off on a man who sold government secrets who was serving a 35 year Jail term, and only served 7 years. He began to ware women's clothes and let his hair grow. Then he said he is "Transgendered" and wants to go to a woman's jail instead. No keep in mind he still has all his male parts still attached. He wants the government to pay for the operation to remove his male parts and surgically make him to look like he has female body parts. The operation cost at the least $100,000. USD. I think this is why he is being released.

 

 

Here is my opinion. He is a he even if he were surgically made to look like he has female body parts. His DNA will always say he is a he. So just because he wares female clothes does not make him anything but a transvestite, or cross dresser. If he had his male body parts removed, then he is transgendered, and just plane stupid, but definitely not a woman. Any male having sexual contact with another male is called a homosexual. That according to Romans chapter 1 is a terrible sin.

 

Even if a transgendered person finds Jesus and wants to be a follower of Jesus, he or she must return to dressing as the se they were born as. There has been transgendered people come to Christ, and that is very good for them. The sad fact is 80% of transvestites have seriously thought of killing themselfs. The records show more than 30% of transgender people wind up killing themselves.

 

Hod do you think we as Christians should help these people who are so unhappy with being as they way they were born?

 

 

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We first have to understand their motivation for wanting to "change" themselves to another gender. I have heard that most, if not all, of these people are victims of some sort of abuse as a child. We as Christians must take whatever pain has caused them to come to this decision and turn it around and reinforce the truth that God loves them the way He made them, and any attempt at changing God's creating just invites judgement upon them. They need to embrace the way they were made in spite of whatever pain they are feeling driving them to this.

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The operation cost at the least $100,000. USD. I think this is why he is being released.

The government ( tax payer) will pay for it any way,... I think i heard he will not be released fora while any way.. i will go see what i can find..

 

Added : Nope he will be released in May

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We first have to understand their motivation for wanting to "change" themselves to another gender. I have heard that most, if not all, of these people are victims of some sort of abuse as a child. We as Christians must take whatever pain has caused them to come to this decision and turn it around and reinforce the truth that God loves them the way He made them, and any attempt at changing God's creating just invites judgement upon them. They need to embrace the way they were made in spite of whatever pain they are feeling driving them to this.

 

 

You may have been told they have a added chromosome as well. Many people have been raised in terrible abusive homes, and they have managed to be stable people. I am sure there are sensitive people who might to have driven to sin, but I do not accept that most Transgendered or homoseual people had bad homes. They have chosen a life style that is destructive, and the will be held accountable by God. There are no excuses that God will excuse these serious rejections of His word. Now its not just sexual sins but all sins that God will hold us accountable for.

 

If we reject Jesus Christ, we alone will stand before God on Judgement day and answer to God for all our sins. If we have become a Follower of Jesus Christ then Jesus has paid our price for our sins, that is Grace and Mercy that God loves us so much that the cost for my sins and who ever accepts Jesus as Lord and becomes His follower we are saved from the penalty for our sins which is hell.

 

I say thank you LORD JESUS.

 

 

 

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Actually, Justme, a LOT of homosexual people, especially the men, were molested as kids. I had a close friend who was a Gay man, and these are things I heard from him ad his friends. There is a tremendous amount of self-hatred and depravity among the Gays, and they go suicidal because they don't believe there's a way out. There is a certain way to work with those people if they desire to find freedom in Christ, and that is best done by someone like Sy Rogers who was himself delivered from homosexuality. His testimony is fantastic as are his insights on Christianity.

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Childhood can have issues that causes mental problems. There does reach a point as an adult that we are responsible for the choices we make, no matter what what happened as a child. AS adults we are able to think through behavior that is damaging our health, and that God call sin. We have a God given item called a conscience, try as hard as we may we know, if we have had exposure to the Bible or even if we haven't something insides us says this is wrong.

 

I also agree addiction plays a big issue in all this as well. I am not saying we are not to have empathy, or even pitty, for sure we should say by Gods grace that could be me.

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When we are trying to sort anything out, we really need to consider why someone does what they do, and that isn't always easy. A deception can be very deeply rooted and take a long time to correct. A huge problem with deception is that it can seem so real, the victim of the deception can have enormous difficulty overcoming it...

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I do not agree. Sin can be broken, when Jesus makes aware of sin that is a sin that God calls an abomination, that means we do something to repent right NOW! A person that rapes, kills, or does harm to others has to stop right now. Should God expect anything less? Homoseuality and sexual sins may be a life style, but it is something we can stop.

 

Jesus said with man somethings may seem impossible, but with God all things are possible. Making excuses for delaying repentance is just that...excuses.

 

 

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This is rather sensitive, because as we give our views on this matter it would be great to hear from an actual homosexual or transgender.

Reason is, even the poor and down casted too have their story.

I actually feel sorry for these guys, imagine you are born in a world where every one is gay and you are the only one who have feelings for the opposite sex.

How would you feel? How would want those people to treat you?

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You may have been told they have a added chromosome as well.
Isn't the chromosome issue more common to intersex people (people born both sexes or neither with indeterminate DNA e.g. XXY) than transgender who are born one physical sex but decide that they are another? There's a difference between someone who is born with a medical condition that makes gender indeterminate, and someone born with a healthy functioning body of one gender that they think should be the other.

 

I think that quite frankly they, like all people, should be treated with compassion. Transitioned or not, the suicide rate among people who are transgender is higher than the normal and that speaks of an underlying issue that needs to be handled with mercy and compassion, not judgement and mockery.

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Isn't the chromosome issue more common to intersex people (people born both sexes or neither with indeterminate DNA e.g. XXY) than transgender who are born one physical sex but decide that they are another? There's a difference between someone who is born with a medical condition that makes gender indeterminate, and someone born with a healthy functioning body of one gender that they think should be the other.

 

I think that quite frankly they, like all people, should be treated with compassion. Transitioned or not, the suicide rate among people who are transgender is higher than the normal and that speaks of an underlying issue that needs to be handled with mercy and compassion, not judgement and mockery.

 

You have point there @ChatterBox , there's definitely more to transgender than meets the eye. Perhaps before we ask ourselves why anybody would want to be associated with a certain gender and not the other, we should ask ourselves why we want to be the gender we are and not the other.

Or why one prefers a certain faith and disagrees with another. Some people even quit trusting in the one true God and turn to wicked gods and witchcraft.

i want to believe that no one person holds the monopoly of truth but each of us believes in his own translation of reality.

And sometimes a person's translation may not go very well with a majority.

My point is simple; before we judge or condemn these people let's really try to understand their story. Only then can we help them.

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You may have been told they have a added chromosome as well. Many people have been raised in terrible abusive homes, and they have managed to be stable people. I am sure there are sensitive people who might to have driven to sin, but I do not accept that most Transgendered or homoseual people had bad homes. They have chosen a life style that is destructive, and the will be held accountable by God. There are no excuses that God will excuse these serious rejections of His word. Now its not just sexual sins but all sins that God will hold us accountable for.

 

If we reject Jesus Christ, we alone will stand before God on Judgement day and answer to God for all our sins. If we have become a Follower of Jesus Christ then Jesus has paid our price for our sins, that is Grace and Mercy that God loves us so much that the cost for my sins and who ever accepts Jesus as Lord and becomes His follower we are saved from the penalty for our sins which is hell.

 

I say thank you LORD JESUS.

 

 

 

justme

 

Uh, no. I am well aware that an added chromosome is actually a developmental disorder.

 

Why do you think people would choose to live a destructive lifestyle? It is because they are lashing out at someone, or trying to find some sort of normalcy in their world that has been torn apart by abuse (in whatever form it may have taken for them). Of course everyone is held accountable by God, but we as Christians are supposed to be the light in that darkness for them. Show them there is a way out of their destructive lifestyle, regardless of the reason for which they are living it.

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Did you know the Olympics now allows "trans-gendered women" to compete against biological women in the Olympics. There is this Navy seal who decided to identify as woman and had plastic surgery to be a woman but identifies as Lesbian. This person competes in Mixed martial arts against biological born women and "she" beats them up brutally. Most of "her" opponents have no idea they are fighting against someone who is born as a man and served the military and did body building for years. Social Justice warriors thinks this "woman" have a right to fight actual women in the ring because "she" is a woman now.

 

We know men and women are split in different divisions at sports to make the match ups more fair because men have stronger bones and reflexes. Apparently a man is now allowed to have a boxing or martial arts match against a born woman without her knowledge because "she" is a woman now according to laws.

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I find this whole concept confusing and wonder also why their seems to be an explosion of more and more young people wanting to become transgender or just state a gender different from their biological born sex. It seems to be the lastest rage more of a way to attract attention and be noticed then to have a real purpose. YouTube is filled with young adults and children thinking that choosing to be transgender is as simple as wearing a dress or a hoodie and jeans. Many people take hormones of the other gender to stop normal body functions and ruin natural body imagine, and sometimes alter their bodies in ways non-reversible and end up more unhappy then they were before creating so many changes.

 

It scares me to think what this is doing to our younger generation and how it is being pushed in our faces like it is completely normal and if you disagree then your in the wrong in your faith and Bible based belief. I would hope that counseling might help these people by weighting out the effects and changes and hoping that they would be extra careful before leaping into a completely different lifestyle.

It seems that the devil has taken root and the wave of this is so strong it will take the Lord's armies of angels to defeat it.

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It's hard for me to even grasp any sort of acceptance of a transgender, surgical removal of the outside, does not change what they where hard wired for!

If they where born male, cutting their person does NOT make them female, even if they take hormones!! I will never accept Bruce Jenner as a female!

He is an very UGLY looking female.... I just can't accept what these people do to their bodies,it's mutilation even if it is done surgically... the CORE

of their essence is what they were born with... period!! God made us who we are for a reason!!

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Your law-protected speech, opinion and feelings of repulsion towards the unnatural is legitimate and acceptable. That's the beauty of USA's 1st Amendment freedom.

 

It's great to be able to discuss our world view in Biblical perspective at ChristForum. Let's encourage one another in peace and standing firm with God's righteous law He has written in our hearts, for the days are evil (and strange).

 

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

 

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Did you know the Olympics now allows "trans-gendered women" to compete against biological women in the Olympics. There is this Navy seal who decided to identify as woman and had plastic surgery to be a woman but identifies as Lesbian. This person competes in Mixed martial arts against biological born women and "she" beats them up brutally. Most of "her" opponents have no idea they are fighting against someone who is born as a man and served the military and did body building for years. Social Justice warriors thinks this "woman" have a right to fight actual women in the ring because "she" is a woman now.

 

We know men and women are split in different divisions at sports to make the match ups more fair because men have stronger bones and reflexes. Apparently a man is now allowed to have a boxing or martial arts match against a born woman without her knowledge because "she" is a woman now according to laws.

 

It's just plain insanity! Chaos in a fallen world. I wonder if today's moral decay is like in the 'days of Noah' that Messiah Jesus mentions about?

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I totally agree PsalmOneCares, my pastor would say to me: How do you think Jesus would treat them? I say Jesus would probably try to be nice.... but back then, people couldn't change what they were on a whim like they do now..... That's what scares me about living in this world today...No one wants to live simple, It's about instant gratification, what will these people do 10-20-30 years from now when the DNA starts to break down?? and the Fake stuff fails on so many levels....UGH! Lord Help 'em... they are truly going to need help.....I think in the days of Noah, they would not be on the boat!!

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How do you think Jesus would treat them?

 

We know how Jesus is going to treat unrepentant sinners. Just read Revelation.

 

God bless,

William

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If I walk into my Psychiatrist, and say I want my left arm surgically removed, I will be placed in therapy and on meds. But tell her I want my cock and balls surgically removed, and somehow this is NORMAL! It's disgusting, and pardon my earlier language, but there is no NICE way to say it.

 

At the same time though, we are ALL sinners. Every single one of us. And sexual sin can be committed by normal heterosexual persons just as easily as by homosexuals or transgender people. You like butt-sex with a woman? Guess what? It's Biblically forbidden. Oral sex? Debatable at best.

 

I apologise for my "French" in this post. But let us be completely direct. Ever sleep with your neighbour's wife or want to? Ever had a threesome with your wife and another woman? All sin. HIV/AIDS is now passed predominantly by needles and HETEROsexuals having promiscuous sex.

 

So, as much as I find banging another dude absolutely repulsive, or dressing as a woman disgusting, and even more vile mutilating my privates to BE a woman, let's try and realise, we ALL sin.

 

We must treat these men and women with respect and kindness. We must avoid course jokes at their expense. We must in no way brutalise them physically or emotionally. While we MUST gently encourage them to improve their conduct, and turn from their sin, we need to remind ourselves that there, but for the Grace of God, go ANY of us!

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If I walk into my Psychiatrist, and say I want my left arm surgically removed, I will be placed in therapy and on meds. But tell her I want my cock and balls surgically removed, and somehow this is NORMAL! It's disgusting, and pardon my earlier language, but there is no NICE way to say it.
I think there is one other problem. Because this has been in the news so much recently, it is more likely that psychiatrists will diagnose it without looking for other causes.

 

Misdiagnosis is a major issue, particularly when there are cases like the one reported a few days ago when a patient who had been diagnosed transgender was actually found to be suffering PTSD. On the right treatment, the patient has returned to their birth gender and is now doing far better than when they were transitioning. In such a situation, isn't the sin the psychiatrist's, as the patient is by definition of unsound mind?

 

 

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The disturbing part about transgender women being allowed to compete against women is how physically stronger they are even if they have female hormones now. If their body developed as an adult man they will have the bone density and muscle mass of a man. Imagine if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao decided to become a woman and compete against women. Men are not suppose to beat up women even if they dress up as one.

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The disturbing part about transgender women being allowed to compete against women is how physically stronger they are even if they have female hormones now. If their body developed as an adult man they will have the bone density and muscle mass of a man. Imagine if Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao decided to become a woman and compete against women. Men are not suppose to beat up women even if they dress up as one.

 

I find it difficult to express sympathy for a woman willing to get in the ring with a male just for a political statement.

 

God bless,

William

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I think think many of the women who fought "her" are not aware "she" was a man. Many of them actually complained that they allowed someone who not only born as a man but grew up as an adult man is legally allowed to fight women. If transgenders want to fight, they should have their own division. So there won't be any unfair disadvantages.

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