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Has Trump professed Christ?

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I was recently told that Trump stated he had been saved. If anyone has a source for this, I'd appreciate it.

 

If true, do you think it will make a difference in how he manages his new job? I still fear that his hands will be tied in many areas. I don't think a president can do all the things s/he wants to do or we want them to do, at least not within Constitutional parameters. I hope he does his best to do away with many executive orders and doesn't rely on them himself. We need to get back to following the Constitution.

 

Speaking of which, do you think the Constitution was divinely inspired?

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The only thing I remember from the election in regard to this is when James Dobson said that Trump was a Christian. There was no actual indication directly from Trump. Of course, as all ways in these cases it is between him and God. We just need to wait and see what fruit he bears once he is in office.

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He has claimed the Bible is his favorite book, and gave speeches at a couple evangelical universities. He's also flubbed Bible quotes and claimed he's never asked God for forgiveness, so his understanding of Christianity is certainly debatable, especially in view of his general well-documented behavior, in my opinion.

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I wondered if it were a case of posing for the crowd at hand at the moment. As Knotical said though, it really is between him and God. I was more curious as to the reference, since I couldn't recall any such proclamation. Of course, the election didn't have my undivided attention either. It is entirely possible that I could have missed it.

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Based on what I have read about Trump's words and actions I don't believe he is really a Christian, although it is possible that at sometime in the past he has made a profession of faith. I am praying that he will come to faith in Christ. His vice president, Mike Pence, is a Christian and I pray that he will be able to influence Trump in this area.

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I have heard that Donald Trump has, in fact, professed to know Christ publicly---and more than once! I am not one to judge, but from the opinions of strong like-minded believers of positive sound mind and spirit, it seems that his claim to Christ has been confirmed by a multitude of witnesses. This is always a good sign. Some such believers include Billy Graham's family.....

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Based on what I have read about Trump's words and actions I don't believe he is really a Christian, although it is possible that at sometime in the past he has made a profession of faith. I am praying that he will come to faith in Christ. His vice president, Mike Pence, is a Christian and I pray that he will be able to influence Trump in this area.

 

Well, it's hard to really know a person based on what the media projects. I don't begin to think I can judge whether or not he is really a Christian. I was wondering more about his profession of faith. Some seem to think it was just another campaign thing, while others believe he is sincere. This made me curious.

 

I am praying for him too. He is definitely going to need it.

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People in Germany are very confused about Mr. Trump. What we hear within our news sounds terryfiing and not biblical at all! What makes you think he might be a believer?

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People in Germany are very confused about Mr. Trump. What we hear within our news sounds terryfiing and not biblical at all! What makes you think he might be a believer?

 

Likewise, we hear about the rise in crime and sexual assaults in Germany from the refuge crisis. We also hear about Germany not contributing their fair share to the financial obligation for NATO. All of this makes Conservative Americans look towards Germany in hopes of not repeating its mistakes. A wise man once said, that to ignore history is to repeat the same mistakes. Liberals suppress the truth and ignore the past and is why we are beginning to look quite a lot like other nations some 50+ years ago. Personally, I think it absurd that our forefathers died on the shores of other nations just so their children could usher in the government which they fought against.

 

Some of the articles and news reports I have read are reporting:

  • Germany's migrant rape crisis has now spread to cities and towns in all 16 of Germany's federal states. Germany now finds itself in a vicious circle: most of the perpetrators are never found, and the few who are frequently receive lenient sentences. Only one in 10 rapes in Germany is reported and just 8% of rape trials result in convictions, according to Minister of Justice Heiko Maas.
  • Up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany in 2014 do not appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, the head of the Association of Criminal Police.
  • "There are strict instructions from the top not to report offenses committed by refugees. It is extraordinary that certain offenders are deliberately NOT being reported about and the information is being classified as confidential." -- High-ranking police official in Frankfurt, quoted in Bild.

Source: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8...-migrants-rape

 

Here in America the news is mostly run by the liberal party. From a Conservative/Republican standpoint things can't get much better. We are experiencing the aftermath - IMO from so many German migrants that propped up liberalism in America after the World War, these are the generations that follow. Most heavily populated liberal areas are from where the majority of German migrants took root. Our schools not only teach Evolution now but Social Darwinism and Post Modernism which Nazi Germany greatly contributed towards in combating Religion. This is why it is so important for this president to "reeducate" our youth and guide our nation's academic institutions.

 

As far as Trump being a believer I see no evidence of that. I only hear others claim such a thing. However, I am very pleased about the people Trump has picked to fill our party's seats. This is the most Christian admin in my lifetime. I believe God can use Trump, after all, God spoke through a Jackass in the past.

 

God bless,

William

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Thanks for your reply.

 

Yes, news are often somewhat "coloured". But please, please notice: BILD is worst yellow press, in Germany not usually cited.

That`s an interesting point: Mr. Trump choose many good people *thumps up*. I bet you feel blessed! Trumps decisions are good for inner american topics, are they?

 

We do not have a "rape crisis". There was New Years Eve in Cologne and other cities, which was really bad, but there are not significant more rapes. Crime in general rose slightly in absolute numbers, but not in percent (more people means more crime, everywhere, I`m afraid). The wast majority of refugees where shocked and condemmed those things, suggesting to sent thosepeople back to their countires. Most of these crimes are not confessed by people fleeing the syrain war, but from north african people searching their luck. They do not get german asylum, but will be sent back. There are two different groups!

 

2014 there was no mass immigration in Germany, this started in summer 2015. And I do think most of sexualt assaults are not reported - something I as a woman do not understand at all.

 

I going to find out what "liberal" means to Americans. From what your describe it sounds like our "left" and/ or "green" political spectrum.

 

And I`m a bit confused: Evolution is part of German biology lessons, while social darwinism or post modernsim would rather be found in religious lessons, which are parted in three different sections for pupils to choice: Lutherian, catholic or pure "ethic", for non-believers or non-christian believers. Is evolution teaching part of ethic teaching in the USA? Nazis tried to combat a lot of good things ... we are really looking for not letting them grow again!

 

I`m glad that "Dunkeldeutschland" (i.e. darkGermany, a new expression for the nazi-time) is over. What mistakes you are afraid Germany could repeat? Most people here agree with NATO. We have our pacifists, mostly left or "green" political spectrum.

 

Be belessed,

LittleRedRidinghood

 

 

 

 

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We do not have a "rape crisis". There was New Years Eve in Cologne and other cities, which was really bad, but there are not significant more rapes. Crime in general rose slightly in absolute numbers, but not in percent (more people means more crime, everywhere, I`m afraid). The wast majority of refugees where shocked and condemmed those things, suggesting to sent thosepeople back to their countires. Most of these crimes are not confessed by people fleeing the syrain war, but from north african people searching their luck. They do not get german asylum, but will be sent back. There are two different groups!

 

While "really bad" is subjective, I would say this was incredibly horrifying.

 

And I`m a bit confused: Evolution is part of German biology lessons, while social darwinism or post modernsim would rather be found in religious lessons, which are parted in three different sections for pupils to choice: Lutherian, catholic or pure "ethic", for non-believers or non-christian believers. Is evolution teaching part of ethic teaching in the USA? Nazis tried to combat a lot of good things ... we are really looking for not letting them grow again!

 

I would say this is exactly the kind of thing we Constitutional Republicans and Conservative Christians are against. To me, and I mean no offense, the only other thing worse than a political liberal is a theological liberal. And by that I mean the liberal party here goes so far as to suggest the Jesus would support abortion, and that our president dishonors God by pulling out of the Paris Accord. If anyone speaks against, we have someone like Pelosi that attempts to twist Jesus' teaching and say that we should not judge.

 

Here's a rant about American Liberalism: https://www.christforums.org/forum/g...about-liberals

 

God bless,

William

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Thanks, I`ll search that. 60 Hard truths ...

 

I do not feel offened. I am really interested in how political and other topics are seen from other points of view, trying to get Gods intention in the every-day-thing.

I don`t get the point: Where ist 3-parted religious teaching theological liberal?

 

Just to explain myself: I do believe every single word in the holy bible is true and God is to trust and follow and obey.

 

For Germany Angela Merkel is conservative. She protects christianity. Our far right party AfD - oh, Lord, have mercy! They seem smooth with condemning same sex marriages and some other points, but there is much Nazi stuff below the surface. With them leading Germany we could close all churches - the same with left wing and "green" spectrum. They vote for environment, but would destroy good family politics.

 

Of course Cologne was a catastrophe. We`ll never let that happen again.

 

See, we have a root of stupid politics, which made this possible: Because we do not want to be called Nazis again, police and army were held small over decades. This is changing now, but it will take time.

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Many persons have professed to be Christians but in spite of this type of revelation, they still do many things that are contrary to teachings of the faith. Trump may believe in Jesus but that belief may not necessarily equate to him behaving in a Christlike manner. He may be only going that way that his heart leads him to go and when he is making decisions his goal may only be to achieve a state of ascendancy whichever way it might come.

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A person, and I am referring to a Christ Follower, shows much about what he believes by who he allows to mentor himself.. Paula White has been reported to be a Christian mentor to President Trump, which concerns me greatly. Ms. White has been accused of having been in a relationship with Benny Hinn. Ms. White is a ordained Word Of Faith minister. Ms. White has questionable Orthodox Christian Theological of the Gospel IMO. I am uncertain that President Trump has made a genuine choice to become a Follower of Christ. I have no real knowledge to say one way or the other. I pray for my president Trump often.

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I am not sure about How Christian Trump is because he have some very controversial antics.

His daughter Ivanka though is not a Christian. She was a Christian by birth because of her parents. She converted to Judaism. The reason for her conversion is her husband. I am not sure though if Trump's other children are Christian. At least they are less liberal when it comes to issues like Abortion.

 

About Angela Merkel, I remember she is daughter of a preacher so she is one of the most conservative western leaders out there.

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I'd heard that during part of the campaigning that Trump met with several Christian leaders and prayed with them. Or they met with him and prayed with him. And he seemed to mellow some. He is very much God bless America and is far more Christian-sounding than the former Pres. I think he is a believer. But there are some things a President Can't say / do. I feel that he's doing the best he can under the circumstances.

 

The question has been asked as to whether the Constitution is inspired. Men felt 'inspired' to write it -- but it's not inspired as the Bible is.

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Only God knows president soul. I pray he seeks Gods will and he continues to have people pray over him as was done tis week again. Mr. Trump is doing that right. However Mr. Obama had the Muslim Brotherhood meet with him regularly and that was a wicked thing he did as well as MANY other things.

 

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I have heard that Donald Trump has, in fact, professed to know Christ publicly---and more than once! I am not one to judge, but from the opinions of strong like-minded believers of positive sound mind and spirit, it seems that his claim to Christ has been confirmed by a multitude of witnesses. This is always a good sign. Some such believers include Billy Graham's family.....

 

Any one can say they are a Christian. Only God can know a man.I may get some flake about what I am going to say.yet I say what is in my spirit . In this country we have a lot of freedoms. America is a capitalists country. It is a wealthy country which much ambition comes. What really motivates one to be president and sit in the most powerful seat in the world. The question is can one who claims to Christian sit in that seat.? Should a Christian even try to reach that seat. I tell you the word Christian has become a very loose word that can mean almost anything religious, and does not represent what it first stood fo.Today I would not call myself Christian because you would have no idea what I thought a Christian was. I cant get into all of this because I do not like long posts. But I want to talk about them .

 

So should Christian or so called Christian look to politics. What motivates that?. So we can keep living the good life? Can a believer sit in that office and uphold the laws of the land that fly in the face of God. Here is something that saddens me because I always had great respect for Billy Graham. In June last year SCOTUS made gay marriage legal in all states. Franklin Graham was appalled Still he went to Washington g to pray at Trumps inaugural . Everyone says God bless America. How in God's name can a spirit filled believer say God bless America. What we call Christian is be minimized daily. Respect For God. There is no respect for God yet believers still look to Babylon for president to uphold Christian ethics. Rev 18 says for Gods people to come out of her .

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The quote feature isn't working at the moment -- so -- referring to #18 -- A Christian = a Christ follower. Our V.P. is a believer -- he's said so and has no problem saying he is. We CAN ask God to Please Bless America. In our small town -- we Do have a Christian man who ran for Mayor and won. And he's doing a good job. We Do need to Pray for our President and his cabinet / V.P. Pence.

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The quote feature isn't working at the moment -- so -- referring to #18 -- A Christian = a Christ follower. Our V.P. is a believer -- he's said so and has no problem saying he is. We CAN ask God to Please Bless America. In our small town -- we Do have a Christian man who ran for Mayor and won. And he's doing a good job. We Do need to Pray for our President and his cabinet / V.P. Pence.

 

How do you ask God to bless America. America is not a Christian nation.. it is a nantion that honors many different faiths and Those who believers in Christ is just one of them. does that make all other faiths that do not accept Christ as savior and Lord of all a reason for God the Father to bless this nation? God blesses His church not nations or other faths.

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I'd heard that during part of the campaigning that Trump met with several Christian leaders and prayed with them. Or they met with him and prayed with him. And he seemed to mellow some. He is very much God bless America and is far more Christian-sounding than the former Pres. I think he is a believer. But there are some things a President Can't say / do. I feel that he's doing the best he can under the circumstances.

 

The question has been asked as to whether the Constitution is inspired. Men felt 'inspired' to write it -- but it's not inspired as the Bible is.

 

There were two things that bothered me about Trump before the election. 1) He never asks God for forgiveness. 2) The church he claimed to be a member of (Presbyterian) has no record of his membership but only his parents.

 

As far as others leading Trump to Christ. Man, wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard that. I mean there was that gal Paula White... and there were those guys Dobson, Graham, and Falwell. You get the picture :)

 

I have to admit, though I still would choose others before Trump. Trump has won my support. At least with Trump I can say he is a friendly and I do not question on which side he stands (Obama). The people surrounding Trump are probably the most Christian Administration in my life time.

 

God bless,

William

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There were two things that bothered me about Trump before the election. 1) He never asks God for forgiveness. 2) The church he claimed to be a member of (Presbyterian) has no record of his membership but only his parents.

 

As far as others leading Trump to Christ. Man, wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard that. I mean there was that gal Paula White... and there were those guys Dobson, Graham, and Falwell. You get the picture :)

 

I have to admit, though I still would choose others before Trump. Trump has won my support. At least with Trump I can say he is a friendly and I do not question on which side he stands (Obama). The people surrounding Trump are probably the most Christian Administration in my life time.

 

God bless,

William

 

Trump was never my favorite -- but since he surprised everyone by getting the nomination -- he Did get voted into office of President. And, yes, this IS the most Christian Admin. in my life time. He Did seem to change his tune a bit at one point. He's not a politician by nature and is a successful businessman. It Did concern me that he had the finances to 'buy' the Pres. --no special interest groups to appease because of their contributions.

 

No one really knows What to make of him. I'm glad that God IS in control. We have more and more opportunities to 'put our faith' in God.

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How do you ask God to bless America. America is not a Christian nation.. it is a nantion that honors many different faiths and Those who believers in Christ is just one of them. does that make all other faiths that do not accept Christ as savior and Lord of all a reason for God the Father to bless this nation? God blesses His church not nations or other faths.

 

Just curious. Do you have children? Do you have any invested interest in America's future? If so, are all your children believers? Do you dare pray or hesitate before a meal asking God for his blessing upon not only the meal but also for the people in your familial fellowship (believers and unbelievers)?

 

It is my prayers and like most other Christians that regeneration occurs within our nation. I pray that God not only regenerates others, but that he hears the cries of his people (abortion). We are not called out of the world, but to make a difference in the world. I do not see how you can stand there suggesting that politics is no place for a Christian, if anything politics needs Christians.

 

Look at the example you gave, you said SCOTUS declared law on behalf of the LGBT. We're now in position to protect our religious freedoms and even overturn Roe vs Wade. Do you not feel compelled at all to pray for us as a nation? - Titus 3:5

 

God bless,

William

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Any one can say they are a Christian. Only God can know a man.I may get some flake about what I am going to say.yet I say what is in my spirit . In this country we have a lot of freedoms. America is a capitalists country. It is a wealthy country which much ambition comes. What really motivates one to be president and sit in the most powerful seat in the world. The question is can one who claims to Christian sit in that seat.? Should a Christian even try to reach that seat. I tell you the word Christian has become a very loose word that can mean almost anything religious, and does not represent what it first stood fo.Today I would not call myself Christian because you would have no idea what I thought a Christian was. I cant get into all of this because I do not like long posts. But I want to talk about them .

 

So should Christian or so called Christian look to politics. What motivates that?. So we can keep living the good life? Can a believer sit in that office and uphold the laws of the land that fly in the face of God. Here is something that saddens me because I always had great respect for Billy Graham. In June last year SCOTUS made gay marriage legal in all states. Franklin Graham was appalled Still he went to Washington g to pray at Trumps inaugural . Everyone says God bless America. How in God's name can a spirit filled believer say God bless America. What we call Christian is be minimized daily. Respect For God. There is no respect for God yet believers still look to Babylon for president to uphold Christian ethics. Rev 18 says for Gods people to come out of her .

 

I think you confuse God's blessings with God condoning evil.

 

God bless,

William

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I think you confuse God's blessings with God condoning evil.

 

God bless,

William

 

God is not the author of evil, but men are full of it

 

 

 

 

 

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