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Is it time for Christians to BOYCOTT Office Depot for what it just did?

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Earl Hall

 

This week a woman said she feels like Office Depot “discriminated against” her after they refused to make copies of her pro-life prayer she ordered back in August.

 

Maria Goldstein, 42, says she ordered 500 copies of “A Prayer for the Conversion of Planned Parenthood” from a Chicago-based Office Depot. She had plans to distribute these at her church the following Sunday, according to the Chicago Tribune.

 

Rev. Frank Pavone is the author of the pro-life prayer, and its focus is on Planned Parenthood.

 

But Office Depot refused to make the copies for Goldstein.

 

Wait. You mean to tell me that a national chain can refuse to service a Christian, but a Christian cannot refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples — or bake a cake for a same-sex wedding? Do you see what’s going on in this country? We’re being forced to live in a society that is obviously against the Christian faith.

 

Am I wrong here?

 

As reported in The Blaze:

 

A spokeswoman for the retail giant, Karen Denning, told the Chicago Tribune company policy prohibits “the copying of any type of material that advocates any form of racial or religious discrimination or the persecution of certain groups of people. It also prohibits copying any type of copyrighted material.”

 

“The flier contained material that advocates the persecution of people who support abortion rights,” Denning reportedly added.

 

Goldstein, however, said the material wasn’t meant to persecute anyone, but instead change hearts.

 

“The intention of the prayer is to ask for conversion,” Goldstein told the Chicago Tribune. “The conversion of the staff, employees, everybody who is part of this at Planned Parenthood. It means they will recognize life has dignity and that it is valuable and not a commodity to be bought and sold.”

 

Sounds appropriate to me. Goldstein, understandably, said she felt “discriminated against.”

 

I have to wonder if we need to start making a list of left-leaning stores and encouraging our friends and family not to patronize them. Another store filled Goldstein’s order, and she now has an attorney asking Office Depot to reconsider its policy.

 

According to the Chicago Tribune, the lawyer said if Office Depot didn’t respond within five days, he would file a complaint with the Illinois Dept. of Human Rights and Cook County Human Rights Commission.

 

Goldstein is reported to have said, “The best resolution would be that they would say ‘This was unjust. You were discriminated against because of your religion’ and then admit this was wrong.”

 

“I’d appreciate them printing the flier. The statistics are still valid and the prayer is still valid.”

 

Turns out, Office Depot did come around on this, reversing its ban. As reported by WND:

 

Office Depot has reversed its ban on one of its stores making copies of a pro-life flyer for an Illinois woman who had complained she was turned away because of the Christian element, the company told WND in an email on Friday.

 

In a statement emailed from Karen Denning, a spokeswoman for Office Depot’s headquarters in Boca Raton, Florida, she said the company “has contacted Ms. Goldstein’s representative to explain that the store associate’s decision to decline a print order was in no way based on religious beliefs, but on the fact that it contained certain words and phrases that could be construed as graphic or advocates the persecution of groups of people, which is a violation of the company’s copy and print policy.”

 

However, she said, “Upon a more detailed review, we have determined that the content of Ms. Goldstein’s flyer is not a clear violation of the company’s policy.”

 

The statement included an invitation from company CEO Roland Smith to Maria Goldstein to return to have her work completed.

 

So the company has now backtracked, but is it too little too late? Why did this Christian have to hire an attorney just to get a simple flyer printed? Maybe she should get damages like the same-sex couple in Oregon who were refused a wedding cake by one bakery.

 

When we have to fight over a simple matter of what’s printed on a piece of paper, things have really gotten bad for this republic. This is just another case of our culture, led by our progressive left government, making it harder for Christians to simply live their faith. The problem here is that it seems immorality, in all of its forms, is becoming protected in this country. We can kill our unborn and sell their parts, make “real” girls have to share bathrooms with boys that simply wish they were a girl, and sanction the investigation of cops simply for doing their jobs.

 

And yet a Christian who wants a prayer flyer printed can’t be tolerated.

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Let me know how it works out. So far, they are still in business and it doesn't appear that any boycott is going to hurt them because they have a monopoly and because people have to buy paper and office products, a boycott isn't going to hurt them.

 

And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

 

http://biblehub.com/luke/16-9.htm

 

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

 

http://biblehub.com/luke/6-35.htm

 

But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

 

http://biblehub.com/galatians/5-15.htm

 

New International Version

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

© NIV

 

http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm

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Let me know how it works out. So far, they are still in business and it doesn't appear that any boycott is going to hurt them because they have a monopoly and because people have to buy paper and office products, a boycott isn't going to hurt them.

 

I'm curious. After being informed about a store's policy you learn that they support abortion. If you had the option of deciding between two different stores beforehand:

 

1) Store supports abortion

2) Store does not support abortion

 

Who would you decide to do business with, Chuck? Would this information affect your decision?

 

Here's another scenario:

 

1) Store's meat is scarified to an idol

2) Store's meat is not sacrificed to an idol

 

Would having knowledge of a store sacrificing meat to an idol affect your decision making?

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William,

 

The question is whether or not boycotts do anything.

 

While these sorts of campaigns are useful for expressing displeasure, they aren’t all that successful when it comes to changing a company’s policies. For example, one of the most widespread grassroots campaigns of recent years – the 2003 US boycott of French wines – quickly caused a 26% drop in sales, but had little long-term effect on either France’s wine industry or its politics. Within six months, says Larry Chavis, a professor of entrepreneurshipat the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “sales had returned to the same trajectory that they had been on before the boycott.”

 

http://www.theguardian.com/vital-sig...ists-consumers

 

I knew a church and a pastor that prayed about the issue for a year and it continued because there was no evidence that God did anything either. It continues out of the blackness of man's heart.

 

I have a question for you. Why didn't God remove the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Eating from it would cause spiritual death and alienation from God so why didn't God remove it?

 

If God doesn't remove it then why do you seek to remove things that cause evil?

 

Chuck

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William,

 

The question is whether or not boycotts do anything.

 

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/vital-sig...ists-consumers

 

I knew a church and a pastor that prayed about the issue for a year and it continued because there was no evidence that God did anything either. It continues out of the blackness of man's heart.

 

I have a question for you. Why didn't God remove the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Eating from it would cause spiritual death and alienation from God so why didn't God remove it?

 

If God doesn't remove it then why do you seek to remove things that cause evil?

 

Chuck

 

Didn't ask that. Just because you yourself can't put a store out of business or change the store's policy is irrelevant. My question is whether you will do business having knowledge before hand of such policy or action? We can only be informed. The purpose of this sub-forum is not to tell people what to do or convince them otherwise. It is to inform people of companies or stores that seemingly are at a conflict of interest which hopefully lead those bothered by such policy to seek alternatives. At least if a person is informed they can say they are making an informed decision. Don't lose your righteousness doing business with the world system. That's the message I walk away with from this sub-forum. If a person doesn't want to be informed then don't read this sub-forum. Ignorance is bliss to a degree, and if this sub-forum bothers you to the degree others are bothered by the policies of some companies or stores, don't ask don't tell.

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Didn't ask that. Just because you yourself can't put a store out of business is irrelevant. My question is whether you will do business having knowledge before hand of such policy or action? We can only be informed. The purpose of this sub-forum is not to tell people what to do or convince them otherwise. It is to inform people of companies or stores that seemingly are at a conflict of interest which hopefully lead those bothered by such policy to seek alternatives. At least if a person is informed they can say they are making an informed decision. Don't lose your righteousness doing business with the world system. That's the message I walk away with from this sub-forum. If a person doesn't want to be informed then don't read this sub-forum. Ignorance is bliss to a degree, and if this sub-forum bothers you to the degree others are bothered by the policies of some companies or stores, don't ask don't tell.

 

The question is really, do you really want to leave this world to accomplish what you are asking?

 

Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

 

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/5-10.htm

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The question is really, do you really want to leave this world to accomplish what you are asking?

 

Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

 

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/5-10.htm

 

Do you ever address a response to you directly? Do you think I am trying to snare you?

 

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Office Depot has reversed its ban on one of its stores making copies of a pro-life flyer

 

 

I don't shop at Office Depot. Even I needed office supplies, I'd probably go to Sam's Club. But, why boycott a business that has already changed it's offending policy? That just sends the message that there's no point in a business changing its offending policies.

 

Christians should be very mindful of where they spend their money, as we're voting with those dollars for what we support.

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But, why boycott a business that has already changed it's offending policy?

 

The issue appears as an isolated incident involving one store, though the spokes person sided with the associate that determined the work was discriminatory. She did receive a personal invitation from the CEO of the company after Goldstein hired an attorney. Whether I would boycott the company based on this incident is unclear, but I can say I would feel better about going elsewhere.

 

God bless,

William

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Earl Hall

 

This week a woman said she feels like Office Depot “discriminated against” her after they refused to make copies of her pro-life prayer she ordered back in August.

 

Maria Goldstein, 42, says she ordered 500 copies of “A Prayer for the Conversion of Planned Parenthood” from a Chicago-based Office Depot. She had plans to distribute these at her church the following Sunday, according to the Chicago Tribune.

 

Rev. Frank Pavone is the author of the pro-life prayer, and its focus is on Planned Parenthood.

 

But Office Depot refused to make the copies for Goldstein.

 

Wait. You mean to tell me that a national chain can refuse to service a Christian, but a Christian cannot refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples — or bake a cake for a same-sex wedding? Do you see what’s going on in this country? We’re being forced to live in a society that is obviously against the Christian faith.

 

Am I wrong here?

 

As reported in The Blaze:

 

A spokeswoman for the retail giant, Karen Denning, told the Chicago Tribune company policy prohibits “the copying of any type of material that advocates any form of racial or religious discrimination or the persecution of certain groups of people. It also prohibits copying any type of copyrighted material.”

 

“The flier contained material that advocates the persecution of people who support abortion rights,” Denning reportedly added.

 

Goldstein, however, said the material wasn’t meant to persecute anyone, but instead change hearts.

 

“The intention of the prayer is to ask for conversion,” Goldstein told the Chicago Tribune. “The conversion of the staff, employees, everybody who is part of this at Planned Parenthood. It means they will recognize life has dignity and that it is valuable and not a commodity to be bought and sold.”

 

Sounds appropriate to me. Goldstein, understandably, said she felt “discriminated against.”

 

I have to wonder if we need to start making a list of left-leaning stores and encouraging our friends and family not to patronize them. Another store filled Goldstein’s order, and she now has an attorney asking Office Depot to reconsider its policy.

 

According to the Chicago Tribune, the lawyer said if Office Depot didn’t respond within five days, he would file a complaint with the Illinois Dept. of Human Rights and Cook County Human Rights Commission.

 

Goldstein is reported to have said, “The best resolution would be that they would say ‘This was unjust. You were discriminated against because of your religion’ and then admit this was wrong.”

 

“I’d appreciate them printing the flier. The statistics are still valid and the prayer is still valid.”

 

Turns out, Office Depot did come around on this, reversing its ban. As reported by WND:

 

Office Depot has reversed its ban on one of its stores making copies of a pro-life flyer for an Illinois woman who had complained she was turned away because of the Christian element, the company told WND in an email on Friday.

 

In a statement emailed from Karen Denning, a spokeswoman for Office Depot’s headquarters in Boca Raton, Florida, she said the company “has contacted Ms. Goldstein’s representative to explain that the store associate’s decision to decline a print order was in no way based on religious beliefs, but on the fact that it contained certain words and phrases that could be construed as graphic or advocates the persecution of groups of people, which is a violation of the company’s copy and print policy.”

 

However, she said, “Upon a more detailed review, we have determined that the content of Ms. Goldstein’s flyer is not a clear violation of the company’s policy.”

 

The statement included an invitation from company CEO Roland Smith to Maria Goldstein to return to have her work completed.

 

So the company has now backtracked, but is it too little too late? Why did this Christian have to hire an attorney just to get a simple flyer printed? Maybe she should get damages like the same-sex couple in Oregon who were refused a wedding cake by one bakery.

 

When we have to fight over a simple matter of what’s printed on a piece of paper, things have really gotten bad for this republic. This is just another case of our culture, led by our progressive left government, making it harder for Christians to simply live their faith. The problem here is that it seems immorality, in all of its forms, is becoming protected in this country. We can kill our unborn and sell their parts, make “real” girls have to share bathrooms with boys that simply wish they were a girl, and sanction the investigation of cops simply for doing their jobs.

 

And yet a Christian who wants a prayer flyer printed can’t be tolerated.

This country is not against the Christian Faith, if anything, it supports it. We talk of being persecuted, and hated by the media, but, the funny thing is, 60-70% of the USA is Christian/Catholic, so I don't see why we make these claims. It is not time for us to Boycott anything, okay, so what, Office Depot wouldn't do something for a woman. In the big realm of things, it doesn't mean much, just have the woman print it somewhere else. I can see why this would come off as a bit... Offensive, but some companies don't want to associate with Christianity, and that's perfectly fine. When things like this happen, we have to try and look at the bigger picture, perhaps it wasn't in God's plan for her to make copies of it at Office Depot. Or, perhaps it's mere coincidence.

 

There's a difference between telling a religion/spiritual belief "Sorry, we don't want to be affiliated with you", and telling a person who is homosexual "Sorry, we don't serve people who are attracted to the same-sex"

 

 

I do think, that companies should be a bit less strict on the policy though.

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I think it's reasonable to not shop at a store that discriminates against customers, based on their religion, yes.

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This country is not against the Christian Faith, if anything, it supports it.

 

Not.

 

some companies don't want to associate with Christianity, and that's perfectly fine. ... There's a difference between telling a religion/spiritual belief "Sorry, we don't want to be affiliated with you", and telling a person who is homosexual "Sorry, we don't serve people who are attracted to the same-sex"

 

You think it's okay for a company to refuse service to Christians but you don't think it's okay for company to refuse to play a role in a same-sex wedding.

 

 

I think that says it all.

 

 

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60-70% of the USA is Christian/Catholic,

60-70% of the USA may claim to be Christian but if you look at what they actually believe and how they live I think you will find that the actual number is much lower.

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This country is not against the Christian Faith, if anything, it supports it. We talk of being persecuted, and hated by the media, but, the funny thing is, 60-70% of the USA is Christian/Catholic, so I don't see why we make these claims. It is not time for us to Boycott anything, okay, so what, Office Depot wouldn't do something for a woman. In the big realm of things, it doesn't mean much, just have the woman print it somewhere else. I can see why this would come off as a bit... Offensive, but some companies don't want to associate with Christianity, and that's perfectly fine. When things like this happen, we have to try and look at the bigger picture, perhaps it wasn't in God's plan for her to make copies of it at Office Depot. Or, perhaps it's mere coincidence.

 

There's a difference between telling a religion/spiritual belief "Sorry, we don't want to be affiliated with you", and telling a person who is homosexual "Sorry, we don't serve people who are attracted to the same-sex"

 

 

I do think, that companies should be a bit less strict on the policy though.

:)

But there exists a double standard politically speaking, when it comes to issues like this. Christians are turned away for business and no one bats an eye, but if a Muslim were turned away, we would be hearing about it 24/7 on Fox news. lol

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But there exists a double standard politically speaking, when it comes to issues like this. Christians are turned away for business and no one bats an eye, but if a Muslim were turned away, we would be hearing about it 24/7 on Fox news. lol

 

I shall say it again, 60-70% of the country IS Christian, not "claims to be" IS.

 

Many people just do what God said, they pray in the closet with the door closed, so to speak. They don't announce it to the world, but they are most likely much more Christian than you'd think.

 

 

Heck, Obama is a Christian. Tons of people are Christians in the United States, our country was founded upon Christianity, we still say "And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible for liberty and justice for all" you see that? Under God.

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I shall say it again, 60-70% of the country IS Christian, not "claims to be" IS.

 

Many people just do what God said, they pray in the closet with the door closed, so to speak. They don't announce it to the world, but they are most likely much more Christian than you'd think.

 

 

Heck, Obama is a Christian. Tons of people are Christians in the United States, our country was founded upon Christianity, we still say "And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible for liberty and justice for all" you see that? Under God.

 

I am not going to try to convince you about whether Obama is a Christian or not. I will say, his beliefs and actions are very much contrary to the Christian worldview. Here's a video of Obama mocking the Christian faith and the Bible. Perhaps you align with his views, but they hard to swallow for most Christians.

 

 

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I shall say it again, 60-70% of the country IS Christian, not "claims to be" IS.

 

If "Christian" means anyone who calls themselves a Christian, then yes, most Americans are Christian. But, my definition of a Christian doesn't depend on what anyone calls themselves, but whether or not they follow Christ. And, it's difficult for me to see how someone is following Christ when they advocate government oppression of Christians or they idolize a country with a government that treats Christian speech worse than pornography.

 

Most Americans claim to be Christian but given what Jesus said about narrow is the way, Jesus will tell most people who call themselves Christians, "I never knew you, depart from me ye who are working lawlessness." Someone's relationship with God is ultimately between them and God, but it's my business whom I consider to be Christian. I'm slow to disagree with anyone's claim of being a Christian, but there's a line after which it would be crass for me to continue to think of someone as a Christian. Support of SSM is such a line. Such a person I would not welcome into my home nor attend a church that welcomes a vocal SSM-supporter as a member. To deny that something is a sin when it's clearly identified as a sin by scripture is such a line; it's a rejection of biblical authority and Christ's word and values. And, the tyranny and immorality of SSM-supporters is a secular reason to reject fellowship with them.

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If "Christian" means anyone who calls themselves a Christian, then yes, most Americans are Christian. But, my definition of a Christian doesn't depend on what anyone calls themselves, but whether or not they follow Christ
Talking about hitting the nail on the head. There is more to being a Christian than simply using the designation.
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If "Christian" means anyone who calls themselves a Christian, then yes, most Americans are Christian. But, my definition of a Christian doesn't depend on what anyone calls themselves, but whether or not they follow Christ. And, it's difficult for me to see how someone is following Christ when they advocate government oppression of Christians or they idolize a country with a government that treats Christian speech worse than pornography.

 

Most Americans claim to be Christian but given what Jesus said about narrow is the way, Jesus will tell most people who call themselves Christians, "I never knew you, depart from me ye who are working lawlessness." Someone's relationship with God is ultimately between them and God, but it's my business whom I consider to be Christian. I'm slow to disagree with anyone's claim of being a Christian, but there's a line after which it would be crass for me to continue to think of someone as a Christian. Support of SSM is such a line. Such a person I would not welcome into my home nor attend a church that welcomes a vocal SSM-supporter as a member. To deny that something is a sin when it's clearly identified as a sin by scripture is such a line; it's a rejection of biblical authority and Christ's word and values. And, the tyranny and immorality of SSM-supporters is a secular reason to reject fellowship with them.

 

But alas, did you not see what I had said?

 

Many pray in the closet with the door closed.

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I am not going to try to convince you about whether Obama is a Christian or not. I will say, his beliefs and actions are very much contrary to the Christian worldview. Here's a video of Obama mocking the Christian faith and the Bible. Perhaps you align with his views, but they hard to swallow for most Christians.

 

 

 

Yes, but everyone has faults.

He is, a Christian. He believes in God, and Jesus Christ our lord and savior. He has been a blessing to this country, God used him to bless this country with free healthcare, a step closer to rights for LGBT, he has been a blessing, and for that I thank God.

 

You think HE isn't a Christian? Look at trump, look at the horrid things he says about people, yet HE is a Christian. Goes to show, God's grace is not bound by anything.

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Yes, but everyone has faults.

He is, a Christian. He believes in God, and Jesus Christ our lord and savior. He has been a blessing to this country, God used him to bless this country with free healthcare, a step closer to rights for LGBT, he has been a blessing, and for that I thank God.

 

You think HE isn't a Christian? Look at trump, look at the horrid things he says about people, yet HE is a Christian. Goes to show, God's grace is not bound by anything.

 

I think more or less Obama is a liberal Muslim, and will say anything to deceive the infidel. I never said Trump was a Christian. But I find it hard to believe that someone can call Obama Christian. Christians that voted for Obama helped put a baby murderer in office, as well as someone that destroyed the sanctity of marriage.

 

Back on topic. This is about boycotting a company that discriminates against Christians.

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God used him to bless this country with free healthcare, a step closer to rights for LGBT, he has been a blessing, and for that I thank God.
Sure it was God's will??????? If you think healthcare is free you are sadly mistaken. Someone has to pay for it.

 

You think HE isn't a Christian?
Nope! Not even close.

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Sure it was God's will??????? If you think healthcare is free you are sadly mistaken. Someone has to pay for it.

 

Nope! Not even close.

 

 

The taxpayers are on the hook for billions of dollars to pay insurance premiums and expanded medicaid. And, ironically, Obamacare is also costing a lot of working class people a lot of money, such as when some employers dump traditional insurance because employees can get high-deductible Obamacare which doesn't cover basic medical expenses, or when employers provide insurance they can raise the premiums because employees are required to buy it or pay a tax penalty. Obamacare raises medical costs for all Americans because by throwing money at the insurance and medical industries, outrageous insurance and medical costs become even higher. "Free stuff" from the government is a major reason why third-world countries are poor.

 

Liberals care about people like a dog owner cares about dogs. Yeah, free food and vet visits, but you're still a dog to them, to be kept on a leash.

 

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I think more or less Obama is a liberal Muslim, and will say anything to deceive the infidel. I never said Trump was a Christian. But I find it hard to believe that someone can call Obama Christian. Christians that voted for Obama helped put a baby murderer in office, as well as someone that destroyed the sanctity of marriage.

I agree.But, ignorance is sometimes bliss. Many people these days get their news from sound bytes and social media, sadly. I don't blame Obama, I blame how lazy and complacent most voters have become, that they will vote for someone whom they know very little about, because he 'sounds' convincing.

 

 

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When I look at this type of situation, I can't help but think they should have printed the woman's prayers and let it be. It doesn't make sense to refuse service to anyone based on their religious belief. It's even crazier because it's a double standard considering what's going on in Mississippi.

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