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    Greetings my fellow Christian brothers and sisters,

    I love to speak the truth and I have very serious questions that I think many believers would like to know the answer to. Can you tell me please why does God's word promise so much and yet fulfils so very little to nothing in the lives of many devout Christians, in terms of, for example: long life, health, peace, joy and happiness, etc? Instead, I've seen many atheists who live very healthy, prosperous and happy lives and they obviously don't believe in keeping God's commandments. Doesn't the Bible lose credibility in this way? Isn't this part of the reason why many people don't take God, His commandments or the Bible seriously?

    In other words, why do not all devout Christians live long lives and have optimum health as countless scriptures promise, such as: Psalms 84; 90, 91; 103; Pr 10:27, etc.

    Here is an example: Psalm 91: Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling, no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. You will tread on the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. “Because he loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.”

    The promise of blessings, including: protection, happiness, healing, long-life and prosperity is not just in the Old Testament (Ex 20:12; Dt 5:16; Ps 34:12-16), but reaffirmed in the New Testament (Eph 6:2-3; 1 Pe 3:9-10).

    My mother and I both repented, lived holy lives, with clean hands and pure hearts. God was first love and first priority. We prayed for at least 3 hours each and every day, and studied the Bible for at least 1 hour every day. Prayer was the very first thing in the morning. Our faith was very strong. We strove to obey God's commandments, including keeping the Sabbath day holy. We attended Sabbath services. We served God. Preached the true gospel. We both practiced abstinence, self-sacrifice and self-discipline, so we didn't spend money on holidays, restaurants or other pleasures. We were truly faithful disciples of Christ, by striving to live according to His word. Out of the little that we had, we donated money to charities and helped homeless people. We were never ever involved in occultism. My mother was totally faithful to my father in marriage, although he was very abusive towards her. Although, she forgave him many times, the abuse didn't stop. On the contrary, the more she forgave, the worse the abuse became. It reached a point where she had no choice but to divorce him. From then on, my mother never remarried. She lived the life of a widow for twenty years. We lived a very modest and quiet life. We practiced celibacy and sexual abstinence. Our lives resembled those of nuns. My mother was very protective of me and she taught me to pray since I was two years of age. While parents usually read fairy tale stories to their children, I slept with the Bible under my pillow, which I took with me to the private school that my mother enrolled me in, and I learned about God. We put so much faith and trust in God and I feel like He has really let us down.

    The verses in Psalm 103:1-5 state: "Praise the Lord, my soul; all my inmost being, praise his holy name. Praise the Lord, my soul, and forget not all his benefits—who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion, who satisfies your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s. The Lord works righteousness and justice for all the oppressed."

    My mother suffered from colorectal cancer which spread to her liver and kidneys, heart failure, pulmonary edema and anaemia, including numerous other medical issues. I was completely shocked, devastated and heartbroken when my mother passed away at an early age, and I read her long medical report, which went on and on. She was in terrible pain and had near fatal falls on a few occasions. Despite praying to God continuously, from early morning until late at night, with fasting and begging for my mother to be healed, my prayers returned unanswered. The more I prayed and fasted, the worse her health became. It deteriorated so much that she was bed-ridden for one year and couldn't see the light of day. None of these illnesses run on my mother's side of the family. We both took care of our health by drinking fruit and vegetable juices, exercising and more importantly, absolutely NO smoking, drugs or alcohol. While other people were celebrating Mother's Day with gifts like cakes, chocolates and flowers, as well as dining with their mothers at restaurants or taking them on luxury cruises, my mother was in the morgue awaiting cremation.

    God's people are plagued by an entire series of extremely serious illnesses—including a number of leading people directly involved in the work. During the 1980's there was a huge number of ministers wives that were stricken. It has always been a fact that wives of so many ministers and church leaders have been stricken by cancer.

    In 2016, Cornerstone Contact Centre pastor Don Cameron died at the age of 45 years, after a battle with cancer.

    Jeffery Largent, pastor of Culver flock passed away in 2016, at the age of 59 years, after his second battle with cancer.

    Church of the Highlands Greystone Campus Pastor Keith Lindsey passed away in 2016 after a lengthy battle with cancer.

    Kara Tippetts, wife of PCA church pastor Jason Tippetts of Westside Church, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, is a devout Christian mother of four, who had stage-four breast cancer and passed away at the age of 38, in 2015, after a long battle.

    In 2014, Steve Hill, the evangelist of the Brownsville Revival, passed away at his Alabama home Sunday after fighting a long battle with cancer. He was 60 years old.

    LaKisha died in 2014, at the age of 40 after an 18-month battle with breast cancer. She was the wife of Pastor Breonus Mitchell of Greater Grace Temple Community Church.

    A Wesleyan pastor, Daniel “Danny” Eiler, age 30, passed away in 2014, after battling leukemia. He served as senior pastor of The Springs Community Church in Ringgold, Georgia.

    David Landrith, senior pastor of Long Hollow Baptist Church in Hendersonville, died at age 51. Landrith was diagnosed with an extremely rare and aggressive form of cancer known as colorectal melanoma in 2013.

    In 2009, founder and pastor of Victory Christian Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Billy Joe Daugherty's battle with cancer took a turn for the worse as he fought an infection at Houston's M.D. Anderson Hospital. He passed away at the age of 57 years.

    The list goes on and on ...

    Living Church of God - Joplin, Missouri pastor Karl Beyersdorfer killed himself on 5/27/2016.

    Others who committed suicide in the Worldwide Church of God are mentioned in the below article:

    Suicide Statisics

    The following verses refer to believers in Christ Jesus:

    Mark 16:17-18 - And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

    The following link displays an article on miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves:

    Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves

    The list goes on and on.

    The verse in Exodus 20:12 states: “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you. It is reaffirmed in the New Testament in: Ephesians 6:2-3 - “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—“so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”

    During my lifetime, I've seen mothers who honoured their parents and yet lived short lives, like my mother who honored both her parents and grandparents. On the other hand, mothers who dishonoured their parents and yet lived to ripe old ages of over 80 years of age. There are even criminals, such as serial killers, rapists and paedophiles who live long lives on the earth. While at the same time, a shocking number of innocent people are sentenced to death. One of the ways in which we honor our parents is by having a clean criminal record.

    Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, "tells you that a surprising number of innocent people are sentenced to death," Samuel R. Gross, the lead author, said in an interview with Newsweek. "It tells you that a lot of them haven't been exonerated. Some of them no doubt have been executed." The headline on newsweek.com is "One in 25 sentenced to death in the U.S. is innocent, study claims."

    Do all these convicted criminals deserve to live and my mother who was a godly, holy, righteous mother deserve to die, along with all these other devout Christians?

    Charles Manson, the convicted American serial killer is still alive today at the age of 82 years. Charles Albright, known as the eyeball killer, is 83 years. The nurse Jane Toppan, a serial killer, lived to be 81 years of age. Edward Theodore Gein was an American murderer and body snatcher. He died at the age of 78 years. Ian Brady, the child killer is 78 years. Robert Hansen, the serial killer died at the age of 75 years. Dennis Rader is 71 years of age. Phillip Jablonski, another serial killer is 70 years of age, and the list goes on and on. Incarcerated criminals enjoy the fresh air and sunshine with fitness and recreational activities, including sports, gym, pool tables and so forth. These prisons are more like holiday resorts.

    Charles Manson, the ringleader of the killer cult still remains unrepentant even at the ripe old age of 82 years, just like many other criminals. I'm puzzled as to why God allowed all these criminals to live long lives. Was He waiting for them to turn to Him and repent? But God has foreknowledge. We find instead, that they committed more and more crimes, while growing old without any sign of remorse?

    Psalm 91:16 states: "With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.” This verse is supposed to be referring to devout believers. Instead, we see that the criminals are the ones who are living long lives. Why would God want to satisfy scum of the earth with long lives?

    If God made us for a reason and that is to begin a relationship with, serve and obey Him, then why doesn't He grant long lives to those devout Christians who do good deeds. It is God who decides when we are born and how long we live according to:

    Psalm 139:16: "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

    God is the one who planned the days of our lives in advance, choosing the exact time of our birth and death. This goes for criminals too, as well as many famous atheists who have lived to ripe old ages including: Diana Athill (99), Katharine Hepburn (96), Baba Amte (94), Uri Avnery (93), Julius Axelrod (92), Marlene Dietrich (91), Kai Nielsen (90), Henry Burstow (90), Jorge Amado (89), Eric Ambler (89), Tom Lehrer (88), James Randi (88), Paul Kurtz (87), Edward O. Wilson (87), Larry Adler (87), Mary Adams (86), Jemima Blackburn (86), Michael Martin (84), Philip Roth (83), Steven Weinberg (83), Victor Stenger (81), Robert Altman (81), Woody Allen (81), and many others.

    The verse in Isaiah 30:18 states that the Lord is a God of justice. "Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; therefore he will rise up to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for him!" Where is the justice? I'm absolutely appalled and disgusted by the injustice not only in the Christian community, but in the world today.

    Many devout believers have been martyred who were very faithful to God, like Stephen and all of the twelve apostles who died as martyrs during the first century, with the exception of John, the writer of the Gospel with his name and the Book of Revelation who died a natural death, at 94 years of age, close to the year 100 A.D.

    A report issued by a Christian organization fighting religious persecution states that a Christian is killed for his or her faith every five minutes across the world. It has escalated dramatically over the centuries, with more Christian martyrs in the 20th and 21st centuries than in the preceding 19 centuries — going back to Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry. The situation is only getting worse.

    Over 75% of Christians persecuted in North Korea who are subjected to torture, imprisonment and all sorts of punishment do not survive to tell their stories.

    Currently, more than 200 million Christians around the world are threatened because of their faith. Is God pleased with martyrdom? Does it give Him satisfaction to see many Christians martyred for their faith. Does God consider it a sacrifice that brings glory and honour to Him, thereby pleasing and acceptable?


    Thank you.

    God bless you,
    Rachel Henderson

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    It sounds like you may have already made up your mind. I am sorry for your pain, I have suffered great injustice, abuse, trauma, as well. But the whole concept of Christianity is life, health, and prosperity in the hereafter for undeserving sinners. If you truly want the answer, keep reading your bible and praying that the Holy Spirit will show you the awesome truth. There is a purpose to our suffering if we are truly in Christ. Without having a repentant heart that grieves over sin, more than anything, and placing all our faith in Christ, we miss the grand scheme behind this seen world. I will be praying to that end for you and post some verses after I get up. I just woke up. Lol :)
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    • #3
      Hi Rachel, welcome to Christ Forums! I am just a simple man and won't be able to answer all your questions. However, I will attempt to answer some of them, one at a time, by giving mostly biblical responses. There are many here who are more knowledgeable than I and they may contribute as well.

      Originally posted by Rachel Henderson View Post
      Greetings my fellow Christian brothers and sisters,

      I love to speak the truth and I have very serious questions that I think many believers would like to know the answer to. Can you tell me please why does God's word promise so much and yet fulfils so very little to nothing in the lives of many devout Christians, in terms of, for example: long life, health, peace, joy and happiness, etc? Instead, I've seen many atheists who live very healthy, prosperous and happy lives and they obviously don't believe in keeping God's commandments. Doesn't the Bible lose credibility in this way? Isn't this part of the reason why many people don't take God, His commandments or the Bible seriously?
      Regarding long life, health, and happiness, the devout Christian learns to be content with such things as he has and is given, for we are just as vapors (Philippians 4:11, Hebrews 13:5 James 4:14). As far as joy and peace go, in Christ they abound (John 14:27, John 14:2, 1 Peter 1:8-9). Rachel, this is important to remember: God does not ensure that the path a follower of Christ walks is free of hardship, suffering, or persecution. He says we must take up our crosses and die daily if we wish to follow him (Luke 9:23) and that no servant is greater than his master (John 15:20). Don't let this alarm you though. God has given the Christian victory in Jesus (John 16:33)! Once a person accepts Jesus as their savior they receive the promise that they are never alone (Joshua 1:9) and their perspective changes, setting their eyes on somewhere else (2 Corinthians 5:8 John 14, John 18:36).

      As far as I have come to understand when we do as God commands, leading a life of love, there are usually blessings to be reaped (Galatians 6:7-9). The truth however is we won't always be obedient. Even so, God still chooses to bless us and love us (Romans 5:8, Matthew 5:45). When we hear prophets such as Jeremiah, proverbs of Solomon or songs of David speak of blessings, the common view that I hold is that these speak of truths in general and not promises for every situation and every person (that's a whole different discussion however). I would very much like to suggest the reading of 1 Peter.

      God Bless, talk to you soon. Probably won't be on the next two days.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rachel Henderson View Post
        Can you tell me please why does God's word promise so much and yet fulfils so very little to nothing in the lives of many devout Christians, in terms of, for example: long life, health, peace, joy and happiness, etc? Instead, I've seen many atheists who live very healthy, prosperous and happy lives and they obviously don't believe in keeping God's commandments. Doesn't the Bible lose credibility in this way? Isn't this part of the reason why many people don't take God, His commandments or the Bible seriously?
        A hard topic for a first post.

        I guess, let's start with a "Hello and welcome."

        [sigh] Pleasantries out of the way, let's talk about the other side. I came to Christ through atheism via gangs and nihilism. My reality was children thrown away by their parents, prowling with dead, soulless eyes, in a world in which no one lived past age 21. I have no knowledge of this world of long lived evil that you speak of. That was not my world of unbelief.

        My world had rules, just like your world did/does.
        1. Get them before they get you.
        2. It isn't a crime to steal, it is a crime to get caught.
        3. The one who dies with the most toys, wins.
        4. Rules were made to be broken.
        5. You are born cold, wet and naked; then things go downhill from there.
        6. There is no one you can count on but yourself.
        7. God is just a crutch for the weak.
        8. Everyone dies, deal with it.

        You sound in your post like you are wondering if the grass is greener on the other side. Welcome to the other side.
        Nothing you do will ultimately matter, because there is nothing after this life and precious little to look forward to in this life.
        That's why drugs are popular, they dull the pain for a while.
        Get used to feeling alone, because on this side, you are. You have to watch your back 24/7/365 because someone else is going to come sniffing around for a piece of whatever you have. If they think that you are weak, then they will take it. If they try, then you need to be ready to do whatever it takes to defend your pile of crap ... it might be crap, but it is your crap.
        You know all those tear-jerker movies like "Hope Floats", well forget them. There is no hope.

        It isn't all bad. You don't need to be afraid of death any more. Death isn't the end of life, life ended long ago. Death is just the end of pain. The only reason to avoid it is because it means that you lost the game. It was the only chip you had in the game.

        Everyone that I was in a gang with is dead. There is nothing and no one to go back to the old neighborhood to visit. I was the oldest of three brothers, my youngest brother was murdered and my middle brother committed suicide. Even the person who originally shared the gospel with me, abandoned his wife and children to move to Massachusetts and marry his partner to become a Gay Activist. Welcome to the other side. Still interested in taking a shot at living without God?

        So let's talk about MY contract with God. I was not 'looking' to be saved. I had tried church and written off Christ along with the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause and other childhood fairy tales. I was 17 years old facing the reality that sometime between age 18 and 21 I would die in a drug deal gone bad, or a suicide by cop or I would simply disappear into prison to spend the rest of my life fighting or getting raped. I had chosen another option. The Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma City Bombing) option. I chose a murder-suicide. That is what I brought to the table when the Great I Am knocked me on my kiester - less than a year before I planned on detonatong a bomb to kill about 5000 people including myself.

        God did not promise me that I would never get sick.
        God did not promise me that everything would always go my way and life would be easy.
        God did not even promise that I would be happy.

        God promised an even exchange ... everything that I have for everything that He has.
        1. If I would give God my death (which was my current plan), then he would give me a new life (His life).
        2. If I would give him my despair, he would give me His hope.
        3. My past, His future.
        4. My hate, His love.
        5. My worry, His peace.
        6. My loneliness ... He would never leave me or forsake me.

        Now his word had some warnings for me:
        * People hated him and they were going to hate me.
        * He suffered and I will suffer.
        * While I am in the world, I will have trouble.

        BUT ...
        * Not more than I can take (no matter how it feels)
        * I am not in it alone
        * He will see me through and make things right when I get home ... this is not home.

        So respectfully, no thanks.
        I have no desire to take a walk back on the other side.
        To live 87 pointless, purposeless, hopeless years alone, without God, and without His Love to guide me.

        [That said, I get it. It really, really hurts some times. I still miss my brother, my wife has a degenerative spine condition, and we have an Asperger's Daughter. Some days I remind God that it isn't NECESSARY to make sure that I have the maximum load that I can carry. ;) ]
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          Powerful testimony Brother
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          • #6
            Praying for you, Rachel, as you grieve. Believe me, I understand anguish and have my days where I question what the Lord is doing.
            Looking at the scriptures you listed, remember first to read them with the intended original audience in mind. This helps with understanding their meaning. The Old Testament was mainly written to Israel, and they as a people, have suffered many trials but they understood that there was a future promised Messiah. For example: Psalm 84:6 "As they pass through the Valley of Baka,
            they make it a place of springs;" It's illustrating a principle, if you're truly seeking God, not easy circumstances, He can turn a barren valley into a valley of springs, in a spiritual sense.
            I'd encourage you to look at Mark 10:17-31 where Jesus gets to the heart of the issue, as He always does. (I Samuel 16:7) In Mark 10 the man who is rich in material things asks Jesus what he must do to get eternal life. He says he has obeyed all the commandments, but Jesus pinpoints the problem. The man was focused on this world, and when Jesus challenged him at the heart of his materialism, (I'm not saying that you are being materialistic, necessarily in wanting to acquire wealth) but the principle still applies. He was focused on prosperity in THIS world and Jesus wants Him to give it up and follow Him, for the real "treasure": the kingdom of God.
            Sadly Israel, as a whole, did what our fallen sin nature tends to do. When their Messiah came, Jesus "Yeshua", they were looking for a material kingdom, a "NOW" kingdom and so they missed the eternal one in Christ, who will establish His future kingdom on earth. (Isaiah 53)
            There is a point to which we all must come in suffering, as Job did, where we just have to admit that we are not God and we just cannot understand all He is doing. Let Him be God. He can see it all, from beginning to end, and outside of time, and He knows best. It is hard to accept, but if you can accept it in faith, through the Holy Spirit, if you are in Christ, then it brings great peace. You can let go of figuring it all out, like I am myself, trying to do.
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            • #7
              What can be longer life then eternity

              Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
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              • #8
                To Rachel and everyone who posted so far. this is a awesome thread. I personally think many of us have asked the question "WHY". I should have died at least four times. I have some very serious health issues, and every time when it looks like God is calling me, I continue to live, why? I also came to some conclusions, I would like to share them with you.

                Living this life, I do see as said in the first post ungodly reckless, pagan people seem to live long lives. (but not always) I think its because the Lord is giving them so much abundant time to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit to become a follower of Jesus Christ.

                Life here is nothing compared to being in heaven. If we really grasped how wonderful heaven is many might just check our way a head of time. God has given us a strong will to live in our being we can't change. When people get ill the body does reach a point where that strong will to live, releases our soul allowing us to go to the choice we made while alive. Heaven or hell we all make that choice.

                Living a long life is not necessarily a sign of Gods blessing upon that person. As the first poster showed many deeply committed Christians lived short lives. It could mean God spared then of the way of the world and its problems and sufferings. Remember its God who is in control of our lives. How we live for Christ is how we are rewarded in heaven. How many people who were real Godly people that have moved on are really being blessed for their obedience to the Lord. I hope to be even more faithful the longer I live.

                I think God has put us here to follow Jesus Christ and His teachings and commands. But tat may mean we have a chance to enjoy some of life, but by no means are we promised a wonderful life on Earth. In fact Jesus told us we would suffer. Each Christian should pray in sickness or health, in wealth or poverty, "Lord keep me in the center of your will." That prayer means if I suffer, live or die I am where the Lord wants me to be.

                What are your thoughts?


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                • #9
                  Hi Rachel, I'm back.

                  Originally posted by Rachel Henderson View Post
                  The verse in Isaiah 30:18 states that the Lord is a God of justice. "Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; therefore he will rise up to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for him!" Where is the justice? I'm absolutely appalled and disgusted by the injustice not only in the Christian community, but in the world today.

                  You're not alone in noticing this absence of justice in society. There is however a valid reason, of which I'm confident you are familiar with. In Christian Theology, we learn that because we are in a broken, sinful world, "Perfect Justice" is an impossibility (Isaiah 53:6). Throughout the Bible (specifically the OT) we see in man's lacking, God does brings just punishment upon his daughter Israel, and other nations of the earth.

                  What's amazing though is that our just God is also merciful. According to his laws and standard of living we are all guilty (Romans 3:23). Even so, he chooses to reach out his mighty hand and pull us to safety in Jesus (Romans 5:18-21).

                  Maybe God does give the greatest of sinners more time on earth to find him (2 Peter 3:8-9) or maybe not. I don't know; but there is a parable that comes to mind found in Matthew 20:1-16.

                  Hope this helped, God bless.
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                  • #10
                    Hi Rachel, first off, WELCOME TO CF :)

                    I will add to some of the wonderful things that have already been said in this thread if the Lord so leads, but I am quickly reminded of a quote by mother/missionary/Christian author/speaker/radio host, Elisabeth Elliot, concerning at least one of the reasons for the suffering that some face. I'll post it for you here (actually, there are many of her quotes that come to mind that might be useful to you, but I'll leave those for another time).

                    Our vision is so limited we can hardly imagine a love that does not show itself in protection from suffering. The love of God is of a different nature altogether. It does not hate tragedy. It never denies reality. It stands in the very teeth of suffering. The love of God did not protect His own Son. The cross was the proof of His love – that He gave that Son, that He let Him go to Calvary’s cross, though “legions of angels” might have rescued Him. He will not necessarily protect us - not from anything it takes to make us like His Son. A lot of hammering and chiseling and purifying by fire will have to go into the process.” ~Elisabeth Elliot

                    This side of Glory we may never know why some have had to suffer as they do, but because we can so clearly see that He has brought good out of "some" of the worst of it, we must also believe that there is far more of this going on than we can know about or recognize (again, on this side of Glory).

                    Yours in Christ,
                    David
                    p.s. - the underlining above is mine, just FYI.
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                    Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

                    "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

                    "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

                    "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

                    "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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                    • #11
                      Hi again Rachel, in case you don't know, Missionary Elisabeth Elliot waited at home with her new baby daughter while her husband Jim (and his four missionary companions) went to meet with and evangelize the Auca Indians in the country of Ecuador. They were known to be savages, violent and dangerous to outsiders, but they had no knowledge of Christ. The plan was to befriend them, learn their non-written language, write in down and teach them how to read it, translate the Bible into it, and then teach them about the Lord from it. The problem was, the Aucas speared to death all five missionaries before they even had the chance to meet them.

                      I tell you this because the next "outsider" that the Aucas met was Jim's wife Elisabeth (and their baby daughter Valerie). Elisabeth, with only her baby girl in tow, led to Christ the very men who had murdered her husband. Jim died in 1956, Elisabeth, just last year. If you like to read, she has written quite a few wonderful books about living the Christian life that I believe may be a blessing to you.

                      Yours and His,
                      David
                      p.s. - I'll leave you with this. Here, from his journal, is Jim Elliot's most famous quote, a single sentence underlined below in light red:

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                      Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

                      "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

                      "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

                      "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

                      "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by David Lee View Post
                        Hi again Rachel, in case you don't know, Missionary Elisabeth Elliot waited at home with her new baby daughter while her husband Jim (and his four missionary companions) went to meet with and evangelize the Auca Indians in the country of Ecuador. They were known to be savages, violent and dangerous to outsiders, but they had no knowledge of Christ. The plan was to befriend them, learn their non-written language, write in down and teach them how to read it, translate the Bible into it, and then teach them about the Lord from it. The problem was, the Aucas speared to death all five missionaries before they even had the chance to meet them.

                        I tell you this because the next "outsider" that the Aucas met was Jim's wife Elisabeth (and their baby daughter Valerie). Elisabeth, with only her baby girl in tow, led to Christ the very men who had murdered her husband. Jim died in 1956, Elisabeth, just last year. If you like to read, she has written quite a few wonderful books about living the Christian life that I believe may be a blessing to you.


                        That is truly incredible; you can see that through her trial her faith was made strong (James 1:3-5). Because of amazing stories like this, we are also made strong in Christ. This is very relevant because If Elisabeth's husband hadn't been killed, God wouldn't have been glorified in the same beautiful way.
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                          Originally posted by David Lee View Post
                          Hi again Rachel, in case you don't know, Missionary Elisabeth Elliot waited at home with her new baby daughter while her husband Jim (and his four missionary companions) went to meet with and evangelize the Auca Indians in the country of Ecuador. They were known to be savages, violent and dangerous to outsiders, but they had no knowledge of Christ. The plan was to befriend them, learn their non-written language, write in down and teach them how to read it, translate the Bible into it, and then teach them about the Lord from it. The problem was, the Aucas speared to death all five missionaries before they even had the chance to meet them.

                          I tell you this because the next "outsider" that the Aucas met was Jim's wife Elisabeth (and their baby daughter Valerie). Elisabeth, with only her baby girl in tow, led to Christ the very men who had murdered her husband. Jim died in 1956, Elisabeth, just last year. If you like to read, she has written quite a few wonderful books about living the Christian life that I believe may be a blessing to you.

                          Yours and His,
                          David
                          p.s. - I'll leave you with this. Here, from his journal, is Jim Elliot's most famous quote, a single sentence underlined below in light red:

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                          I remember when Jim and the others were killed. I was a shock. Reading Jim's note really touches my soul. Thank you.


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