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  • Neither Male Nor Female: Oregon Resident Legally Recognized As Third Gender

    An Oregon man (or should I say person?) has taken the next step beyond transgender to having no gender at all.

    An Oregon judge has allowed a 52-year-old retired Army tank mechanic to change gender identity. Not from male to female, or vice versa. But to a new, third gender.

    Jamie Shupe is now legally non-binary — widely believed to be a first for the United States.

    Oregon joins several countries in recognizing a third gender. In 2014, India became the largest country in the world to have an official third option, following in the footsteps of Pakistan, Australia and Germany.

    Shupe was born male, got married and had a child.

    "I was in a deep, dark depression because I had boxed myself into this male identity that I couldn't stand anymore," Shupe says.

    Three years ago, Shupe decided enough is enough.

    "I told family members, we either let me out of this box or I'm shooting myself in the head. Things really got that bad," Shupe recalls.

    Shupe is no longer legally male or female and prefers the pronoun "they."

    So they left the military, moved into a cabin near Deep Creek Lake, Md., transitioned by taking hormones and grew breasts.

    But Shupe still didn't feel fully female.

    "Nobody can accept this thing ... 'you can't be female and have a penis,' " Shupe says. "That just makes people's heads explode. And that was another reason why I wanted out of this female classification because I have no intention of removing my genitals."

    Three years ago, Shupe and their wife of 29 years, Sandy, moved to Portland, Ore.

    The transition and the gender changes have been tough, Sandy says, but they still love each other.

    "What if your spouse was in an accident and they were totally, they were, like disfigured? Would you still not love that person, just because of what they look like on the outside?" Sandy Shupe says. "That's my take on it. Jamie's still the same."

    Sandy says her spouse is more pleasant to be around now, especially since they moved west.

    Jamie Shupe tears up with gratitude when talking about the move.

    "All you have to do is go on the Human Rights Campaign website and look up transgender and LGBT protection laws and the West Coast just lights up the map for protections," Shupe says.

    But that didn't stop them from pushing for more.

    A few months ago, Shupe applied to the Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles to be listed as non-binary. The agency refused, so they asked a Multnomah County judge for the new gender designation, and won.

    As of now, the state isn't fighting the decision, says DMV spokesman David House. Instead, he says, the agency is looking into how to comply.

    "We expect there would be a computer system change required, probably form changes. Also it's very likely that it would require some legislative and administrative rule changes," House says.

    He expects that in a few months, Oregon driver's license applications will have new gender designations, in addition to male and female.

    "Is it a third box? Or will it require multiple boxes?" House says. "We just don't know the answer to those questions; we're going to need to study that."

    But just having this change is a move in the right direction, says Nancy Haque, co-executive director of Basic Rights Oregon, an LGBTQ advocacy group. She says while there are 50 ways to identify gender on Facebook, a third box is probably enough for now.

    "I don't think anybody's asking the DMV or any other big institution to have 50 boxes," Haque says.

    Jamie Shupe doesn't care whether there are 50 boxes or three; they say they're just thrilled to have broken such a long-standing, monolithic barrier.

    "Most of the excitement is feeling the freedom of being set free of this classification system that I do not agree with," Shupe says.

    Having a third gender on an Oregon driver's license is one thing. But people still have to choose male or female when booking a flight and when applying for a passport or health insurance.
    Neither Male Nor Female: Oregon Resident Legally Recognized As Third Gender : NPR
    Clyde Herrin's Blog

  • #2
    This is the problem when you let Satan convince of something that is not natural. He was born a man, therefore, he is a man. It is as simple as that no matter what the LGBT community wants to convey. And now our politicians are enabling them, which means this kind of thing will get worse and worse.
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    • #3
      Notice the completely illogical nature of the reasoning.

      Nancy Haque, co-executive director of Basic Rights Oregon, an LGBTQ advocacy group. She says while there are 50 ways to identify gender on Facebook, a third box is probably enough for now.
      First, there are only two genders, male and female. Second, Facebook may do what ever they want but it is not an authority on human sexuality so it does not really matter what Facebook does. Third, Facebook, no matter what they call it, offers a list of different sexual preferences. A person's sexual preference is not the same thing as gender. Fourth, DNA determines gender. These people could use a course in logic.
      Last edited by Origen; 06-18-2016, 01:29 PM.
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      • #4
        I've said it before, political correctness will destroy society. A man is a man, regardless of what he thinks he is or isn't. Soon this madness is going to spread . . . and that's when things will get really bad. There was talk that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. I wonder how long it will be before pedophilia is made legal? "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Smithee View Post
          I've said it before, political correctness will destroy society. A man is a man, regardless of what he thinks he is or isn't. Soon this madness is going to spread . . . and that's when things will get really bad. There was talk that pedophilia is a sexual orientation. I wonder how long it will be before pedophilia is made legal? "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
          Completely agree with you. I believe anyone can be whoever they want but let's not act like there is a third gender, simply because there is no third genitalia. If gender is something that's "in your mind", why not just call it a personality? There's a Tumblr blog listing more than 300 different genders and that's just ridiculous. A man is a man and a woman is a woman and there is nothing in between. A man can be a man and feel like he's both woman and man (or something somewhere in between) but in reality this is just about personality, not really sexuality. I think people are so crazily against gender norms that they're rather be called another gender than simply say that they don't accept gender norms. Girls can wear blue and boys can wear pink, that doesn't mean they're any different from anyone else.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Knotical View Post
            This is the problem when you let Satan convince of something that is not natural. He was born a man, therefore, he is a man. It is as simple as that no matter what the LGBT community wants to convey. And now our politicians are enabling them, which means this kind of thing will get worse and worse.

            Well I am not sure if I can go this, but at the same time this is really I just stay out of things like this. I do not even know anymore what is normal and not, and I live a traditional life and I think that is best, but when it comes to others there is only so much I can do. It is out of my control, and in general I just like to apply the "to each their own" to matters like this. That said, though, I do fear the implications that can from this. It is interesting, though, and I guess we will see where it goes from here. Thanks for sharing.
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            • #7
              Oh for crying out loud. I live in Oregon, albeit way out in the hinterland, and I have to say it is getting increasingly bizarre-o here. Not the least of which in the realm of sexuality and gender. A private concern (e.g., Facebook) can do as they wish, of course, but the state being required to recognize "non-binary" is just absurd.

              There are seriously times I consider moving my family eastward. Oklahoma is looking good, and not just because of the climate, farmland, and because many of my coreligionists live there; their laws are a lot more sane. But I digress. ;)
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              • #8
                Okay, so how is this going to work on a practical level? What if someone wants to commit a crime and identifies and non-binary but looks male or female? In the descriptions of the police report a male or female, how do you include non-binary people? Because no matter how you look at it, you do tend to pass as one or the other. What is the point of a third gender other than to make some mentally ill person feel like their delusions are justified? And how pretentious do you have be to be a singular person and want to be called 'they'. It's as bad as the royal 'We'. I just don't understand why the government is siding with this nonsense. The only sane part of this article was the part about him not wanting to cut off his private parts.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nahum View Post
                  Oh for crying out loud. I live in Oregon, albeit way out in the hinterland, and I have to say it is getting increasingly bizarre-o here. Not the least of which in the realm of sexuality and gender. A private concern (e.g., Facebook) can do as they wish, of course, but the state being required to recognize "non-binary" is just absurd.

                  There are seriously times I consider moving my family eastward. Oklahoma is looking good, and not just because of the climate, farmland, and because many of my coreligionists live there; their laws are a lot more sane. But I digress. ;)
                  I am from Oregon too. I live in Portland, the capital of sexual immorality. Portland has more "exotic" dancing clubs than Las Vegas. Our state constitution, I am told, would even allow for live sex performances on a stage. Our society/culture here gets more perverse by the year. This lack of foundation is destroying Portland. Its citizens don't know who they are or what they stand for. They don't even know what sex they are. They make decisions based on whatever is most convenient at the time with no regard for right or wrong. It is a crazy, shocking place to live. I am looking for another job so I can leave the city. It is in the city and its surrounding suburbs that most of this is going on. If you get 20-30 miles away, things are much more normal.
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                  • #10
                    Hi Marknoo, WELCOME TO CF :) I'm glad you joined us here, but I'm sad to hear about the moral/spiritual condition of your hometown :(

                    Hang in there Brother (1 Corinthians 15:58; Galatians 6:9; Hebrews 12:3) and God bless you! (Numbers 6:24-26). Who knows what the Lord may have in mind for Portland!

                    Yours in Christ,
                    David
                    Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

                    "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

                    "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

                    "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

                    "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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                    • #11
                      I guess as 'non-binary', until the court lifts the injuction, 'they' can't use EITHER restroom. ;)
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nahum View Post
                        I live in Oregon, albeit way out in the hinterland, and I have to say it is getting increasingly bizarre-o here.
                        Originally posted by marknoo View Post
                        I am from Oregon too. I live in Portland, the capital of sexual immorality.
                        Nothing happens by chance. Perhaps God has placed both of you in Oregon because he wants you to serve him by preaching the gospel to the people there.

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