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    Matt 24:21-26
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
    KJV


    These Scriptures are often explained away in many Christian Churches by false theories that our Lord Jesus only meant those things for the Jews, or only for those in Jerusalem, and not for His Church, or that it was past history.

    In reality though, that is a warning of a coming pseudo-Christ ("false Christs" = Greek pseudo-christos) for the last days, the time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world just prior to Christ's return.

    It is the same subject Apostle Paul was covering in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, and also that Christ gave to John in Revelation 13 about the "another beast" and "dragon". In all three of those Scriptures is the parallel of a false one coming to work great signs and wonders upon the earth, raining fire down from heaven in the sight of men. It's about a singular false-Christ coming in place of our Lord Jesus Christ just prior to Jesus' actual second coming.

    The way Satan tries to counter this revelation is with ideas that get as far away from that being about a major event for the very end just prior to Christ's second coming. Some try to say that was history, like some also wrongly teach 2 Thess.2:3-4 is about the pope as antichrist, when 2 Thess.2:3-4 specifically includes the event of a rebuilt physical temple in Jerusalem for that coming false one to sit in and play God, exalting himself over all that is called God, or even that is worshiped.

    That also is what the time of "Peace and safety" will be that Apostle Paul gave as a sign in 1 Thess.5. And that parallels what our Lord Jesus warned there in Matthew 24:6 about wars and rumours of wars, but the end is not yet, meaning a short time of peace on the earth at the very end prior to Jesus' second coming.

    That is the timing in Rev.11:1-10 involving a temple in Jerusalem, the appearing of God's two witnesses there to prophecy against it for 1260 days, then their being killed, and the nations sending each other gifts and making merry over their deaths.

    Even Rev.11:9 by the nations seeing the dead bodies of the two witnesses lay dead in the street suggests that is set to occur only for our times, because with satellite technology all nations will easily be able to see that, pointing to TV, cell phones, and the Internet.


    Christ's Olivet Discourse there in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is about seven main signs our Lord Jesus gave us about the last days, for the very end of this present world. The events He gave parallel the seals of Revelation 6. That's why the very last sign He gave there is about His second coming and the gathering of His saints (from both Heaven, and from the earth, covered in Matt.24:29-31 and Mark 13:26-27).

    For several years now, the orthodox Jews who reject Jesus in Jerusalem have had the materials ready to build another temple, and start old covenant worship there again, as they are still waiting for Messiah to come.

    When the coming pseudo-Christ does come there, then the latter part of what our Lord Jesus said to their fathers truly will then be manifest:

    John 5:43
    43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
    KJV


    Do not allow this coming pseudo-Christ event to take you by surprise brethren.

  • #2
    I can't remember where i heard the term "pseudo", but i like it and use it myself sometimes.
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    • #3
      It's been happening. It happened back in the '70s when I was handed a flyer of a kid who was supposed to be the Messiah. I didn't believe it even then, before I was a Christian. It depends on where one is in the world. Not just for the tribulation, but any time in the end times, which we are in.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by davy View Post
        For several years now, the orthodox Jews who reject Jesus in Jerusalem have had the materials ready to build another temple, and start old covenant worship there again, as they are still waiting for Messiah to come.
        Where are these Jews going to get qualified priests to officiate old covenant worship? They can't. Old covenant worship is over, forever. There's not a Jew today who can prove he's a Levite. There's not a priest today to induct new priests.

        Why would they have to wait for the Messiah to start old covenant worship. Is there something in the Bible, other than the New Testament, to end old covenant worship? The law of Moses doesn't require a temple. What's stopping orthodox Jews from setting up a tent and getting busy? Nothing about getting back to old covenant worship requires a Messiah. Then why don't they? Because the OT is not the religion they follow, contrary to the fantasy of Christian Zionists.

        Well, maybe they need the Messiah to find them a priest? LOL!

        Don't Jews believe Daniel? Doesn't Daniel say the Messiah will end sacrifice? How come you think the thing that ends sacrifice is what they need to start sacrifice?

        Dispensationalism is false doctrine, to put it mildly. And, pssst, the Messiah has already come.



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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
          Where are these Jews going to get qualified priests to officiate old covenant worship?
          Some of them claim it is possible to identify priests by their DNA.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by theophilus View Post
            Some of them claim it is possible to identify priests by their DNA.
            Your link says, "DNA analysis was also done on Jewish subjects who identified themselves as descended from the tribe of Levi. Results showed a very diverse series of haplotypes that would suggest the Levi tribe of today was not descended from a single common ancestor." Furthermore, those various haplotypes are also found in many people with no claim to being a Levite, or even Jewish.

            The article states this in its conclusion, "It now has been demonstrated that the priestly order of Cohanim has a common genetic marker that is characteristic of only 10% of the general Jewish population and nonexistent in gentiles." No such thing has been demonstrated. The article no place, that I saw, even attempts to support that the DNA in question is nonexistent in gentiles. So, why is that claim in the conclusion? In his conclusion, the author also left out the word "some". The conclusion should read: Some Cohanim have a common genetic marker that is also found in the general jewish and gentile populations.

            Look at the graphs in your link, compare cohen vs. levite. If the genetics were accurate, cohen and levite should be similar, as real cohens are levites. Yet, supposed levites have less of the "cohen DNA" than the general jewish population.

            Nope, DNA doesn't help.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cornelius View Post

              Where are these Jews going to get qualified priests to officiate old covenant worship? They can't. Old covenant worship is over, forever. There's not a Jew today who can prove he's a Levite. There's not a priest today to induct new priests.

              Why would they have to wait for the Messiah to start old covenant worship. Is there something in the Bible, other than the New Testament, to end old covenant worship? The law of Moses doesn't require a temple. What's stopping orthodox Jews from setting up a tent and getting busy? Nothing about getting back to old covenant worship requires a Messiah. Then why don't they? Because the OT is not the religion they follow, contrary to the fantasy of Christian Zionists.

              Well, maybe they need the Messiah to find them a priest? LOL!

              Don't Jews believe Daniel? Doesn't Daniel say the Messiah will end sacrifice? How come you think the thing that ends sacrifice is what they need to start sacrifice?

              Dispensationalism is false doctrine, to put it mildly. And, pssst, the Messiah has already come.



              [FONT=Trebuchet][SIZE=14px]International Standard Version[/SIZE][/FONT]
              [FONT=Trebuchet][SIZE=14px]He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will suspend both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator."

              In order for them to cease they must start again. T[/SIZE][/FONT]hey can keep letting people touch the Ark of the Covenant and if they don't die they are Levite. And pssst... He's coming again! Even so, come LORD JESUS!
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              • #8
                And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

                1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Chuckt View Post
                  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

                  1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

                  The Bible calls those who deny Jesus Christ is come in the flesh are the spirit of Antichrist. Dispies refer to those of the spirit of Antichrist as God's Chosen People. Why not? Dispies don't believe the Bible.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Even So View Post


                    [FONT=Trebuchet][SIZE=14px]International Standard Version[/SIZE][/FONT]
                    [FONT=Trebuchet][SIZE=14px]He will make a binding covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he will suspend both the sacrifice and grain offerings. Destructive people will cause desolation on the pinnacle until it is complete and what has been decreed is poured out on the desolator."

                    In order for them to cease they must start again. T[/SIZE][/FONT]hey can keep letting people touch the Ark of the Covenant and if they don't die they are Levite. And pssst... He's coming again! Even so, come LORD JESUS!
                    Dispies don't believe the Bible.

                    You quote a verse from Daniel which in context says from the word to restore the Jerusalem there will be 69 weeks then the anointed one shall be cut off. And, then the city and the Temple will be destroyed, and sacrifices will end. Hmmm, approximately 453 BC a decree to rebuild Jerusalem. 69 weeks later would be 452 BC. Where's your literalism?

                    Because this information comes in a vision, it's reasonable to take it as symbolic. These are weeks of years, or 483 years. That brings us up to 30 AD. You might have heard something about the anointed one, meaning Christ, being crucified, cut off, about that time. I know, hardcore dispies <John Hagee> deny that Jesus ever claimed to be the anointed one. But, us Christians accept Jesus as the anointed one, outside of whom no one belongs to God. After the anointed one is cut off, Daniel explains the temple will be destroyed and sacrifice will end.

                    Even So, check your theology. Jesus put an end theologically to sacrifice when he gave his own life. And, check your history, the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, putting an end to the empty practice. See, that's our past, not our future. Check your calendar. Daniel's weeks ended almost 2000 years ago. But, Dispies don't take Daniel's vision literally. They don't even take the days of the weeks as symbolically as years. Dispies simply do not believe the Bible. But, they are happy to rip verses out of context and insist those verses say something that they don't appear to say even when out context.

                    Obviously, it's nonsense to take Daniel's vision of 540 BC and think the temple hasn't yet been built or destroyed. But, Dispies also think the tribulation that destroys the temple could start any moment now, yet there's no temple yet to be destroyed. And, following Daniel's prophesy, it has to stand for at least 434 years before it's destroyed. But, ignoring that, do you think it's likely that Israel, which couldn't care less about having a temple, will break ground, where the Dome of the Rock stands, for the temple any time soon? Tell me how it's not pure nonsense to claim a future temple, not built by God's command, and not possibly legitimate because of Christ, could have any eschatological relevance? How would that temple, which isn't going to be built any time soon, not be just another building constructed by people of a false religion? And, do you really think the temple built by God's instruction, called God's house by Jesus, and which was destroyed after Christ was sacrificed as no eschatological relevance, even if you deny the fact that it fits Daniel's time table?

                    Where's the ark of the covenant? Even if still existed, even Levites aren't allowed to touch it lest they die. No one was allowed to touch it. The Kohathites were instructed to carry it, but forbidden to touch it.

                    If you hold to Dispie theology, you should say Jesus is coming back againS. Coming secretly to rapture the church with the shout of an archangel (advice to Jesus, if you want to come secretly, cancel the loud announcement). Coming again with the church to rule for a 1000 years (never mind that he already rules with the Church). Then coming again to judge... I'm not sure about that third time, cause wouldn't Jesus already be here? The Dispy religion is completely senseless, and is as toxic as it is senseless.

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                    • #11
                      I wish I could hear your tone of voice, cuz you come across as cocky and argumentative. I do agree with you on a couple things. I am guessing (d'oh) that you are a preterist, but your first paragraph; could you explain your math? See, i'm no wiz kid. And you can argue right or wrong til all hell breaks loose, and it has yet to, but it don't matter. What matters is JESUS said he is coming back and hasn't yet. It no matter whether you believe in the rapture and don't think this is a deal breaker for us. What matters is being ready. We both believe the core, right?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cornelius View Post


                        The Bible calls those who deny Jesus Christ is come in the flesh are the spirit of Antichrist. Dispies refer to those of the spirit of Antichrist as God's Chosen People. Why not? Dispies don't believe the Bible.
                        What in the world are you talking about? Do they believe JESUS is LORD?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chuckt View Post
                          And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

                          1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
                          I would not be surprised to learn that pseudochrist is behind the third temple, as JESUS clearly fulfilled sacrifice. But I do know Jimmy DeYoung says all the pieces are in place and he loves JESUS as a Jew. Maybe YHWH will allow it, maybe done just to fulfill prophecy as another sign. DeYoung knows as much as anyone. Even Cornelius :D . Or maybe he's a dispie and knows nothing. GOD will supply the proper descendants to carry out the sacrifices if desired. Btw, Chuck, I get a lot of my quotes/links/verses from Bible Hub also. I like that you can get many versions at once to compare a verse.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Even So View Post
                            I wish I could hear your tone of voice, cuz you come across as cocky and argumentative. I do agree with you on a couple things. I am guessing (d'oh) that you are a preterist, but your first paragraph; could you explain your math? See, i'm no wiz kid. And you can argue right or wrong til all hell breaks loose, and it has yet to, but it don't matter. What matters is JESUS said he is coming back and hasn't yet. It no matter whether you believe in the rapture and don't think this is a deal breaker for us. What matters is being ready. We both believe the core, right?

                            Jesus' Olivet Discourse and the end of Daniel's 70 weeks are about the destruction of Judea in the 66-73 AD war. To deny that is to not believe the Bible. Preterists shove everything into the first century (Full Preterists even shove the whole Millennium into the first century). Dispies shove everything into the future, including the Temple's destruction (in spite of it being a 70 AD historical fact, just as both Jesus and Daniel predicted). Dispies even shove some OT prophesies that were fulfilled before the time of Christ into the future. It's almost a wonder they they haven't shoved Christ's first coming into the future (although, some like Hagee almost do).

                            Justin Martyr (b100 AD) is often claimed to be the most Premil of the Early Church Fathers. But, he knew nothing of a Pretrib Rapture. He taught what Dispies disparagingly call "Replacement Theology". He said the destruction of Jerusalem was the fulfillment of prophecy concerning the abomination that causes desolation. And, if his acceptance of the destruction of Jerusalem as prophesy fulfilled has you calling him a Preterist what do you make of him saying Isaiah 2:4 is already fulfilled, Apology ch39? That's hardcore Amil teaching. Woot, woot for the Dispies, he also apparently believed in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ, but probably of a postmil nature (i.e. the church overcomes the world then Christ comes to physically reign) .

                            If Martyr is the Dispy's best friend among the Early Church fathers, Dispies are in real trouble against the rest of the Church Fathers and the Reformers, and against all Bible-believers, because Dispies are not Bible-believers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Even So View Post
                              I would not be surprised to learn that pseudochrist is behind the third temple, as JESUS clearly fulfilled sacrifice. But I do know Jimmy DeYoung says all the pieces are in place and he loves JESUS as a Jew. Maybe YHWH will allow it, maybe done just to fulfill prophecy as another sign. DeYoung knows as much as anyone. Even Cornelius

                              What third temple? The Bible says nothing about a third temple. And, a third temple would be completely illegitimate because Jesus is our temple. Your theology should come from the Bible, rather than twisting the Bible to make it fit your theology. Jimmy DeYoung loves Jesus as a Jew? Does that mean If Jesus weren't a "jew", that he'd be unworthy of DeYong's love? The state of Israel defines a Jew as someone who doesn't believe Jesus is the Christ. Do you think Jesus doesn't believe he's the Christ? The Bible is clear that Jesus believed himself to be Christ, but Dispies don't believe Jesus. Dispies don't believe the Bible.
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