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14 minutes ago, theophilus said:

" We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."  Christians are no longer under his control but the rest of the world is.  It won't be until Christ returns to rule earth that Satan will be confined to the bottomless pit and no longer able to influence what goes on here.

And why are we no longer under Satan's control while upon the earth? Are you suggesting that Satan is now limited or bound up by Jesus Christ? The very definition of the world is the entire human race which is wicked and corrupt. The world has nothing to do with the Elect.

  • 1 John 2:13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father.
  • 1 John 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

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1 minute ago, William said:

And why are we no longer under Satan's control?

Christians are freed from Satan's control because we have a new nature and we also have the power of the Holy Spirit in us.  

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Aside:  Amillennialism teaches that the binding of Satan, described in Revelation, has already occurred; he has been prevented from "deceiving the nations" by the spread of the gospel.

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5 hours ago, Fastfredy0 said:

Aside:  Amillennialism teaches that the binding of Satan, described in Revelation, has already occurred; he has been prevented from "deceiving the nations" by the spread of the gospel.

Since when is satan being prevented from 'deceiving the nations'?  He's working through Islam for one thing and every other system that teaches other than Jesus Christ death, burial and bodily resurrection.  Jesus Christ being the Son of God. People in various countries are being killed for their beliefs.  He deceives people into thinking that Killing Christians is doing the world a favor.  And he deceives people into thinking that wrong is right and that right is wrong. Our jails and prisons are full and over flowing.  

 

btw -- FastfredyO -- you'll want to click into the tiny black envelop and find your PM's.  It's right next to the tiny black bell.  Notifications and such.  

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5 hours ago, theophilus said:

Christians are freed from Satan's control because we have a new nature and we also have the power of the Holy Spirit in us.  

yes, Christians Do have a new nature and we also have the power of the Holy Spirit in us.  However -- just because he no longer has control doesn't mean he doesn't influence us.  He knows our weaknesses and know how to make them look very attractive.  There's the verse that says -- submit to God -- resist the devil and he will flee from us.  Sometimes we don't want to submit Every part of our lives to God.  And sometimes we like to play around with 'little sins'.  We don't cease to be human.  We Do tend to be our own 'worse enemy'.   And satan is happy to help that along.  

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the "strong man" may be already bound

and Christ has "plundered his house'

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9 hours ago, Anto9us said:

the "strong man" may be already bound

and Christ has "plundered his house'

The house of Satan cannot be plundered until its master is overmastered. Satan would never allow anyone to be freed or raised, he'll not only guard or keep his house but he'll guard or keep its inhabitants. Jesus performed the first work of salvation (binding Satan), conquering what ruined the fallen in order to raise them up. Evil is now restrained through Calvary and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, therefore, the Christian duty today is to remove influences that once tempted. Satan would never allow a weaker intruder (us, the Elect) to rob his house, but because Christ has bound Satan we are able to intrude in his house and preach the Gospel as means which God has commissioned calling the Elect out of it.

 

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1 hour ago, William said:

The house of Satan cannot be plundered until its master is overmastered. Satan would never allow anyone to be freed or raised, he'll not only guard or keep his house but he'll guard or keep its inhabitants. Jesus performed the first work of salvation (binding Satan), conquering what ruined the fallen in order to raise them up. Evil is now restrained through Calvary and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The great tempter has been restrained, therefore, the Christian duty today is to remove influences that once tempted the Elect towards immorality. Satan would never allow a weaker intruder (us, the Elect) to rob his house, but because Christ has bound Satan we are able to intrude in his house and preach the Gospel as means which God has commissioned calling the Elect out of it.

 

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William

Satan doesn't have as much power as we give him credit for.  However -- people are Still being possessed by demons,  Nero,  Muscileene , Hitler and others Still committed horrible atrocities to Christians, the world in general.  And countries such as N.Korea Still  treat even their Own people horribly.   There is Still satanic Oppression alive and well on planet earth.  

 

Satan is out to destroy anyone he Can.  He wants to make Christians as ineffective as possible.  Ruin reputations through any means he can.  Destroy homes, marriages. 

 

Satan, the false prophet and the beast Will Eventually be caste into the lake of fire and brimstone Forever.   And satan Will Be bound for the 1,000 reign of Christ.  Then he will be loosed again, but only for a while.  Because then his end will come.  

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21 hours ago, Sue D. said:

Satan doesn't have as much power as we give him credit for.  However -- people are Still being possessed by demons,  Nero,  Muscileene , Hitler and others Still committed horrible atrocities to Christians, the world in general.  And countries such as N.Korea Still  treat even their Own people horribly.   There is Still satanic Oppression alive and well on planet earth.  

 

Satan is out to destroy anyone he Can.  He wants to make Christians as ineffective as possible.  Ruin reputations through any means he can.  Destroy homes, marriages. 

 

Satan, the false prophet and the beast Will Eventually be caste into the lake of fire and brimstone Forever.   And satan Will Be bound for the 1,000 reign of Christ.  Then he will be loosed again, but only for a while.  Because then his end will come.  

 

You read your own ideas into Scripture. It is your ideas of what the binding of Satan is that prevents you from actually comprehending what the Scriptures convey. Satan is bound and no one claimed he is dead or doesn't have influence in the lives of the non-elect. The fact that Scripture and world events do not agree with your pretribulation rapture theology is your problem and not mine. Your theology "doubts" the works of Christ, and subjects the sovereignty of God not only to the will of man but also to his/her ideas of what a Kingly reign is. None of your ideas about how Satan can ruin a Christian by destroying earthly possessions or reputations is even in the remotest sense meaningful to salvation. Salvation is not dependent on those things. You point to earthly things and earthly reins, whereas concern should be upon the eternal salvation of God's people.

 

Please refrain from posting in the Amill sub-forum. It is a futile effort and rather tiresome to keep reading from someone that places hands over ears and repeats the same things. You have no desire to learn period, let alone from the Amil perspective.

 

 

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1 hour ago, William said:

The house of Satan cannot be plundered until its master is overmastered. Satan would never allow anyone to be freed or raised, he'll not only guard or keep his house but he'll guard or keep its inhabitants. Jesus performed the first work of salvation (binding Satan), conquering what ruined the fallen in order to raise them up. Evil is now restrained through Calvary and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The great tempter has been restrained, therefore, the Christian duty today is to remove influences that once tempted the Elect towards immorality. Satan would never allow a weaker intruder (us, the Elect) to rob his house, but because Christ has bound Satan we are able to intrude in his house and preach the Gospel as means which God has commissioned calling the Elect out of it.

 

God bless,

William

I thought the 1000 year reign was figurative.  You explain it well here.  It seems to me though, that we are now at least very close to the wicked numbering the sand of the sea.

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6 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

I thought the 1000 year reign was figurative.  You explain it well here.  It seems to me though, that we are now at least very close to the wicked numbering the sand of the sea.

The 1000 years is symbolic for "a time of completion". The millennium is what some Amil adherents describe as a "realized millennium" that began at Christ's first advent and will continue until Christ's second coming or consummation (the point at which something is complete or finalized). 

 

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Contrary to what the name (Amillennialism) implies, AMs do believe in a millennium. The millennium, however, is now: the present age of the church between the first and second comings of Christ in its entirety is the millennium. Therefore, while the AM does deny the Premillennial belief in a personal, literal reign of Christ upon the earth for 1,000 years following His second coming, he affirms that there is a millennium and that Christ rules. However, this messianic reign is not necessarily for a literal 1,000 years and it is wholly spiritual (non-earthly, non-visible) in nature. “This millennial reign is not something to be looked for in the future;” writes Hoekema, “it is going on now, and will be until Christ returns. Hence the term realized millennialismis an apt description of the view here defended--if it is remembered that the millennium in question is not an earthly but a heavenly reign,” (The Bible and the Future, p. 235). - Sam Storms

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2 minutes ago, William said:

The 1000 years is symbolic for "a time of completion". The millennium is what some Amil adherents describe as a "realized millennium" that began at Christ's first advent and will continue until Christ's second coming or consummation (the point at which something is complete or finalized). 

 

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William

That makes sense to me.

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@Sue D.This is a very interesting topic.  I think it is worth reading his entire explanation without a summary version.  I lean toward believing the 1000 year reign is figuratively speaking as William describes in his other thread.

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@Sue D. Your post was removed. Obviously you do not read the entire post you're responding to. Last verbal warning, please refrain from posting in the Amil sub-forum.

 

 

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