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There are important facts that point us in the Right Direction- if we aren't worshiping our Church.......

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There are important facts that point us in the Right Direction- if we aren't worshiping our Church.......

 

:confused:.............says the JW on bended knee worshiping the Watchtower leadership! Seems, at best, like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:

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:confused:.............says the JW on bended knee worshiping the Watchtower leadership! Seems, at best, like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:
You are exactly right St. Over the years I have read numerous Watchtower publications both old and new. The Watchtower claims that reading the Bible alone is of no help. The Bible can only be understood by means of its organization.

 

"But if each of us were left to himself just because he has a copy of the Bible and were to direct his movements independently as he thought he understood the Word, what? It is likely, or possible, that there would be a great deal of confusion or working in competition among us. Hence, besides individually possessing God's Word, we need a theocratic organization. Yes, besides having God's spirit of illumination, a Christian needs Jehovah's theocratic organization in order to understand the Bible." (The Watchtower - June 15, 1951)

 

"The world is full of Bibles, which Book contains the commandments of God. Why, then, do the people not know which way to go? Because they do not also have the teaching or law of the mother, which is light. Jehovah God has provided his holy written Word for all mankind and it contains all the information that is needed for men in taking a course leading to life. But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: 'Light is sown for the righteous.' (Ps. 97:11) It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother." (The Watchtower - May 1, 1957)

 

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind. (The Watchtower - Oct. 1, 1967)

 

"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. (The Watchtower - July 1, 1973)

 

"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave' organization." (The Watchtower - Feb. 15, 1981)

 

"We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to 'the faithful and discreet slave.' (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. (The Watchtower - Dec. 1, 1990)

 

"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the 'faithful and discreet slave'." (The Watchtower - Sept. 1, 1994)

 

 

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"But if each of us were left to himself just because he has a copy of the Bible and were to direct his movements independently as he thought he understood the Word, what? It is likely, or possible, that there would be a great deal of confusion or working in competition among us. Hence, besides individually possessing God's Word, we need a theocratic organization. Yes, besides having God's spirit of illumination, a Christian needs Jehovah's theocratic organization in order to understand the Bible." (The Watchtower - June 15, 1951)

 

"The world is full of Bibles, which Book contains the commandments of God. Why, then, do the people not know which way to go? Because they do not also have the teaching or law of the mother, which is light. Jehovah God has provided his holy written Word for all mankind and it contains all the information that is needed for men in taking a course leading to life. But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: 'Light is sown for the righteous.' (Ps. 97:11) It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother." (The Watchtower - May 1, 1957)

 

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind. (The Watchtower - Oct. 1, 1967)

 

"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. (The Watchtower - July 1, 1973)

 

"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave' organization." (The Watchtower - Feb. 15, 1981)

 

"We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to 'the faithful and discreet slave.' (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. (The Watchtower - Dec. 1, 1990)

 

"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the 'faithful and discreet slave'." (The Watchtower - Sept. 1, 1994)

 

WOW :eek:

 

Of course, the Watchtower leadership can rightly claim to be God's true prophet, since all of their prophesies have always come true, right? WAIT, didn't they give us the exact date that the world/this age was going to come to an end? Actually, I believe they did, and they did so at least five different times, if memory serves :rolleyes:

 

As I heard someone say here recently concerning the "truth", "the proof is in the pudding" ;)

 

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Of course, the Watchtower leadership can rightly claim to be God's true prophet, since all of their prophesies have always come true, right? WAIT, didn't they give us the exact date that the world/this age was going to come to an end? Actually, I believe they did, and they did so at least five different times, if memory serves :rolleyes:

 

As I heard someone say here recently concerning the "truth", "the proof is in the pudding" ;)

They have many times that I know of from my reading. Here are some of the dates (at least the ones I know of) that the Watchtower has given over the years: 1878, 1881, 1906/1907, 1912, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1928, 1930s, 1935/1936, 1942, 1975, and 2000. After those time periods came and went the Watchtower whitewashed the errors.
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WOW :eek: ... that's a lot of "pudding" ;)

 

Thanks Brother!

 

A lot of " pudding" without anything to back it up. I'll pray for those trapped in cults like this tonight. The One True God is described rather well in the Nicene Creed:

[h=2]The Nicene Creed[/h]

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

 

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

 

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. http://bookofconcord.org/creeds.php. Our God is the Holy Trinity.

 

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:confused:.............says the JW on bended knee worshiping the Watchtower leadership! Seems, at best, like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:

 

Not to mention that at the end of the day, the JW's are polytheists. While they rave on about the how "wrong" the Trinity is, they in fact have a two-God belief system- God the Father and the created "lesser god" Jesus. That's pagan polytheism.

 

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If you follow a certain faith and doctrine, it is not difficult to define God, however, if you do not follow any faith,"who is the real god?" will become a difficult question. The word "God" has different meaning to different people. The Muslims God is different from Christian God, similarly Hindu's God is different from Buddhist God. The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.

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If you follow a certain faith and doctrine, it is not difficult to define God, however, if you do not follow any faith,"who is the real god?" will become a difficult question. The word "God" has different meaning to different people. The Muslims God is different from Christian God, similarly Hindu's God is different from Buddhist God. The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.

 

So let's ask God Himself. What are God's divine attributes which define who God is? I was also not aware that Buddhist believe in a deity or Supreme (G)od, much the same way I have never encountered Hindu's failing to make a distinction between (g)ods and (G)od.

 

God bless,

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The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.
Hardly. The answer to the question who is the real God, is the one who actually exist, the one who possesses certain divine attributes necessarily.

 

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Chameli, their answers may differ, but the actual answer to the question does not change. Believing different things about a God doesn't mean they become true. I might believe cats can fly, but this makes my claim no less true.

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Who is the REAL God?

 

I will base my answer to your question above using Watchtower literature.

 

1. The Watchtower: The worship of the only real God Jehovah is the true worship. (The Triumph of Clean, Undefiled Worship, November 1, 1951, see the last sentence in #6 - the underlined is mine)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1951805

 

 True worship is properly due to "the only real God Jehovah."

 

2. The Watchtower: However, the most important lesson we learn from Mary is that she, along with all other faithful servants of God, worships Jehovah and no other god. Mary, along with Christ’s other corulers in heaven, raises her voice to proclaim: “To the One sitting on the throne [Jehovah God] and to the Lamb [Jesus Christ] be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever."—Revelation 5:13; 19:10 (Mary’s Role in God’s Purpose, January 1, 2009, see the last paragraph - the underlined is mine).

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009002

 

Those in Revelation 5 would never worship any other god, but only Jehovah - and yet the Lord Jesus is being worshiped. This demonstrates He is not a "god" (cf. John 1:1 in the NWT), but is Jehovah.

 

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I don’t know.

but there can be some supernatural being, God.

This cosmos is gigantic and huge.

And we know not much.

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On 1/4/2017 at 12:38 AM, Chameli said:

If you follow a certain faith and doctrine, it is not difficult to define God, however, if you do not follow any faith,"who is the real god?" will become a difficult question. The word "God" has different meaning to different people. The Muslims God is different from Christian God, similarly Hindu's God is different from Buddhist God. The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.

Yes your point is valid and right.

but true God must be someONE.

Someone can be right, or all can be wrong.

But Christian God, Jesus is the best one, compared to all other religions right now.

 

Hindu and Muslim Gods are violent.

I don’t want to go into theological debate, but Jewish Old Testament God is also violent.

Buddhist deities are violent too.

 

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On 9/23/2018 at 6:38 AM, tahaadi said:

I don’t want to go into theological debate, but Jewish Old Testament God is also violent.

The Jewish and Christian Gods are the same and the Old Testament is part of God's inspired word just as the New it.  In fact the entire Old Testament was intended to prepare people for the coming of Jesus.  The Jews don't believe God is a trinity because they rejected Jesus as their king and their rejection has cost them the ability to understand their own scriptures.

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2 hours ago, theophilus said:

The Jewish and Christian Gods are the same and the Old Testament is part of God's inspired word just as the New it.  In fact the entire Old Testament was intended to prepare people for the coming of Jesus.  The Jews don't believe God is a trinity because they rejected Jesus as their king and their rejection has cost them the ability to understand their own scriptures.

Yes I know.

some people have given arguments, that those strict laws in Old Testament were for only those times for Israelites.

but as the New Testament has came, Christians don’t follow those laws.

 

But that’s why I was avoiding theology.

 

lets take this way,

christianity and Christians are least violent group of people, who have most sensible laws.

 

 

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The Real God is the One who holds you up in the Time of Your Travail. And quite possibly you may never "know" the Real God until you have a Life Shattering Travail. Many people "believe" many different things, but the strength and conviction of a person in their belief does not make it "true." For many thousands of years most folks absolutely believed the earth to be flat -- their "belief" did not make it so. And today many folks believe a lot of stuff, and their belief does not make it true.

 

Imagine, there is a chair on a stage, and you are invited to sit down. You approach the chair, and you sit down. Here is what happened, you saw the chair, made judgments in your head about the chair, comparing it to other chairs you have sat on, and deciding on your past experiences with similar chairs you had FAITH that this particular chair would hold you, so you acted on your faith, and you sat on the chair. And guess what, your Faith was Transformed -- it became Knowledge -- once you sat on the chair (as an act of faith) you acquired Knowledge --this chair holds me up, I KNOW this to be True because I am the Living Testimony of this Truth.

 

I KNOW the Real God, more important, the Real God Knows me. This knowledge is not based on belief, but on experience, I have "sat" on the "Real Chair" and it has held me up, continues to hold me up, and will always hold me up. So, "who" is the Real God, it is the One who Holds you up in the Time of your Travail, in the Time of your Testing, in the Time of your Greatest Need.

 

And it just may be that the Time of your Greatest Need has not yet come, so you may not yet KNOW the Real God -- just as Paul (Saul) thought he had a handle on things until he encountered the Real God, and you got to give Paul credit, he was quick to recognize the Real Thing when it came along -- very glad that I was too.

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On ‎8‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 7:32 PM, Origen said:
St_Worm2 said:
Of course, the Watchtower leadership can rightly claim to be God's true prophet, since all of their prophesies have always come true, right? WAIT, didn't they give us the exact date that the world/this age was going to come to an end? Actually, I believe they did, and they did so at least five different times, if memory serves :rolleyes:

 

As I heard someone say here recently concerning the "truth", "the proof is in the pudding" ;)

They have many times that I know of from my reading. Here are some of the dates (at least the ones I know of) that the Watchtower has given over the years: 1878, 1881, 1906/1907, 1912, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1928, 1930s, 1935/1936, 1942, 1975, and 2000. After those time periods came and went the Watchtower whitewashed the errors.

Hummm,,,,What the Calvinist call being Totally Depraved  ! :- ( scares the life out of me !!!!

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