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Was the Ark Big Enough for Its Passengers?

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Genesis chapters 6-9 tell us about a time in history 4,000-5,000 years ago when the people of the world had become so disobedient to God that He decided to destroy them with a Flood. Only righteous Noah and his family were saved, since they obeyed God and built a massive wooden boat so they could survive the rising waters. Some people today refuse to believe that such an event ever happened, because they believe there are parts of the story that cannot be true. For example, it is believed that there are some 11 million living species on the planet. Some argue that if Noah was told to bring two of each species on the Ark, as well as even more of the clean animals (Genesis 7:2-3), how could the Ark be big enough to hold so many creatures—millions upon millions?

 

First, it is important to understand that not every “species” of animal was on the Ark. Today’s idea of a “species” did not exist when Moses wrote the book of Genesis. Instead, he used the word “kinds” when telling Noah what to bring on the Ark (Genesis 6:20)—the same word that was used to describe what God made during the Creation week (1:11,21,24). The word “kind” would be closer to our word “family” or “genus” when classifying animal groups. So Noah would have probably had representatives of the single dogkind, for example—not representatives of each dog species (the coyotes, wolves, domestic dogs, jackals, etc.).

 

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Also, we must keep in mind that not even all of the kinds of life we find on Earth were on the Ark. For example, only those plants that were needed to feed the passengers on the Ark were brought—not representatives of all of the plant kinds. The swimming creatures were not onboard, of course, nor many insects, invertebrates, fungi, bacteria, or protozoa—all of which are included in the 11 million species that are said to be alive on the Earth.

 

When it’s all said and done, there were probably only a few thousand animals on the Ark, not millions nor even hundreds of thousands. The Ark was a football field and a half long, at least, and at least 75 feet wide and 45 feet tall—an enormous ship. John Woodmorappe did a study to determine whether the Ark would have been large enough to house 16,000 animals—representatives of each “kind” of creatures that would have probably been on the Ark. He took into account the space needed for food, water, waste disposal, heating, air, and lighting. He found that the size of the Ark was more than what was needed to house that many animals on such a large vessel. And what’s more, if the “cubit” (which was the unit of length that Moses used to describe the size of the Ark) was longer than 18 inches (what is often assumed to be the length of a cubit), the Ark quickly becomes even larger and more spacious.

 

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But wait a minute…what about the dinosaurs? How could the Ark have been large enough to hold all the dinosaurs, and especially, the sauropods, like Apatosaurus? Or the large theropod dinosaurs, like T-Rex? Keep in mind two things: first, the average size of an adult dinosaur was about the size of a rhinoceros; and second, the Bible does not say how old the animals were that were on the Ark. Were you as big as you are now when you were born? It is very likely that the animals on the Ark were young, maybe even little babies. Why? Besides the fact that they would take up less space, need less food, and make less waste, it is also important to remember that the animals on the Ark would have to leave the Ark and have enough time to spread out over the Earth and reproduce after the Flood. If they were already adult animals, they would not have nearly as much time to disperse and repopulate the Earth before they died.

 

The bottom line is that there is no reason to disbelieve what the Bible says when it tells us the story of Noah and the Ark. The Ark was large enough to hold the passengers that God sent to Noah to put on the Ark. Obviously, since God knew what He wanted on the Ark, He knew exactly how large it needed to be to house that many animals. The dimensions He gave to Noah made sure there was enough space for everything with a ticket to board.

 

http://apologeticspress.org/APPubPag...1221&flipper=1

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It is good to also remember the example of the loaves and fish. If God wanted to fit everything into a thimble He would have. God is not limited by anything.

 

Very good points, by the way.

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The only dinosaurs on the ark were birds. It's completely logical that God would let T-Rex drown so the Noah's grandkids wouldn't have to deal with hungry dinosaurs. They all drowned and were buried under silt, sand, and dirt during the huge floods.

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The only dinosaurs on the ark were birds. It's completely logical that God would let T-Rex drown so the Noah's grandkids wouldn't have to deal with hungry dinosaurs. They all drowned and were buried under silt, sand, and dirt during the huge floods.

 

God told Noah to take two of every kind of animal. If Noah left out dinosaurs he disobeyed God.

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God told Noah to take two of every kind of animal. If Noah left out dinosaurs he disobeyed God.

 

If God didn't send Noah dinosaurs, he wouldn't have been disobeying. Besides, in Genesis 7:2-3, Noah was told to bring seven pairs of animals for sacrifice. So it wasn't just two animals. Noah wasn't commanded to go gather the animals, only build an ark big enough for all the animals and receive them when they arrive. So, it's completely possible that God left the dinosaurs behind when He gathered them.

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The bottom line is that there is no reason to disbelieve what the Bible says when it tells us the story of Noah and the Ark.The Ark was large enough to hold the passengers that God sent to Noah to put on the Ark. Obviously, since God knew what He wanted on the Ark, He knew exactly how large it needed to be to house that many animals. The dimensions He gave to Noah made sure there was enough space for everything with a ticket to board.

 

http://apologeticspress.org/APPubPag...1221&flipper=1

 

 

And now you can go check it out for yourself at the "Ark Encounter", in Williamstown, KY, USA :)

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So, it's completely possible that God left the dinosaurs behind when He gathered them.

If that were true, how do you explain the fact that nearly every culture in the world has legends of dragons? Dinosaurs are the only animals we know of that fit the descriptions of dragons. If dragons existed after the flood, their ancestors must have been on the ark.

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If that were true, how do you explain the fact that nearly every culture in the world has legends of dragons? Dinosaurs are the only animals we know of that fit the descriptions of dragons. If dragons existed after the flood, their ancestors must have been on the ark.
Not necessarily. One method would be oral tradition pass on by Noah, his wife, his son and their wives.

 

You argument that dragons are dinosaurs does not work for a number or reasons. Primarily, ancient people came up with all kinds of weird and strange creators that do not and have never existed. Your point reminds me of the ancient astronaut theories. Since one thing seem to resemble the other in appearance (according to modern images and thought), then ancient astronaut must have visited the Earth. That is nothing more than begging the question, a fallacy. They, like you, have assumed they must be the same thing.

 

I have a question. Is it not possible that the dinosaurs were already extinct by the time of the flood?

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I have a question. Is it not possible that the dinosaurs were already extinct by the time of the flood?

 

Yes. That is what I think. Sometime between the fall of man and the flood.

 

Just to clarify on oral tradition, because there's a ton of people out there that think the Genesis story was orally handed down from one generation to another. Moses actually wrote the book, and he received it by direct revelation. Moses was literate and educated. I hate when I run into debates and someone claims variance in oral translations, and dismiss Genesis for a presumptive lack of consistency in oral transmission/conveyance.

 

God bless,

William

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If I remember correctly, there is stories dealing with a great flood in all kinds of religions and cultures, ancient and present. I also believe that what was written by the bible is truth regarding those events, but the other flood stories could be distorted through ages of oral traditions passed down one generation to another. I just don't think its some wild coincidence that a similar story of the great flood reappears often throughout history.

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Is it not possible that the dinosaurs were already extinct by the time of the flood?

The dinosaur fossils we find were of dinosaurs that were killed by the flood. That shows they were alive when the flood began.

 

Moses actually wrote the book, and he received it by direct revelation.

It is possible that Genesis was based on written records that had been handed down from the time the events recorded there took place.

 

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The dinosaur fossils we find were of dinosaurs that were killed by the flood. That shows they were alive when the flood began.
That only shows, if it can be determined conclusively how they died, they were killed by a flood. It does not prove they must have died in the same flood as the time of Noah.

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If that were true, how do you explain the fact that nearly every culture in the world has legends of dragons? Dinosaurs are the only animals we know of that fit the descriptions of dragons. If dragons existed after the flood, their ancestors must have been on the ark.

 

People have been misrepresenting the animals they see because they are weird. Try looking up old images of sharks and whales, they don't look anything like the real animal. Part of that is because they couldn't see the whole animal and part to an over active imaginations while trying to describe an animal using other familiar animals. The dolphins have a duck bill, the sea horse has an actual horse upper body. Have you ever watched MonsterQuest, people see many things that they misunderstand? People believe in the Chupacabra though it's probably just a starved dog with mange or rabies. Then there is the show RiverMonsters, though I think most of the people know that the fish are dangerous, they usually blame the wrong fish. So what people think are dragons could be something else.

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That only shows, if it can be determined conclusively how they died, they were killed by a flood. It does not prove they must have died in the same flood as the time of Noah.

 

Dinosaur fossils are found all over the world. There has only been one worldwide flood.

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Dinosaur fossils are found all over the world. There has only been one worldwide flood.
You assume what you must prove. There have been many floods all over the world. I see no evidence they all died at the same time in the same flood.

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I thought the dinosaurs died because a giant meteorite hit the Earth...

 

That is the explanation produced by scientists who reject the Bible's account of creation. Job contains a description of an animal that is clearly a dinosaur and describes it as something that still existed in Job's time.

Behold, Behemoth,

which I made as I made you;

he eats grass like an ox.

Behold, his strength in his loins,

and his power in the muscles of his belly.

He makes his tail stiff like a cedar;

the sinews of his thighs are knit together.

His bones are tubes of bronze,

his limbs like bars of iron.

(Job 40:15-18 ESV)

Some scholars claim this is a hippopotamus, but this animal has a tail like a cedar and a hippo has a very small tail.

 

https://sixdaysblog.com/2015/08/23/identifying-the-behemoth-and-leviathan/#more-599

 

Many cultures have legends of dragons, which are similar to dinosaurs. The fact that different peoples in different parts of the world have similar descriptions of dragons indicates that they probably actually existed at one time.

 

 

 

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The only dinosaurs on the ark were birds. It's completely logical that God would let T-Rex drown so the Noah's grandkids wouldn't have to deal with hungry dinosaurs. They all drowned and were buried under silt, sand, and dirt during the huge floods.

 

The bible does speak of the Behemoth in the book of Job.

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Based on my Biblical Understanding:

 

God tells us we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 2 or more Universes or Worlds. The first (Adam’ world) was totally destroyed in the Flood - dissolved and it’s gone forever . ll Peter 3:6 The present Universe will be burned and will also be dissolved. ll Peter 3:10 The third Heaven or World is forever. Rev. 22:5

 

Noah’s Flood:

 

The idea that Noah brought many thousands of animals inside the Ark is UnScriptural. The total number could easily have been less than a thousand creatures - IMBO.

 

There was no need to bring creatures which were created or brought froth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 since those same kinds of creatures; animals; and fowls of the air (Their Kinds - Trinity) were also brought forth on our present Planet and had been here for Billions of years Before the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van. Turkey) some 10k years ago.

 

The creatures; animals and fowls of the air which were aboard the Ark were the ones which Jesus, the Son of God, made with His own Hands (His Kinds). Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this present planet was a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human who set foot on this planet, and his name was Noah.

 

Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science agrees and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 10k years ago just south of Mt. Ararat.

 

Of course, the above analogy is based on my Biblical understanding.

 

God bless

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God tells us we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 2 or more Universes or Worlds.... Of course, the above analogy is based on my Biblical understanding.

 

Where in Scripture did you come to "mutiverse"? You would have had me on worlds if you were meaning any organized system.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

 

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Where in Scripture did you come to "mutiverse"? You would have had me on worlds if you were meaning any organized system.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

 

 

A Multiverse is composed of 2 or more Universes.

 

Gen. 1:6-8 tells us the first world (Universe-Cosmos-Heaven) was made on the SECOND Day. Gen. 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Heaven is defined in Gen. 1:8) were made on the THIRD Day. That is 3 firmaments or boundaries of Heaven (Cosmos, Universe-world) made by the 3rd Day.

 

 

The first Heaven or world was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood.

The second Heaven is our present world, which is scheduled to be burned.

The third Heaven or world is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

 

The first heaven or world was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8

The second heaven or world was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

The third heaven or world is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

 

Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4, LITERALLY speaking?

 

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

It's a Multiverse alright. Based on my Biblical understanding

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I'm trying to wrap my mind around your commentary 2Pillars. For one, you believe that there are two creation accounts? And secondly you're using Isaiah 65:17 how?

 

God bless,

William

 

P.S. 2Pillars, please fill out which denomination you belong to in your profile. We are requesting all members fill out this information, it is required for new member registration. If you need to make a request for your denomination please do so.

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I'm trying to wrap my mind around your commentary 2Pillars. For one, you believe that there are two creation accounts? And secondly you're using Isaiah 65:17 how?

 

God bless,

William

 

 

P.S. 2Pillars, please fill out which denomination you belong to in your profile. We are requesting all members fill out this information, it is required for new member registration. If you need to make a request for your denomination please do so.

 

Dear William,

 

Have ye not known; have ye not heard? Jesus said….

 

John 14:1-2 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

 

For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Isa 65:17

 

God bless

 

 

PS: I stated in my profile that I belong to a Christian Non-Denominational Churches.

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Dear William,

 

Have ye not known; have ye not heard? Jesus said….

 

John 14:1-2 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

 

For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Isa 65:17

 

 

 

I would rather you just answer a direct question directly. You're posting Scripture assuming that others comprehend the Scriptures as you're meaning. It seems that I have quite a different meaning derived from the Scriptures that you have shared.

 

God bless,

William

 

P.S. Thank you for your cooperation in posting your profile information.

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I would rather you just answer a direct question directly. You're posting Scripture assuming that others comprehend the Scriptures as you're meaning. It seems that I have quite a different meaning derived from the Scriptures that you have shared.

 

God bless,

William

 

P.S. Thank you for your cooperation in posting your profile information.

 

Dear William,

 

I believe that I have already answered your question based on my previous postings on this thread.

 

YES, there are more than one creation of Worlds (plural) ... as it is written in the Scripture.

 

God bless

 

 

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