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Max Lucado’s assessment of Donald Trump

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Best-selling Christian author Max Lucado believes Donald Trump speaks with a forked tongue when he calls himself a Christian one day and launches jaw-dropping personal attacks on people the next.

 

“It would be none of my business, I would have absolutely no right to speak up except that he repeatedly brandishes the Bible and calls himself a Christian,” the San Antonio pastor said in an interview with Christianity Today magazine.

 

“If he’s going to call himself a Christian one day and call someone a bimbo the next or make fun of somebody’s menstrual cycle, it’s just beyond reason to me.”

 

Lucado — the author of nearly 100 Christian books which have sold 80 million copies — said he had never opposed a presidential candidate before the billionaire developer entered the political arena.

 

“There was a time in Iowa when he said ‘I’m a Christian,’ and somebody asked about forgiveness and he said ‘I’ve never asked God for forgiveness.’ I can’t imagine that. I’m just shaking my head going ‘How does that work?'” Lucado said.

 

“Does a swimmer say ‘I’ve never gotten wet?’ Does a musician say ‘I’ve never sung a song?’ How does a person claim to be a Christian and never need to ask for forgiveness?”

 

Trump has made headlines with the shoot-from-the-lip missiles he’s fired at opponents, recently ripping Sen. Ted Cruz as a “totally unstable individual” and the “single biggest liar I’ve ever come across.”

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Like most - if not all - presidential hopefuls, Donald Trump is a nominal Christian, period. Most people don't know the difference between a nominal Christian and a real one. I would have expected Max Lucado to have known the difference...!

 

 

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Like most - if not all - presidential hopefuls, Donald Trump is a nominal Christian, period. Most people don't know the difference between a nominal Christian and a real one. I would have expected Max Lucado to have known the difference...!

 

PermaFrost

 

Helloooo PermaFrost,

 

Are you using the same logic as others are? That is, lets vote for the lesser of two evils, or who would be better Hillary or Trump when the GOP candidate isn't even decided yet? Why use nominal Christian and not lukewarm Christian? Why not false professing Christian or even Cultural Christian?

 

Max Lucado asks, “Does a swimmer say ‘I’ve never gotten wet?’ Does a musician say ‘I’ve never sung a song?’ How does a person claim to be a Christian and never need to ask for forgiveness?”

 

Name one Christian that never asks for forgiveness? Is your answer Donald Trump?

 

Donald Trump is not a Christian, but Christians are to elect God fearing men Exodus 18:21.

 

God bless,

William

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Max Lucado is a hypocrite for singling out Trump. Everyone running in both parties (except Communist Bernie Sanders) claims to be a Christian. Trump might claim more than some of the others to be a Christian, but so what? Some of the others have far darker hearts than Trump. Hitlary has a militant desire to have government promote abortion and sodomy. But, I guess she hasn't called anyone a "bimbo", even though she has implied housewives are bimbos.

 

The only thing Trump is guilty of that the others aren't is his rhetorical style. And, no one thinks Trump is anything but a nominal Christian, so he won't be dragging Christianity through the mud.

 

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Max Lucado is a hypocrite for singling out Trump.

 

I believe Trump is being singled out because the GOP usually holds dear the Christian vote. I think a shift occurred last year during the general election that resulted in a GOP landslide. Some democrats and independents began shifting sides leaning right, and we received a large amount of RINOs. I imagine it is no different than the Catholic Church appealing to Pagans that refused or had not yet transitioned fully to Christianity while still holding to former beliefs. It is a matter of preserving the purity of the faith or in this case the GOP platform.

 

God bless,

William

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Why use nominal Christian and not lukewarm Christian? Why not false professing Christian or even Cultural Christian?

 

Nominal-, professing- and cultural-Christians are one and the same. If they die today, they go to hell; to the same place as Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Wiccans, atheists and every other person not born of the Spirit. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't mean that you are one. Religion never saved anyone. Actually, religion has always been a great force for damnation.

 

Max Lucado asks, “Does a swimmer say ‘I’ve never gotten wet?’ Does a musician say ‘I’ve never sung a song?’ How does a person claim to be a Christian and never need to ask for forgiveness?”

 

If that's what Max Lucado says, then he doesn't understand the concept of nominal Christianity. His analogies are nonsense, anyway. Are KKK members Christian just because they say so? C'mon!

 

Name one Christian that never asks for forgiveness? Is your answer Donald Trump?

 

Trump is a nominal Christian, obviously. People who put their faith in religion (any religion) may or may not ask for forgiveness. God doesn't listen to the prayers of unbeleivers anyway. So, even if Trump asks for forgiveness for one of his sins, his prayer will not rise higher than his cigar's smoke.

 

Donald Trump is not a Christian, but Christians are to elect God fearing men Exodus 18:21.

 

If such men exist, by all means vote for them. In the current crop of presidential hopefuls, I don't see any one as a born-of-the-Spirit Christian. Every one strikes me as a nominal Christian with varying degrees of «religiosity». In the New Testament, Christians are asked to pray for their leaders so that they may be saved, 1 Timothy 2:1-4. Leaders are God-appointed to carry out His will, Romans 13:1-7, Titus 3:1 and 1 Peter 2:13-16. That includes President Obama...sometimes a country needs to be punished...!

 

 

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If that's what Max Lucado says, then he doesn't understand the concept of nominal Christianity. His analogies are nonsense, anyway. Are KKK members Christian just because they say so? C'mon!

 

You didn't answer the question but avoided it. You seemly grasped at other hypocrites and try to normalize a candidate based on whether they're within those normal boundaries.

 

If such men exist, by all means vote for them. In the current crop of presidential hopefuls, I don't see any one as a born-of-the-Spirit Christian. Every one strikes me as a nominal Christian with varying degrees of «religiosity». In the New Testament, Christians are asked to pray for their leaders so that they may be saved, 1 Timothy 2:1-4. Leaders are God-appointed to carry out His will, Romans 13:1-7, Titus 3:1 and 1 Peter 2:13-16. That includes President Obama...sometimes a country needs to be punished...!

 

Seems we didn't read the same OP. You're going off on Nominal Christians and other things while the OP was solely to do with whether Donald Trump is a genuine Christian. As for praying for Obama and other leaders elected into office by the men and women following your logic (a country under leadership needs to be punished), Psalm 109:8 would be a good place to start.

 

People like Obama and Trump are elected into office because they represent certain predominant unbelievers, and lukewarm Christians out there. They have to appeal to some demographic. I often refer to the left as the party of natural or the unregenerate man. "Christians on the left" is oxymoronic, and I will play on the leftist Christian's alignment to secular beliefs as a guilty by association party.

 

I am thankful we belong to a Republic and not a democracy. I am glad there is a Constitution which is not persuaded by the majority vote, but protects the rights of its citizens, and namely the "freedom of religion" when it is popular to vote against it or say, I like cheese but hate milk (I am Christian but not religious).

 

God bless,

William

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Seems we didn't read the same OP. You're going off on Nominal Christians and other things while the OP was solely to do with whether Donald Trump is a genuine Christian.

 

We read the same OP. Nominal Christians don't know they're nominal and would reject the term. Nominal Christians consider themselves Christian because they were born into it, or walked an aisle, or received First Communion or whatever. Such is the nature of religion: it damns those who trust in it rather than in God. Lucado's time would have been better spent writing another book rather than singling out Trump from the other nominal Christians running for the GOP nomination.

 

As for praying for Obama and other leaders elected into office by the men and women following your logic, Psalm 109:8 would be a good place to start.

 

You may pray for their early retirement from office but God is sovereign. In any event, we must also respect the one who holds office.

 

People like Obama and Trump are elected into office because they represent lukewarm Christians out there. They have to appeal to some demographic.

 

Lukewarm Christians are nominal Christians...haven't we already established that?! Most electors in the U.S. don't even bother to vote (LOL) so I'm not sure your statement is accurate. Trump - and Obama before him - represents the desire for change, for a different kind of politician. Trump also represents Hope, like Obama before him. Obama failed, and so will Trump...or anyone else for that matter.

 

You didn't answer the question but avoided it. You seemly grasped at other hypocrites and try to normalize a candidate based on whether they're within those normal boundaries.

 

I answered your question head on. A swimmer necessarily gets wet, a musician necessarily sings, a religionist necessarily says culturally-acceptable things about faith. It would be political suicide for these men to say, «I think Jesus was a great guy but I don't have time to bother with Him»...but that is likely the truth. Like it or not, the present presidential hopefuls are not Christians. Not one. The last Christian President was George W.; he lived his faith, loved Jesus and was the real thing.

 

Personally, I am thankful we belong to a Republic and not a democracy. I am glad there is a Constitution which is not persuaded by the majority vote, but protects the rights of its citizens, and namely the "freedom of religion" when it is popular to vote against it.

 

Yeah... but hat's neither here nor there...it's another topic altogether. And Republics are democracies because their rulers are elected by majority vote...providing the electorate vote, of course...

 

 

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Such is the nature of religion: it damns those who trust in it rather than in God.

 

I think you hate man's misrepresentation of God through religion such as the Pharisees in Scripture. I personally believe Christianity to be a religion, to suggest I am a Christian but hate religion is nothing more than proclaiming I like cheese but hate milk.

 

You may pray for their early retirement from office but God is sovereign. In any event, we must also respect the one who holds office.

 

I suggest you read the entire content of Psalm 109:8. It just isn't his early retirement I pray for. I pray that others do not follow in his footsteps or his promote his ideology as some form of legacy.

 

Though I consider carefully the words of Paul and remember who was in office at that time, and who took his life, there's nothing I respect about Obama nor the people he represents politically.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

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People like Obama and Trump are elected into office because they represent certain predominant unbelievers, and lukewarm Christians out there. They have to appeal to some demographic. I often refer to the left as the party of natural or the unregenerate man. "Christians on the left" is oxymoronic, and I will play on the leftist Christian's alignment to secular beliefs as a guilty by association party.

 

That's all very true. Trump isn't a Christian, and neither is anyone on the Left.

 

I believe Trump is being singled out because the GOP usually holds dear the Christian vote.

 

Does trump have the Christian vote? I think he has a lot of the anti-illegal immigration vote. But, I don't see anyone saying "I'm voting for Trump because he's the Christian of the pack." Most of the other Republican candidates are more credibly Christian, even to someone not paying a lot of attention.

 

Trump's lies about reading the Bible, etc., may be lies, but at least they're not insults of our faith or threats against our freedom. I don't think he's driving away Christians, but who could really be voting for him because he says he's a Christian? Compare to Democrats, where just about every plank on the Democrat platform is a threat against our freedom (e.g. socialized medicine is a loss of economic freedom, a loss of our freedom to choose our own treatments, and a loss of our freedom to not pay for abortion and sex-changes.)

 

Although, I really think Trump's celebrity is his biggest draw. A big chunk of voters always goes for the names they see the most on TV, and Trump gets a lot of TV coverage. Ask the average registered voter to name half of the dozen declared GOP candidates, I doubt they could do it. You can't support someone you don't know. And, even knowing some names doesn't mean much to most people.

 

 

 

 

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But, I don't see anyone saying "I'm voting for Trump because he's the Christian of the pack." Most of the other Republican candidates are more credibly Christian, even to someone not paying a lot of attention.

 

You'd be surprised how many professing Christians I come across day to day on Facebook promoting Trump.

 

Haven't much to add to your post really, which in large I agree.

 

Although, I really think Trump's celebrity is his biggest draw. A big chunk of voters always goes for the names they see the most on TV, and Trump gets a lot of TV coverage. Ask the average registered voter to name half of the dozen declared GOP candidates, I doubt they could do it. You can't support someone you don't know. And, even knowing some names doesn't mean much to most people.

 

 

It's Bill Clinton playing on the Saxophone between MTV videos all over again. A certain demographic is being appealed to from the left to the right. Question is, like Mitt Romney, how many Christians will refuse to vote for Trump should it come down to only him? I think this is why Ted Cruz has a better polling number if it should come down to defeating Hillary. Cruz's margin of victory over Hillary is 3-4 points better than Trump's.

 

God bless,

William

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I think you hate man's misrepresentation of God through religion such as the Pharisees in Scripture. I personally believe Christianity to be a religion, to suggest I am a Christian but hate religion is nothing more than proclaiming I like cheese but hate milk.

 

I never said that I hated religion. All I said was that a religion damns those who trust in it. Nominal Christians trust in their religious mumbo jumbo. Born-again Christians trust in God's promises.

 

A religion is a formalized or institutionalized system of worship. The only religion established and approved by God is ancient Judaism. That religion no longer exists, and was rendered irrelevent after the Cross anyway. Christianity, as such, isn't a religion; it is a faith. It is possible to be a Christian without being part of a religion. Now, there are religions within Christianity; most people call these denominations. All these denominations are human creations. These religions (irrespective of the denomination) are worthwhile for genuine believers in their walk with God. By the same token, these religions damn the nominal Christian by offering them a false sense of salvation.

 

I'll use your milk & cheese analogy to explain further: If genuine faith in God is Milk, cheese would be a denomination. A Born-of-the-Spirit Christian will love Milk and may (or may not) enjoy cheese. A nominal Christian will like cheese but will not care for Milk. And we see evidence of this in «Christians» who do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, «Christians» who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, «Christians» who think other faiths are valid ways to God.

 

...there's nothing I respect about Obama nor the people he represents politically.

 

I'm no fan of Obama either. He hardened ralations with Israel. He backed the Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt. His Cairo speech pandered to America's enemies. Then there's Benghazi...trying to close Guantanamo...the Iran nuclear deal... I don't like the Pope either, but if President Obama or Pope Francis showed up on my doorstep, I would shake the man's hand and welcome him into my home. The high office both hold would be the source of my respect. I'm sure you'd do the same.

 

 

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I don't like the Pope either, but if President Obama or Pope Francis showed up on my doorstep, I would shake the man's hand and welcome him into my home.

 

They wouldn't be able to get off my door step fast enough 2 John 1.

 

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William

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They wouldn't be able to get off my door step fast enough 2 John 1.

 

I don't see what 2 John 1 has to do with the President and the Pope showing up at your front door :confused:

 

I think I'll send Trump to your place and Sanders to Cornelius' house.

 

That should be fun!

 

 

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I don't see what 2 John 1 has to do with the President and the Pope showing up at your front door :confused:

 

I think I'll send Trump to your place and Sanders to Cornelius' house.

 

That should be fun!

 

 

PermaFrost

 

The current POTUS promotes Islam, a religion that rejects the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ as well as Jesus being the Son of God. Not to mention Obama is the most hostile POTUS towards the Christian religion in U.S. history, he clearly opposes the Christian faith. As for the Pope, ya mind as well show your hospitality and bid God speed to the Anti-Christ himself. So you respect the papistry?

 

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we[a] have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

 

God bless,

William

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The current POTUS promotes Islam, a religion that rejects the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ as well as Jesus being the Son of God. Not to mention Obama is the most hostile POTUS towards the Christian religion in U.S. history, he clearly opposes the Christian faith. As for the Pope, ya mind as well show your hospitality and bid God speed to the Anti-Christ himself. So you respect the papistry?

 

I still don't see what any of this has to do with the Bible reference you brought up.

 

If you got from my posts that I respect either Obama or Pope Francis, you are reading my posts all wrong...probably with preconceived notions. Here, read the relevent parts again:

 

I'm no fan of Obama...

 

I don't like the Pope either

 

The office each man has (Head of State) deserves respect. I also don't care for Vladimir Putin but if he came knocking at my door, I'd invite him in. Ditto for most elected leaders in the world. I don't think I'd enjoy meeting with the likes of Kim Jung Un; but some dictators would be interesting to get to know. Fidel Castro would be one such man.

 

As far as the the current Pope being the Antichrist, that's farfetched. My own opinion is that the office of Vicar of Christ/Bishop of Rome is a manifestation of the antichrist in the world. Revelation is clear in that the Antichrist is a man, and a political and religious leader. The Pope fits the description but so does Queen Elizabeth II*, Iran's Ayatolla Khameini and the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia, among others. My own opinion is that the office of the Pope is a manifestation of the Antichrist's power, much in the same way many evangelical leaders' popularity are also manifestations of the Antichrist's power. Genuine Christians may duped by these people, impressed by their office, their power, their charisma, whatever.

 

By now, we are way off topic.

 

 

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*Queen Elizabeth II isn't a man but when her son takes over, the regent and the head of the Anglican Church will be once again a man.

 

 

 

 

 

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I still don't see what any of this has to do with the Bible reference you brought up.

 

Read 2 John 1. John is addressing a woman that was giving quarter or hospitality to those on missions, and those opposing Christian orthodox doctrine. John's point is that we should have nothing to do with those who defend perverse doctrine. To do so is to aide and abet the enemy, working counterproductive to what those on missions are set out to do. I am comparing both Obama, the papistry, and yes, even Trump to those who pervert the faith. You said, you suspect that I too would welcome these men, far from it, into my home.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

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Read 2 John chapter 1.

 

OKaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! ...I was reading 1 John 2! You wanted me to read 2 John but you kept writing «2 John 1». I'd open my Bible to 1-2-3 John and look for 1 Jn 2...! :o Dyslexia?

 

Well, I finally read the right thing but I don't think it has anything to do with the Pope's visit to my place. I'm looking at this strictly as a visit by a Head of State and the Bible clearly says that such men should be honored by virtue of their position. When I first chose Obama and Pope Francis as visitors to my place, I was looking for two people I didn't particularely like in order to make my point. My point is this: a high office deserves respect and the Bible tells us to respect those in office and to pray for them. 2 John is addressing more a guest or a trusted friend who visits you and willfully perverts Scripture for his own aims. This has Nothing to do with my Obama/Pope example. I certainly wouldn't give a polite welcome to the likes of Benny Hinn or Creflo $$$. These two are obvious frauds. (In addition to Pope Francis, I'd also be courteous to Queen Elizabeth, even though I think the Anglican Church is a spiritually dead institution.)

 

Pope Francis the man: for the record, I don't like the man either. He's an antisemite (in anti-Zionist form) and he's further perverting biblical understanding among Roman Catholics, who already have woefully little of it.

 

I enjoy these discussions with you and I don't get angry about stuff...don't be concerned. I haven't yet figured out how to PM...

 

 

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A religion is a formalized or institutionalized system of worship.

 

Christianity is a religion. A denomination is just a group of churches that have a standing relationship with each other.

 

He hardened ralations with Israel.

 

Did Obama cut one penny from the billions of dollars we give to that state that greatly oppresses Christians? Look at how the US treats Syria to see what hardened relations look like.

 

 

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I haven't yet figured out how to PM...

 

Easiest way is to click on a users name and go to their activity tab. There you will see a private message button. Or if you're daring, mouse over your name and avatar right top of your screen. From the drop down you'll see private messages. You can then compose a new message which is a button above your inbox in the left column. Send it by typing in the person's name you're addressing.

 

I enjoy our conversations too PermaFrost!

 

God bless,

William

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Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post

A religion is a formalized or institutionalized system of worship.

 

 

 

Christianity is a religion. A denomination is just a group of churches that have a standing relationship with each other.

 

Yes and no ...but the definition between «faith» and «religion» overlaps, so I was trying to be precise in my conversation with William by distinguishing the two. If I had to do it over again, I would use the term «religious tradition» in the place of «religion». Unfortunately, even that term is ambiguous. What is more important is that William understood the idea I wanted to convey.

 

 

 

 

Did Obama cut one penny from the billions of dollars we give to that state that greatly oppresses Christians? Look at how the US treats Syria to see what hardened relations look like.

 

Google Voice of the Martyrs a worldwide organization that documents Christian persecution and comes to the aid of Christians who suffer for their faith in various countries. Every single Arab country is listed as persecuting Christians. Every single Arab country except one*. Moreover, every single Muslim-majority country in the world is listed as persecuting Christians. Israel is not on the list, but both Palestinian Authority territories of Gaza and «West Bank» are persecutors of Christians. I know this because I have been receiving VOM's Annual Report for several years now. You need to deal with cold, hard facts Cornelius, not antisemitic imaginings.

 

As for Obama & Israel, he is like an absentee father who sends money to his child by legal obligation but doesn't want to spend any time with the child. And, he tells everyone he meets that he regrets the day he met the child's mother.

 

 

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*Malta is the only Arab nation that allows Christians freedom of religion. Malta is also the only Arab nation that is nominally Christian...

 

 

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As for Obama & Israel, he is like an absentee father who sends money to his child by legal obligation but doesn't want to spend any time with the child. And, he tells everyone he meets that he regrets the day he met the child's mother.

 

LoL

 

Made me think of something, thanks for inspiring this PermaFrost: https://www.christforums.org/forum/christian-community/bible-study/old-testament/11252-deuteronomy-23-2

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Yes and no ...but the definition between «faith» and «religion» overlaps

 

Look in the dictionary at the definition of Religion.

 

noun

1.

a set of beliefs...

 

Christianity is a religion. Denying that is outright nonsense. Worse than the nonsense is the reason some people deny Christianity is a religion, to encourage disrespect to the institutions and culture of Christianity. It's like if Tom says, "I'm going to go to church now" and you reply "Christianity isn't about going to church... sleep in."

 

 

Every single Arab country is listed as persecuting Christians. Every single Arab country except one*

 

I don't I'll going to but a dent in someone's Israel idolizing, but not being on someone's list of countries that persecutes Christians doesn't mean that Israel doesn't greatly oppress Christianity. E.g. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/05/palestine-israel-schools-christian-jewish-orthodox-education.html#

 

How do you think Israel would treat Christians if they didn't depend on the western Christian community to continue their continued existence. But, as long as we're fighting their wars and giving them billions annually, we could at least ask that not to discriminate against Christians so massively.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Look in the dictionary at the definition of Religion.

 

If you use a comprehensive dictionary, you'll see a more precise definition of the word «religion». In my discussion with William, it was important to make the distinction between faith and religion, so I used a very precise definition of «religion» found in Merriam Webster's Third New International Dictionary. The Oxford English Dictionary also has precise definitions of the word «religion». If you only use a standard dictionary or an online dictionary, you'll just get the broadest of meanings.

 

Your pro-Palestinian site is hilarious! What is even funnier is that you think an Arab apologist site will give you accurate news on Israel! Now I understand where your ignorance of things Israeli comes from. And no wonder you're an antisemite. Also, it's no surprise that you assume that anyone who attempts to set you straight about Israel is dubbed an «Israel idolizer». You are somewhat of a caricature of the Angry Christian, like those Westboro Baptist comedians...LOL

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you amusing.

 

 

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If you use a comprehensive dictionary, you'll see a more precise definition of the word «religion».

 

Are you going to play these Evangelical games all the way to the grave? All respected dictionaries agree with me, even the ones you cited (but didn't quote or link). Merriam Webster's Third New International Dictionary, religion "the belief in a god...", "an organized system of beliefs..." And, in your dictionary under Christianity, "the religion that is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ." Why do you persist in nonsense game with the only purpose of teaching disrespect to the institutions and culture of Christianity?

 

Christianity is a religion. As for faith, that the word for following a religion.

 

Your pro-Palestinian site is hilarious!

 

Denial of facts is disgraceful, as is idolizing a state that is established on the rejection of Christ. Israeli newspapers report the same facts concerning the relative under-funding of Christian schools in Israel, as one example of the pervasive oppression of Christianity in Israel. The region of Israel was 20% Christian before 1948. Now it's 2% Christian. How is it possible that it's 2% Christian when a top doctrine of Christianity is spreading Christianity. And, in Israel where the dominate religion has no interest in spreading itself. That reflects the oppression of Christianity. Israel's non-violent means is as effective as the violent means in Islamic countries.

 

Iraq, before the 2003 US invasion was 6% Christian. Before 1948, it was 12% Christian. Before the war the US/Israel opened up on middle-eastern Christians by toppling moderate regimes, the Islamic countries were generally more tolerant of Christianity than Israel. But, I'm not here to defend Islamic countries because they reject Jesus as Savior. Why do you defend, even with falsehoods, a country that rejects Jesus as Christ and Savior, even when doing so has lead to virtual genocide against Christians in the greater region?

 

Yeah, laugh. "You're pro-Palestinian site is hilarious..." That article was written by a Christian with American citizenship who works in Tel Aviv and has articles published in leading Israeli newspapers. Maybe you'd respected him if he denied Jesus is the Christ.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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