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  • thisnthat
    replied to Pain might not be that bad.
    I think it's good to avoid all meds, IF possible. There are way too many side effects, and yes, some drugs may cloud your thinking. Avoiding dependence/addiction is also a consideration.

    I don't see them as a stumbling block when needed. I mean, if you think about it, how clear is your head anyway, when you're in excruciating pain? I have chronic pain, which also leads to fatigue and exhaustion. There is nothing clear minded about that feeling. I don't take anything unless I have to. When I need it, I do, and I'm thankful for it.
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  • No, it's definitely not new. I've known about the evil stuff for a long time. It's the blatant hate that was like a slap in the face. It's the outright attacks that caught me a bit off guard, especially coming from the "inclusive" and "tolerant" ones.

    I don't wish to look up anything having to do with devil worship. I want to steer clear of that but point taken.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The Beast Starts to Take Form
    Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for the link. Good read.

    I can see something like this being used by the beast though, so why make it any easier for him? ha ha. I see why people are afraid of it.

    I think it will be used for evil by governments (even if not yet by the beast). It's way too intrusive, so I don't like anything about it. Relating it to the mark just made it even less appealing.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The Beast Starts to Take Form
    That's a very interesting take on the matter, atpollard . It does make sense (and it also makes more sense of the extreme "political correctness" we see today). At the same time, I've always been taught that it would be a mark.

    I have to admit, I don't like the sound of having a chip implanted. It definitely gave me pause. I too questioned whether or not something like this would be the mark.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Do you make money online?
    Also, if you have skills, you can earn better money by freelancing. You might start out selling "gigs" on a site called Fiverr. There are lots of other freelance sites as well, for writing, photography, design, and more.

    The PTC (paid to click) sites are slow earners. GPT (get paid to) offer small tasks. There are survey sites as well, but they are hit or miss.

    There are sites and forums dedicated to making money online, which can be good sources of info. You can see which sites people recommend and which ones they say to avoid. Good luck.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
    in Life
    I don't know where you get your "facts." Feeding America says that 1 out of 7 people go hungry every year. Many of these are "working poor" as well. Food banks are put in place for a reason.

    Even if you don't think Americans count, there are poor people all over the world....
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  • That was my first question. Why is everyone making out in a cartoon for kids? Aren't they faced with this kind of thing soon enough without it also being embedded into their entertainment? Can't we just let kids be kids?

    There is enough brainwashing in public schools. At least we have more control over what they watch on TV....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
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    I think "the poor" can indicate anyone who is in need. Maybe they have been temporarily hit with hard times or maybe they have been poor all their lives. I don't think it really matters.

    I don't know where you got that idea. There are plenty of poor people in the US. Not everyone here is "rich."...
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  • Exactly. This is how I believe as well. We can't always judge whether or not someone is saved, because even saved people still sin. Maybe that's one of the reasons that we're told not to judge. We're not very good at it. Only God knows a person's heart.

    On topic, I don't know how people think they can "stop" being a Christian, if they really were one in the first place....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Traditional Hymns or Contemporary Music?
    I get choked up every time I hear or especially sing "The Old Rugged Cross." Just thinking about what Jesus had to go through for us, for me... it touches my heart. "Amazing Grace" has always been one of my favorites. Not only is it beautiful, but it's also very inspiring.

    "How Great Thou Art," is a favorite of mine. It makes me think about all the things He has made and done for us. Even something as simple as a breeze is made for us, to refresh us. He takes such good care of us.....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Praying For Money
    I don't know Zero. It seems to me that we can ask God for anything. He may not feel that what we are asking for is in our best interest. Then, He might say no. I still think it's okay to ask. Like a child asking for something from a parent. Kids may think that what they are asking is important and necessary, but the parent may know better. I think it works the same way with God.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
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    That's true, Ali_s we can all make a difference. It doesn't always require giving cash in order to help someone. You can make someone's life a little better just by lending a helping hand or calling in to let them know that someone cares.

    What about the "pay it forward" thing? Is anyone into doing that kind of stuff? It happened to us recently. The person ahead of us paid for our purchase. It really makes your day (even though we didn't really need it It would be nice to do for someone in need though).

    Also, what about "charity begins at home?" Do you feel that you should give more to your relatives and stuff first, even if they aren't quite as needy as those who receive help from various charities?
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  • That may actually be part of the problem though, nailah783. Some people think that if they don't change your mind, you weren't listening. Frankly, there are few serious issues on which I'm going to change my mind at this point. I know what I believe. I know some of these topics backwards and forwards, and I've heard the arguments. That doesn't mean that I can't still understand why someone else feels the way they do about a certain subject. It doesn't mean I "hate" them. We don't all have to agree on everything in order to treat each other with decency.
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  • Thanks for the laugh. I can almost picture them actually doing something like this.

    Huffpo doesn't have the market on feigned outrage, but they are indeed pretty good at it. We could insert the names of several different "news" outlets in this satire piece and it would read the same.

    The "highly professional, unbiased journalists" part was the funniest.
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  • Well said, friend. We tiptoe around everyone else yet do things that are wholly offensive to our Savior. That just doesn't make any sense. Man, that's messed up.

    That really hit me, even though I should already know it. Thanks for that.

    What's more is how some people find any mention of God to be "offensive." I don't know what they are so afraid of. Do they think the mere mention will somehow convert them?...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Saying Grace?
    We did say grace when I was growing up, at least most of the time. I have to admit that I don't always do so now. We don't usually all sit down and eat together, due to differing schedules. Sometimes, I'm grabbing something on the go.

    I do tend to give thanks for various things, including food and other needs as well as comforts, throughout the day and during my "regular" prayers (devotions and then before bed).

    We usually say grace when the whole family gets together for an occasion and eats together.
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  • Yep, it's often the ones who demand that you tolerate their views who are the least likely to tolerate the views of everyone else. They don't want "equality," no matter how much they protest for it. They really want a double standard, where their views are respected and no one else can dare to disagree or even share an opinion. They aren't "open minded" at all. You're right; they are bullies. If you try to debate then, they quickly begin calling names and spewing hate-filled rants, because they know they have no argument. You can't have it both ways. Even when you're not having a discussion, some are quick to be hateful toward any person of faith and they have no problem being as nasty about it as possible.

    If I took half of what they say and turned it around, using their exact wording, there would be heck to pay....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to What does it mean to truly pray?
    You make another really good point, befocused. Pray without ceasing was a hard thing for me to understand. Someone explained it to me as praying in regard to all things, no matter how great or how small. I was of the mindset that some things were just too small or unimportant to "bother" God with. The person told me that like a parent with His child, nothing is unimportant to Him. That was quite a blessing to me, to think that God himself cares even about the little things in my life.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
    in Life
    Thank you all for the suggestions. I have actually heard about some of these. I will look into them.

    Some people don't like to give (especially to "beggars"), because they feel like their gifts may be used unwisely. I don't really think that's up to us though. I think we are meant to show compassion. What they do with the money is between them and God.
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  • I was thinking, "what took them so long?" and then I saw this part. That is good news. I'll be curious to see what comes of this investigation (if anything). There really is no excuse. I'm sure that won't stop them from coming up with plenty of excuses though.

    It seems that Christians aren't considered one of the "protected" groups even though people who practice other religions are....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
    in Life
    I get what you're saying, and for the most part, I think the same way. On the other hand, that "healthy looking beggar" may have been hit with a catastrophic emergency beyond their control. We don't know the struggles that others are dealing with just by looking at them.

    Teaching people a skill or helping them get work to earn their own way is great. Can you list some of the foundations that do that? I'd like to look into them further. They'd be my first choice when it comes to donating time, money, or goods....
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  • Ha ha, Amazon does seem to be taking over the world. This one almost rings true. I guess we'll see Walmart stepping up next. Will they try to outbid?

    Do I hear 4.6 trillion, gimme 6, now give me point 7...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
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    I agree, and I'm sure they'll be held accountable for that. Yes, they give Christianity a bad name. All the more reason for good churches to be beacons of hope (and help) in their communities, yes?

    That's all I was getting at, but apparently, I haven't been expressing myself very well. :)

    I feel for the poor. The churches I've attended taught that and put their money, and time, and effort, where their mouth is.. so to speak. Others don't. I wonder why....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Yoga
    William This subject is something that had me really curious, so I read that article too. I also found another. Let me just add a disclaimer that I know nothing else about the author of this article nor the site, but I felt that the article was informative. It really made me think. I hope others might find it useful as well.

    Here's an excerpt: "When Christians practice yoga, they must either deny the reality of what yoga represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitments and their embrace of yoga. The contradictions are not few, nor are they peripheral." Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr.

    The rest can be found here: The Subtle Body - Should Christians Practice Yoga? - AlbertMohler.com
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
    in Life
    I hope what I said wasn't taken as being a criticism of The Church (in general). My point was that I think it's a good idea to encourage specific, individual, churches to play a bigger role in their community.

    Most of the churches I've attended have been great about doing this. I've just seen some others that seem ... "closed off." I don't understand that. That's the reason for the discussion.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to About fighting and self defense
    Jean I understand that this is what you believe, but I don't know where you get that in the Bible. The Bible tells us that we will have trials and tribulations. We are told that things won't be perfect, but that God will help us.

    John 16:33

    I don't know of any Biblical teaching that says positive thinking can just will away all problems or negative situations. Do you honestly believe that there has not and will not ever be a single negative thing in your life, because you think positively? That seems to me like you think you are making something happen (or not happen) rather than God being in control. I just don't know how to reconcile that.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
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    William yeah, I'm not talking about entitled people demanding handouts for things that they don't need. I'm talking about people who don't have enough to eat, being turned away from churches. Shouldn't churches help their community?

    In another case, there was a church that wouldn't open its doors as a safe haven during a severe storm. It was the only place nearby that could have sheltered numerous people, with a full basement. They flat out said no, and while they may have had a reason, they didn't offer one. I could never understand things like that.

    WWJD?
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  • thisnthat
    replied to About fighting and self defense
    Well, Jean positive thinking is a good thing, but it only goes so far. Bad things can and do still happen, even to those who do their best to maintain a positive attitude. Even people who are not "looking for trouble" sometimes have bad things happen to them. Being prepared for dangerous situations is not inviting trouble. Preparedness is intended to prevent problems, not cause them.

    The preventative measures listed below are a good start. Not putting yourself into dangerous situations, being aware of your surroundings, locking your doors at home, etc. are all good things. If carrying a defense weapon makes you uncomfortable, that's your choice.
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  • Or, perhaps he realizes that as it stands, it's not in the best interest of our country. As much as other countries seem to hate this one, they sure do like to spend our money.



    I wouldn't want to stand too close to her when she opens her mouth. Disgusting. I don't understand how they get away with invoking God from time to time, when it's painfully obvious they know nothing about Him. Can't people see through that?...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to About fighting and self defense
    You are a very thoughtful person, Sue D.. This is something I hadn't even given a thought. Color me embarrassed.

    Still, that person's actions are their own choice, so I don't really think you could be blamed for "sending them to hell." I wouldn't want that feeling either though. I also don't ever want to be in a position where I have to consider killing another person. I pray that never happens....
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  • Indeed. Thanks for the reminder from the 70s. Not aging myself at all here, ha ha.

    Your second paragraph covers my position nicely. It makes one wonder about the true agenda. Well, at least it makes thinking people question it. I've always taken issue with the idea that some can pollute heavily, but that's okay. Is buying carbon credits still a thing?

    It seems pretty obvious that following the money will uncover many answers than we'll never get out of papers or speeches.
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  • Your last sentence sums up the way a lot of liberals think, ChatterBox. They ease their conscience and decide they've done their part by ticking whatever box is most convenient for them (whether it actually does anything or not).

    I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers the "threat" of global cooling. Of course, it wasn't called that back then, but it amounts to the same thing. Weren't we supposed to be in another ice age right now? Good thing they changed the name from global warming to "climate change." Just keep redefining words, and eventually you'll hit on something that the masses will accept....
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  • I think there are a lot of other issues to consider as well. Government "services" are rarely handled efficiently, thus a lot of the money that is put into them is wasted. A good example is with prescriptions.Here, people can get a discount, if they have a prescription filled for several months instead of for only one month. What was known as obamacare wouldn't allow something like that though. A person could only get the month's worth, which literally cost more than getting 3 months worth of the same medicine.

    There are also people who work the system and take advantage of it. Some just lie, some do like William described above. Either way, it's broken, and ends up leaving some people that really are in need out in the cold.

    Expecting the government to take care of everyone is not the same thing as charity anyway.
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  • Certainly there are questions. I don't think it's wrong to ask specific questions for the sake of curiousity, I think it's wrong to question whether or not what God said is true. We don't have to know exactly how it happened to believe it happened.

    Sue D. The verse you posted gives us much more than measurements and tells us more than that those measurements meant how much above the mountains the water rose. It also clearly says "all" the mountains under the "entire" heavens. That doesn't sound like a local flood to me....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Do you make money online?
    Making money online and making a living online are two very different things. Since you mentioned supplementing your income, you should be able to find a variety of tasks that will allow you to earn some extra money. Sites that offer such tasks are often called "beer money" sites, but of course, you don't have to spend your money on beer. The name is just given to indicate that you will make small amounts of "extra" money rather than making enough to make a living. It's a good search term to use for trying to find earning sites. You can also try searching "side hustle."

    You will probably need to sign up for several different sites, in order to make it worth your while. The best advice I can give you is to check reviews and do some research before joining any sties. There are a lot of scams out there.
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  • Thanks Origen,. I think I was reading it wrong or something. This makes it more clear for me. So, when something is bracketed, is that like pointing out that it was a margin note?

    This is a very interesting topic for me. It's not something I ever really learned about in Christian school or in church.
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  • Sue D. I never thought about it like that. It makes sense to though, since the world was a different place back then.

    I don't know why people think it's metaphorical, and I've yet to see an answer. It seems like a very detailed account, and I can't recall such detailed instructions (or anything else) being given in stories/parables.

    I also don't know why a pair of every single type of animal would have been gathered if it had just been a "local" flood....
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic Joani from "Happy Days"

    Joani from "Happy Days"

    Remember Erin Moran who played Joani on "Happy Days"? Well, unfortunately she recently passed away. While that's sad to hear, the story below has good news to share. She apparently accepted Christ years ago. Another child star, led her to the Lord.

    I wasn't aware that she was a Christian, but I'm happy to learn this. I didn't know Lisa Welchel was either.

    You can find info here:'Happy Days' Actress Came to Christ Through 'Facts of Life' Friend | CBN News...
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  • Hi David Lee,

    Okay, thanks, but I still don't get it. Maybe I'm being dim here, but I'm confused. How can they be "translated" from older manuscripts that didn't contain them? If they aren't in the older manuscripts then where did they come from? Are there other sources of information that were used in conjunction with those manuscripts? Was more information found later?...
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  • May I ask what causes you to think this? I was taught that it was the whole world.

    I'm not sure how that lines up with God's promise about never flooding (the "world") again. We do still have devastating floods, but not world wide. He isn't breaking His promise, so... how does that work?...
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  • This is very interesting. I had no idea how this worked. I've always been curious how it's known what should and should not go in the Bible. I hadn't really heard about missing verses per se. I have heard of stuff that people try to add, but I think they are full of beans.

    Thanks for the explanation there, William. That makes a lot of sense.

    Hmm, where did those verses come from then, theophilus? If they are missing in the manuscripts where did they originate?...
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic Fantasia's Story

    Fantasia's Story

    I thought this story was cool, so I thought I'd share. Apparently, this singer from "American Idol" found God in an unusual way. Someone asked her to Bible study, and that same women ended up being her neighbor. God really does work in mysterious ways. Can you imagine this happening? You got to the mailbox and find out she's your neighbor. Wow....
    Soul singer Fantasia Taylor, the "American Idol" alumna whose maiden name is Barrino, is revealing just how much one neighbor's prayers have changed her life.
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  • I want to clarify my previous post. If I'm certain that wrongdoing is occurring, if there is evidence of it, I'll avoid donating.

    If I don't know it for a fact then I have donated in some cases, It's like giving money to someone on the street when you don't know what they'll do with the money. I pray that the gift will be blessed and use appropriately, but I can't control what the person will do with it once I've given it to them.

    This is sometimes the case with relief efforts and charity organizations as well. If there is proof of wrongdoing though, I try to steer clear.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    I felt that way too. I think it was that feeling that did me more damage. You have to find a way to trust that He can and will help you instead. I don't say that flippantly, because I know it's easier said than done.

    I started praying, "Thank you that you are going to help." Praying with thanksgiving and expectation.

    God is with us and for us. He wants to prosper us not harm us. We have to do our part too and believe, have faith.

    It's not easy to climb out of despair, especially when you're exhausted. I know. I don't sleep right ever since that time (although my issues aren't as severe as yours are). I remember once when I barely slept for a long time, and I would have rather pulled my hair out than pray. I had to force myself to do it, and keep doing it.


    I will keep praying for you....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Wearing a cross
    I have heard several different arguments, including the ones mentioned. I have also heard people say that a cross is fine. They do take issue with a crucifix though. They say that in showing Jesus still on the cross, it is a denial of the fact that he arose. I guess people have opinions about everything, especially when it comes to religion or religious symbols.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with wearing a cross, personally. I'd pray about it if I thought it was an issue.
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  • God bless all who were impacted by this awful act in any way. I think it's a good idea to also pray that others like the terrorist will see how wrong it is, how many innocent people were affected, and realize it's not the answer.

    I was taught to pray in any situations like this, even when you hear a siren go by, or hear something on the local news. Can you imagine the healing power? People don't even know that somebody, somewhere is praying for them, but God's hand is upon them.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to About fighting and self defense
    Interesting. I read this in another way entirely. To me, it seemed like if you kill someone in the moment, while breaking into your house, you're not guilty of a crime. If you waited until the next day (after the sun has risen on him) to go kill him, that would be murder.

    I believe turn the other cheek is more about not seeking vengeance for your wounded pride. After all, a slap in the face generally hurts your pride more than it does any real, physical harm. So, you're supposed to be humble and turn the other cheek instead of seeking revenge. I don't think that means you have to stand still and allow someone to seriously hurt or kill you or the people you love without using any defense....
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  • I'm all for listening to someone who is willing to engage in reasoned debate. I'm interested in learning why people think the way they do, even if I disagree. So, yes, I agree with the premise of what you're saying.

    On the other hand, it's hard to listen to people who are shouting in protest, shouting down anyone who dares to have a different opinion. When the first line of defense for some is to call people names (like bigot) or try to shame them into conforming, they aren't going to win hearts and minds.

    We should love our neighbor. You don't have to agree with someone to care about them. Disagreement isn't the same thing as hate, despite what some would have us believe..
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  • I don't recall that show, but it made me think of "Veggie Tales". I'm not certain about some of the stories they have. It's animated and geared toward small children. Some Christians like it, others don't. I'd recommend watching it first before introducing it to children (as with anything really), in case it doesn't fit what you find acceptable.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    I'm sorry to hear that things haven't improved yet.

    I don't believe that God wants to hurt us, although I've felt that way before. I know it sounds lame to say that these trials make us stronger, but I believe it's true. He brought me back from the edge of despair, and I'm praying that He will do the same for you.

    Several years ago, one of my children went missing for nearly two years. I was destroyed emotionally, broken. Going through that also destroyed my health. I went through every emotion, including anger, rage, hate. It was the most horrible experience of my life, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I couldn't eat, because I'd wonder if she was eating. I couldn't sleep, because I'd wonder if she was sleeping. I'd sit and cry over her winter coat and wonder if she was cold. I was so entirely miserable, and just... broken. I didn't think I'd ever be able to heal from it. Some of that trauma still weighs on me at times. The only thing that got me through...
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  • Nope, as stated in my previous posts, I've just noticed it more lately. I also said I didn't used to watch a lot of TV or movies, but I watch more now.

    Now that I'm exposed to it more, it bothers me more. I wish people could see some good examples of Christians in the mainstream, instead of being bombarded with the bad. Some of those TV "evangelists" that have gone down in shame haven't helped much either....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    Hey, how are you? I'm glad to see you stopped by. I didn't want to push though, so I left it at the last message.

    How have you been feeling?

    I didn't get a chance to see your message before you edited, but I hope you are well....
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  • I agree, Sparky. Demanding special treatment is not in any way the same as fighting for equality. I've said the same thing about groups like BLM. If they really want to help, why aren't they protesting in neighborhoods where the people are killing each other in record numbers? Why aren't they trying to fight against senseless murders occurring on a regular basis? Chicago would be a good start. The gun violence (despite strict gun laws) is out of hand. People kill each other daily, far more often than police kill them.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Ending abortion
    I haven't heard about the things you mentioned as far as food. As far as stem cells go, there is a lot of debate. Some says that even adult stem cells are beneficial, if so, why would they need to harvest from killed babies? Follow the money, I guess.

    What about the videos of Planned Parenthood talking about harvesting and selling baby parts? What ever happened there? It was swept under the rug rather quickly, and I haven't heard any more about it. Not something the "mainstream media" is eager to cover, I'm sure.
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  • I'm not sure how many people saw Him after He arose, but I know there were more than the ones mentioned above. Thomas had to touch the wounds..What about Mary Magdalene?

    Maybe not everyone wrote a separate account, but it makes sense that they would have told other people. I would have told everyone.

    How many testimonials would it take to equal "proof"?
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  • Clearly, this is true. First, the Bible tells us even if not so many words. I'm also sure that I'm not the only who can attest to it via personal experience. It is very difficult to know that someone you love is not going to Heaven. Of course, we need to pray for them and try to be a witness and an example. Even so, they may not be saved. It's painful.



    Absolutely. I always hear how "it's none of your business" what others believe, but if I love them, it matters to me whether or not they know the truth. I can't make them accept it, but neither can I avoid telling them the truth....
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  • Performing miracles would indicate that one already believes, yes?

    I think there is a difference between a miracle taking place (of God's choosing) and demanding that one take place as a sign of proof. A big difference and one we are warned against in the Bible. We are not to "test" God in that way. Faith is believing without proof, and we can only be saved by faith. How is it faith if you demand proof?...
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  • Thanks for that, William. I found it very interesting. I have to admit that sometimes, it can be a bit confusing for me. This spells things out in ways that make it a bit simpler to understand. Number 4 is particularly beautiful.

    Of course, I don't necessarily have to understand things to believe them, but still, this helps. I've often had trouble trying to explain it to others, since I have issues of understanding as well. I like these breakdowns and find this quite useful....
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  • We don't need proof. We need faith. If God caves in to such demands and just shows Himself, where does faith come in?

    Besides, even if God did choose to reveal Himself in such a way, there would still be deniers. Some would claim that it wasn't really God who made the fire, or that it was a magic trick. Some wouldn't care even if they thought God did it. They still wouldn't choose Him....
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  • Yeah, something about the title of the show made me think twice about watching it. I figured is she really were saving herself for marriage, they would quickly change that or showcase someone who was quite the opposite. I'm glad I didn't bother with it now.

    My mother was very particular about what we watched as small children. Even on "wholesome" shows if a particular episode featured something she found even questionable, she would turn it off. I don't recall what it was now, but I remember her turning off "Little House on the Prairie" one time. I can't even imagine what it could have been, because I don't recall anything bad in that show (I even had all the books).
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  • Finding good Christian shows these days is a tough task. You may be able to find something that's "family friendly" and not filled with agenda driven garbage, but I can't think of any shows that are actually geared toward Christians specifically, at least not off the top of my head (other than just preaching, but not entertainment shows). There are a few movies out there, but I can't vouch for them as I haven't seen them yet. You might look in that direction though.

    I have noticed that even some things that are classified as "family friendly" really aren't. I even take issue with some of the Disney stuff.

    You might have better luck with older stuff, or a channel that shows classics. "Little House on the Prairie" was a good, clean, show. "Bonanza," and stuff like that.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Traditional Hymns or Contemporary Music?
    I like that. Your last sentence gives good perspective. Since you said that, I guess hymns do seem somewhat more reverent, at least compared to pop style Christian music or Christian rock. Not all contemporary songs fit these genres though.

    I still think God enjoys it when we sing praises to Him in any form, so I don't really see it as right or wrong. But yeah, reverence is a good thing, and He certainly deserves more of it.
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  • True, it's not new. It just seems more prevalent to me now (or maybe I wasn't paying as close attention). I didn't use to watch as much TV movies a few years ago either, so that could be part of it.

    Well, that was an interesting article. Thanks. I don't see it as 'whining' per se. I think people should speak out. I get the point though. Good Christians are seen as boring, not entertaining, and entertainment is the name of the game.

    Yes, we should try to be a good example, but then again, we don't have the same reach as a movie or a TV network either. I agree more with your last paragraph than with the article....
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  • Christianity under attack even in Entertainment

    I have been noticing a lot of hate for all things Christian, even in basic entertainment. It seems that there is an anti-Christian agenda in TV shows and movies, especially those made in countries outside the US. Maybe I just notice it more now, but I seem to be seeing a lot of Christians portrayed as crazy people. They seem to take all the extremes and put them together to make Christians look nuts. There are a lot of shows and movies about religious cults and stuff too. How many Jim Jones types are really out there that it should be so prevalent a theme? It gets old, to put it mildly.

    I've mentioned it in some reviews, especially after watching something so bad that I had to turn it off without completing it. Of course, many people don't like that and are quick to argue or downvote such reviews.

    Is it just me, or do others noticing it being more common as well?
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Traditional Hymns or Contemporary Music?
    I have heard some people say that. They aren't comfortable with the contemporary tempo. Some feel like it's trying to conform to worldly music. Some really don't like Christian rock, but even the more contemporary "church music" seems to make them uncomfortable.

    I also feel like some people just don't like change. If they truly feel it is wrong, I don't blame them for wanting to avoid it. Personally, I don't have an issue with it....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Divorce
    I don't think we can all be conformed to one religion. That wasn't what I was trying to say. I was referencing the Bible. It applies to everyone equally.

    I think it's a personal issue between each person and God to learn to balance man's laws with His. Just because our laws say something is "legal" doesn't mean it's okay. That's something that each person has to decide based on his or her own convictions.

    Abortion is "legal." Does anyone think God thinks it's okay? I don't....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to What does it mean to truly pray?
    Well said, Jamsy.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with memorized prayers, like the Lord's prayer. I just think there needs to be more than that. At least for me there needs to be more. I feel the need to pour out my heart sometimes, and I also feel the need to thank Him, like you said.

    I think memorized prayers are learning tools. Tools that teach us how to pray, and I don't see a problem with that. I just don't feel like they are enough for me, on their own, to have real communication with the Lord.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Answers to prayer.
    in Life
    Good question. I can only speak for myself. I have never heard God speak aloud. It's more a sense of feeling led in a specific direction for me. Sometimes there are signs.

    We also have to be careful that it isn't just "that little voice inside" that we hear. I think that's specially true if that voice is just saying what we want to hear....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Divorce
    As stated in what you quoted, "just because something is legal doesn't make it moral or ethical."

    I don't think the discussion was really about "choice" here so much as what is right or wrong according to God's word. With that in mind, what's wrong/right for one is wrong/right for everyone. We aren't supposed to pick and choose which parts of the Bible we want to obey, just because it's what we want (although we're all sinners and we all do that and are tempted to do it).

    The law of the land is to be respected, yes, but it doesn't supersede the law of God....
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  • I think there is a difference between simply having shared interests and sharing the same faith.



    Christians are human. We still make mistakes, do things wrong, lie... just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they are going to be perfect,Still, I can relate what you're saying here. Having good examples in your life can definitely be beneficial,.

    Sadly, there are some people out their who will use the pretense of "faith" as a way of getting you to trust them so they can take advantage of you....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Divorce
    Interesting, but I think I am more confused now, ha ha.



    It's not me. I am happily married (just the one time) and have been for over 20 years. It was just a question that came to mind based on the experience of someone I know.

    So, even if it wasn't your choice, you feel you are bound to that person? I guess that makes sense, since the vows say 'til death do us part.

    atpollard what you posted does make it sound situation dependent. I'll have to look into this further to be clear. I always thought that infidelity was the only allowable reason to move on.

    I also never really thought about it in terms of "it isn't an unforgivable sin" as mentioned above. I don't really see how one could "repent" while staying in the "wrong" marriage though. Wouldn't they be living in perpetual sin?...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Divorce
    I have a question. What if one person insists on divorce, but the other person wants to try to save the marriage? In some states, the person who wants it can get it, even if their spouse doesn't want it. So, is the person who did not want the divorce committing adultery if they remarry, even if they had no control over the situation?

    Someone I know divorced his wife against her wishes. Is it wrong for her to remarry then, when he basically abandoned the marriage?

    Hmmm, actually, in their case I guess it's not wrong, since he cheated on her and left her for another woman. The infidelity on his part frees her. Still, I'm curious. If it were for another reason, what about the person who contests the divorce?
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Giving Praise
    I'm confused by this. Could you elaborate on why this would be an issue?

    I get the part about where 2 or more are gathered, He's there with them, but I didn't know there was a controversy over worshiping outside of church. I don't see how that works. Somehow, I don't think God would be against his followers praising Him, even when they're on their own. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I just don't get it.

    I've seen a lot of verses about singing to the Lord, and I don't recall them saying anything about having to be in church to do it. In fact, some of them say "all the earth" should sing to God. It seems to me that it's meant to be an open expression more than a ritual....
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  • Of course, I believe the Bible, but it's not my only source for "knowing" God. All I have to do is look around me... "be still, and know..." I mean, seriously, how can anyone look around at the sky, clouds, trees, flowers, water, people, animals, insects, birds singing, etc. and say there is no God? This stuff didn't just *bang* happen. I see God in everything.

    It reminds me of this little old lady that used to come into this country store where I worked. She was especially smiley one day, so I asked why. She said, "I saw a cow this morning. I stopped and really took a good look at that cow, and I thought, 'God is amazing.' So, I said, 'God, you is amazing!' and I've been having a blessed day ever since."...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Answers to prayer.
    in Life
    I've seen it my life and in the lives of others that God does work in mysterious ways. A relative had a large bill due and had no idea how to pay it. She prayed, asked me to pray, but of course, our first thoughts were praying to find ways to get the money. God delivered, but He had other ideas of how to get the requested result. Instead of extra work, a windfall, or anything like that, He helped with the amount. The amount was lowered, and she had just enough to cover it.

    If I put on my thinking cap, I'm sure I can remember other occasions as well (my memory isn't what it used to be).
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Weed
    For medicinal purposes, it doesn't have to be smoke-able "weed." There are different forms of it that can be used, when it's used as medicine.

    I never did understand how opiates can be considered okay, but drugs made from "weed" are not. Marijuana grows from the earth, so do poppies. So, really, what's the difference?

    I think the stigma is ridiculous. It seems like most people are just afraid that this will be abused (but then, aren't other prescription drugs as well?) If someone is in chronic pain and this will help, can you really blame them for wanting to try it and see if it does help?
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  • Jesus hung around with a few unsavory types at times, didn't He? Aren't we supposed to have compassion for them and share the message? How can we if we're too busy turning our noses up?

    I don't think we are supposed to just shut ourselves off from all non-Christians and sit around in an echo chamber. We can't just completely avoid the unsaved. I mean, not every family member is saved either, but we still associate with them too.

    On the other hand, I also agree that we have to be careful not to let them drag us down with them.
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  • I didn't realize this section was here either. I love this kind of thing. It's much more uplifting than the daily news, which is often horrible stuff. "If it bleeds, it leads." I hope to start contributing to this section regularly (if I can remember).

    I get tired of the hateful stuff and sensationalist, click bait, headlines, so finding some good news is... good news to me.

    As for the capitalization, yes I was always taught to capitalize God when it is used as a name. I was also told it's best to capitalize pronouns (Him, His) when indicating God. The latter is sometimes hard to remember.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Have you experienced healing power?
    in Life
    I'm glad you are okay. I'm glad your child is as well.

    My miracles seem to revolve around my children, although I do know that I myself have received God's protection at times as well. I've been in a couple of accidents that could have been much, much worse.

    One of my other kids has as well. While she does still experience some issues from the accident, she's in surprisingly good shape. She could have been killed.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Bill of Rights
    If only the federal government would stick to its enumerated powers and our "leaders" would actually learn and follow the Constitution instead of sidestepping it (or in some cases, blatantly disregarding it). The checks and balances are too often ignored.

    So many of our current issues should be states rights issues. The founders design intended the several states to be like their own "countries" under the protection of the central government. People have more access at the state and local level to change the things they don't like or agree with. If the majority disagreed with you, you could still move to another state.

    When the feds take over, there is little recourse. Now, in many cases, you'd have to move to another country, because the fed gov has made laws across the board, things that aren't even within its purview....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to What does it mean to truly pray?
    I feel the same way, like it's a direct conversation with Him. I can just talk to Him any time. Even just say what's on my mind. We get to talk to God, and He listens.

    Sometimes, I think maybe I shouldn't "bother" Him with such little things (compared to what's going on in the rest of the Universe), but my mother keeps reminding me that He cares about every single thing that effects us. I honestly think it's the little stuff that means the most to me sometimes. Like how could He take the time to address something little just for me? It's amazing.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to United Airlines Debacle
    I'll be back to watch the video of the lawyer when I have a bit more time. I agree with your post though, ChatterBox. I think the whole thing was mishandled, to put it mildly. That poor man.

    I can't believe that people aren't more outraged about this. I'm not generally a "sue them!" kind of person, but in this case, oh yeah. I'd sue the heck out of them. I wonder if any criminal charges will also be pursued. Looks like assault and battery to me.

    It's already difficult enough to fly, what with the "security" and overbooking. I honestly have no interest in air travel any more, especially after this....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Do you believe in spanking?
    Spanking is still legal here. They even spank in schools here. If they do it, they can't tell parents not to do it. Still, some people consider it abuse. There is a big difference between a spanking and a beating though. Spanking a child with a loving explanation is far different than hitting a child out of anger. I support the former, certainly not the latter.

    I see a correlation when it comes to the decline in spanking over the years..... behavior has declined as well. Undisciplined children seem to also have a lot more self-esteem issues, needing trophies just for showing up, etc.
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  • I wanted to bring up the notifications. For example, today I have one that says, "William quoted you in a post." It doesn't link to or even mention which topic this occurred in. I couldn't find it to see if I wanted / needed to respond. I have others that just say "1 person replied to your subscription." It doesn't tell me who or which subscription. Is there a way to make it easier to find out? I don't really have time to go through every thread I've been in to see if there are replies, etc. Is there a setting I need to change or something?
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  • I don't really think we're at odds as much as you might think. The statement quoted below, is basically the point I was trying to make.



    Baptism is very important, but not so important that you cannot be saved without it or that you are guaranteed salvation with it. That's what I was getting at.

    This has been an interesting discussion, and I am learning a lot, so thanks for all the information....
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  • It was my statement. I just quoted Chatterbox. I do think being baptized is important, not just some superfluous symbol. I just like to draw a clear line between being baptized and being saved. I'm not as educated on these topics as some here, so I just say what I believe. I think it's easy for people to take part in certain rituals and believe that those things will get them into Heaven. My belief is that the only way to get there is by being born again.
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  • Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't aware of exactly how Christenings and confirmations were supposed to work.

    I was under the impression that some people believe that baptism equals salvation (not necessarily those who follow the above, but some perhaps). I just don't agree with that. I believe that being baptized is more of a statement of faith than an act of faith.
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  • Is there are real Constitutional Republican still around? I think we're more likely to find someone real in a third party. I'm just not so sure the country can last until third parties are actually viable in top races.

    I hope and pray that you are correct. Unfortunately, I have my doubts. It seems like the louder they get, the more people are fooled into thinking that they are onto something. I guess if they keep it up long enough, it could go your way. I do know that some people are getting sick of hearing all the whining, so that is a plus. I think the overkill with all the protesting may eventually backfire on them too. It kind of reminds me of the boy who cried wolf... if you cry long enough and loud enough over nothing, eventually people will just tune you out....
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  • I don't know about being thrown in jail but maybe tarred and feathered. There would definitely have been some backlash. Yet, horrible things can be said about this president's family and no one blinks. What happened to the kids of politicians being off limits? I guess that only applies to liberal politicians. Not surprising, since they seem to have a lot of double standards. Granted, I don't see eye to eye with Republicans either (they forgot what "conservative" means, if you ask me), but the liberals just seem to have gone off the deep end this cycle.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Born Again
    My experience wasn't quite as remarkable as that of the OP. I did feel different though. I was very young, and I remember feeling quite joyful. I was happy that my sins could be forgiven. I was in awe that God would take us just the way we are.

    I have experienced the kind of peace that passes understanding, but that came later. I never fully understood it until something awful happened in my life. I emerged with my sanity, by the grace and peace of God.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Autopilot
    in Life
    It can be really hard to set aside time for even the most important of all things when you feel pulled in all directions. I'm sure most of us experience this at some point. It was much harder for me when the kids were little. I'd get so caught up in the everyday things that I didn't make time for the most important.

    For me, the best way is to get up at least a few minutes before everyone else does to have some devotions and prayer. Some days, I struggle, since I'm tired. If I don't do it, the day tends to get away from me.

    Another thing for me is singing His praises, which I can do while driving or even while washing the dishes. I live out in the country, so driving gives me a panoramic view of His handiwork. It makes me want to sing and thank Him.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to What does it mean to truly pray?
    I always think of Hebrews 4:16 when prayer is the topic of discussion. We get to "boldly" come before God and ask Him for grace, mercy, and help. It is bold of us to ask Him for anything really, and through Jesus' we have this amazing privilege. I feel so blessed to know that God Himself wants to hear from me, and listens to me. It's an awesome feeling. God is awesome.
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  • How obnoxious is it to fact check salad dressing? Do they really have nothing else more substantial to "report" about? :p

    I had to laugh at the Easter egg thing. It was cute how she tried to spin it in her correction as not being a Trump innovation. Yeah, Obama can have the credit, as long as you sneer about his golden eggs too.

    While this stuff is a hoot, it's frightening to me how much damage biased and fake "news" can do. Too many people still get their news from click bait instead of finding out what's really going on.

    Are there any real journalists still around?
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Divorce
    I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree here. That's not what I was taught about marriage at all.

    Your divorce is your personal decision, between you and God. I take issue with the idea that marriage vows should be changed to as long as we both shall love, though. That doesn't indicate unconditional love.

    Yes, people change or "evolve," over time. It takes a lot of work and a strong commitment to make a relationship work, despite the numerous and sometimes serious changes a couple is bound to experience....
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  • I'll join your minority then. I agree with this. I think it should be a person's choice whether or not to be baptized, just as it is their choice to accept Jesus as their Savior. We can guide people, but we can't force them or make the decision for them.

    I was taught that you choose to be baptized as an outward sign of faith, like an act of pledging your commitment to God....
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  • Also known as voting for the lesser of two evils. So, what happens when both sides seem more "evil" than good?

    As far as socialism goes, I don't see it as being more like Jesus, despite what some have said. Jesus helped people in person. He didn't leave it up to the government. Paying your taxes and hoping that those taxes get used to help other people might make some feel good, but it isn't "good works" in my opinion. First, governments are corrupt (which is why socialism doesn't work.. it's just a smaller group of one percenters deciding what should become of everyone else). Next, paying taxes and washing your hands of things isn't heartfelt service to the poor, in my opinion. Poverty is messy. It requires getting your hands dirty sometimes to actually make a difference....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Do you observe Lent?
    So, is it more of a ritual or does it really mean something to you? If it does have meaning to you personally, can you explain it a little, please? I'm genuinely curious about how it makes you feel.

    It seems like some folks just go through the motions (of course, that can be true of any religion)....
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  • A holy person of our times? Who might that be?

    Isn't everyone on earth a sinner? That's what I believe. Some might try harder than others, but all of us sin. I don't know of anyone who is truly "holy."...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Do you observe Lent?
    I think I came off sounding a bit harsher than I intended to do. I'm not trying to judge anyone, but that's just what my observation was with some people.

    Yes, I almost feel like some people think they have .. permission... to live it up and then "purge" for a bit over a month afterward. I could see myself getting into lots of trouble with a cycle like that.

    I have a hard enough time doing what I'm supposed to do from one day to another.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Do you observe Lent?
    I've heard about Lent. It isn't something I practice though. Like Knotical I thought this was more of a catholic thing.

    Some people seem to give up their "favorite sins" during Lent. Aren't we supposed to try to do that all the time?...
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  • I think there is another alternative. Find another source to give your donations. There is often more than one charity per cause. If you can find one that uses the money in ways that you approve of then it's all good.

    If there is only one way to donate, and I don't agree with it, I'm not going to donate. I guess I'll just have to pray more and donate elsewhere. There is always someone that could use the help....
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  • I'm not sure what Christian society you are referring to.

    I feel for people who can't afford to meet their needs, truly. You also have to look at it from the other side though. A hospital isn't a charity. They can't afford to treat everyone for free, or they will close down. Then, there won't be a hospital at all.

    Here in the US they aren't supposed to turn away anyone with a life-threatening emergency, but they will most likely just stabilize the person and move them along.

    There are programs available for the needy, including Christian clinics that off free health care. There are also some good charities out there that try to help. I would prefer to donate to these than to have my money taken to give to programs that I don't agree with....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Encouraging Bible Verses
    David posted one of mine, Isaiah 41:10. This one comforts me greatly.

    My father's favorite was Philippians 4:13, which has also become one of mine. It's kind of a neat story. My child was sick and needed to see a specialist. I was having trouble getting to the appointment on time, with my ill baby crying and everything. I was lost, tired, worried, overwhelmed. I prayed for help calming down and finding the place. After about a minute, I saw a sign that had this verse on it. Right after the sign, was the doctor's office. How's that for help... literally a sign, pointing the way.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Thinking Im Going To Hell
    I think maybe you are succumbing to false guilt. It happens to everyone at times. It's one of the strings our enemy enjoys pulling. If he can keep us feeling guilty, worried, and fearful, he can paralyze us and harm our relationship with God.

    Keep in mind that "godly conviction is based on love, not fear" (quoted from the link below). See also 1 John 4:17-18.

    I think this How Can We Know If Our Guilt Feelings Are from the Holy Spirit or from Satan? | Questions.org might be beneficial for you. I found it helpful....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Traditional Hymns or Contemporary Music?
    I have to admit that I do like some of the contemporary Christian music, but I grew up with traditional hymns. I love them. I find them inspiring and soothing and a great way to worship. I think we can praise God with a group or even on our own. I often sing in the car, and most often, it's the traditional hymns that come to mind when I'm singing His praises.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    In case you happen to take a peek in here, BubbaJack, I just wanted you to know that I haven't forgotten you. I am still praying for you. I hope you will change your mind and come back. No need to deal with all of this on your own. I hope you are okay.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The LGBT community.
    I'm not really sure how to even respond to this. You seem to take issue with everything I say, but I'm not sure why.

    Where did I defend sin? I think you misunderstood.

    My point was that Christians shouldn't also sin (while trying to counsel others about theirs) by being hateful and judgmental. I don't have a guilty conscience for saying that....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The LGBT community.
    If you haven't seen hate in 30 years then I don't know where you've been.




    Some people are driven away. Yes, they are probably looking for a reason, but nonetheless. Christians aren't supposed to be hateful, are we?

    What do Adam and Eve have to do with this? I didn't say every sin was caused by hate and judgment. You lost me here.



    That's an interesting take on this. I never thought about quite like that.

    William you make some good points. I don't feel like I"m meant to convict them of their sins either, just warn them. I'm not saying we should tiptoe around the issue either. My main point is that some of the hatefulness I've seen isn't productive.

    Yes, I'm glad we can have a calm discussion, as this issue tends to get a bit overheated sometimes....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The LGBT community.
    I hear ya. I just see too much hate and judgment, and I feel that it drives away some people who might otherwise be reached.

    This is an issue close to my heart, since I have a gay loved one that I'm trying to get through to. Every time I think God's working in this person's life, it seems like someone comes along with a "God hates gays" attitude, and this person turns away again. The person was going to church but now won't even set foot inside for a holiday program or anything, due to being treated hatefully.

    I'm not saying all Christians do this, but it does happen....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The LGBT community.
    Cliche maybe. ;)



    I believe so. He gave His Son for all.



    Trick question? I'm no scholar, but I don't think the word hate as used in the passages about Esau translates to how we define the word. We were also told to 'hate' those we love if we want to enter Heaven (or choose Jesus over them). 'Miseo' from the Greek may provide more context. Rather than literal hatred, it basically indicates a preference for one over another.



    Interesting take on the subject. I like his humble attitude. He seems to agree with me that God loves sinners (of all kinds).

    :)...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The LGBT community.
    My take on this is that we are still supposed to "love one another." I don't have to like what they do or agree with them to love them. Everyone I know (including myself) is a sinner, in one way or another, and I still love and care about all the people in my life.

    I think the only way to reach people is through love.. sharing God's love. He hates sin, but He loves sinners.
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  • Ah, here it is. This is the other verse I wanted to mention, but couldn't remember the reference (my memory isn't so great these days).

    "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

    It seems abundantly clear to me. It's plain, simple language. No question. Nothing confusing or hard to understand here....
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  • Thanks, David. I didn't discuss it with authority like you and others did, but I did speak my heart. It seems almost... insulting to me (to God actually) that people think like this. I'm stunned, really.

    Ah, that quote is as much for me as it is for anyone else. I learned it the hard way, but of course, I can still always use a reminder. People were harsh with me when they had no idea what was going on. It made an unbearable situation even more painful. I don't want to do that to anyone else....
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  • So much for all that love, peace, and acceptance they are always talking about, huh? They seem to be the most intolerant ones of all.

    Why does anybody think that behaving that way will make positive progress? I really don't understand it. Throwing a fit isn't the answer.

    I love the sign about hate being carried by the hater. How ironic.
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  • Anyone who claims to be "righteous" of his or her own accord is committing the sin of pride by making that claim. To consider yourself righteous enough to earn your way into Heaven is being haughty, which God hates.

    Saved by grace through faith NOT of yourself or your works... lest any man should boast. You boast when you claim you have earned your own salvation.

    One may not be committing some of the listed sins, but they are sinning by claiming they have earned eternal life. You don't have a right to salvation because of anything you have done. We could never do anything good enough to deserve salvation. We in fact do not deserve it. It is God's gift to us, by His grace and mercy.

    I said it before, but I'll say it again: If we could ever be good enough to earn salvation, there would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross to save us from ours sins or to become our sacrifice. You diminish His sacrifice and his gift when you claim...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    While you may not post again (but I hope you change your mind), maybe you'll read this.

    Maybe He didn't say no. Maybe He said "wait."

    I don't think you believe that. I think you know there is a God and you're ticked off at Him.

    If your earthly parents didn't answer you right away, you wouldn't decide that they don't exist. You'd be ticked, but you'd still know they were real.

    The door was not opened ... yet. Or, maybe there is another door waiting to be opened but you can't see it. God doesn't always do things the way we would do it or the way we want Him to do it or in our timing.

    My heart hurts for you, and I'm praying for you....
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic Bible Church

    Bible Church

    I grew up going to a Bible church. I think the most similar thing to it that I have found is Baptist. I've been to a few really good Baptist churches that have a very similar doctrine to the church I grew up in, but that one was strictly non-denominational. I've yet to find a Bible church in my area though, so I usually find a good Baptist one nearby if possible.

    There is a newish, large one here that I've attended on several occasions. I'm just not sure if I want to become a member.

    I kind of like the idea of non-denominational. I felt like it was ... a bit less ritualistic, I guess.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    God may not help you in your timing, but I believe He will help you. You have to trust Him though, which can be challenging when we feel like He's not hearing our pleas for help. Instead of cursing Him, try just talking to Him. Even if all you can say is "help," keep saying it. I believe the Holy Spirit will intervene for you once you confess and try to change your attitude.

    I'm not judging. I know it's difficult and frustrating and makes you feel angry and hurt. It's almost like a parent who you feel isn't taking care of you... but if I've learned anything it's that God has His own timing. Sometimes, we suffer because we need to learn something from it. Maybe you'll go on to find a cure for apnea or start a support group or something. We just never know what He has in mind and it's hard to see any positives when the situation feels dire.

    I'm still praying for you....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    This explains a lot. No one can be at their best when they feel exhausted all the time. Feeling like there is no recourse can also lead to issues including depression.

    Not sleeping is just miserable. Being afraid to go to sleep because you might not breathe properly and get enough oxygen is also exhausting, making matters worse.

    I'd much rather focus on healthy eating, exercising, and most of all praying, instead of taking the designer drug of the day....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Have you experienced healing power?
    in Life
    I have experienced it, but not for myself. It was one of my kids who was just a toddler at the time. I'll try to give the short version.

    They said that there was something wrong with her heart and that it would be a lifelong problem as well as possibly end her life. I was completely devastated of course. They showed me the images and explained it all to me. I thought I would die.

    I prayed, I asked everyone I knew to pray, I asked for the prayer chain at church. When I took her back for follow up, the images were clear. The issue was completely and miraculously gone! the doctor was so stunned that she thought the images must have gotten mixed up. They did more imaging. It was perfect. No one could explain it and everyone was blown away.

    It was absolutely a miracle and I continue to thank God for healing my baby (who is 21 years old now, by the way).

    Praise the Lord. God is so good to me.
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  • Well, that's true. It's not new. It just really seems to be getting out of hand now.

    I've read that in some areas preachers can even be arrested for "offensive" sermons. Wow!

    I recently saw that the stars of Fixer Upper had come under attack for attending a church that preached against homosexuality. They hadn't even offered their own opinion. They were just bashed, threatened with boycotts, etc., just for going to that church.

    Where's all this so-called 'tolerance' that has been being screamed about? Clearly, leftists don't understand the meaning of the word.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The Negative Effect of Free Time
    I don't think it means we are meant to be workaholics, working every waking moment. After all, being active doesn't always mean being productive.

    I think it means that we have to be careful of idle time, not to let it lead us into temptation because we are bored. How many times have we all done things that we probably shouldn't do because we're bored and restless? For some people that might be getting drunk or high. For others, it might be overeating. Some may get into mischief (bored kids come to mind). Some might sit on the phone and gossip. Other times it might be something worse.

    I get bored easily, so I always need something creative to do.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The wall
    I think the whole thing is meant to be a mockery. I just jumped on the one thing I felt was important (even if he wasn't being serious about it).

    I would still love to see the nation turn to God. I just don't think it's going to happen, at least not any time soon. I really don't know how He puts up with us sometimes....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The wall
    I wish that were true. I would love to see this nation turn back to God. Unfortunately, there seem to be *more haters than believers these days (which I'm sure only increases with the influx). At the very least they are more 'loudly' represented, it seems. I can't believe some of the hate that some people spew out loud. Apparently, political correctness doesn't apply in this case. Bashing God and His followers is fair game.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The Wrong Appeal of Modern Christianity
    I don't know. We have some good old "hellfire and brimstone" preachers around here. Of course, there are some too who say what they think people want to hear (especially the ones on TV).

    I beg to differ on whether or not it's the pastor's fault. I guess I wouldn't really say it's his fault that people act the way they do (it's their choice). I would fault a pastor who didn't have the guts to preach the Word, out of fear that he would offend someone or make them uncomfortable. If we're not living right, we should be uncomfortable, no?...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to A sinner does not know God.
    I think claiming that one is perfect in their own rite, is a sin in and of itself. It simply isn't possible, according to what I believe. Claiming to be without sin is dangerously close to comparing yourself to God, if you ask me. Then, there is also the whole pride thing.

    If we could become perfect then there would have been no need for Jesus' sacrifice.
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  • I did a story on her years ago. She was manipulated and used to further their agenda. It changed her. At least she tried to do something about it after the fact, Sadly, way too many babies died/are dying because of that nefarious case.

    The legal acrobatics contained in that case should have made it easy to overturn. It never should have been "the law of the land." Abortion should be a state's rights issue (like so many other issues).
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  • Wow, political correctness is even corrupting churches. We have a right to our beliefs and we have a right to defend them. If someone doesn't like it, they are free to choose another church (or go to a mosque, as the case may be).

    I have to agree with ChatterBox. Would a Christian prayer be well received in a mosque? Not so much. Why then does anyone expect the opposite to be true? I don't think the man should have been fired.

    Political correctness has run amok.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to God's good care of us
    It seems to me as if you are feeling some conviction. If that is the case, all is not lost. You wouldn't feel bad about any of this if you didn't want to have a relationship with God.

    Is it because you feel like you don't deserve to be forgiven? None of us deserve it. There is nothing we can ever do good enough to deserve it. We have to accept it as a free gift.

    Are you too hard on yourself? Did you think you would stop sinning when you turned to God? We all still sin. We just have to confess, repent, and seek forgiveness.

    Do you struggle with a particular sin? Maybe you don't feel like you can give it up yet. Ask God for His help and strength in that department.

    Ask Him to soften your heart.

    I'm praying for you.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to God's good care of us
    If you can admit those things here then you can admit them to God. Tell Him. He already knows anyway, but He wants to hear it from us. Tell him exactly how you feel.

    If you're honest with yourself, you know you are a sinner. You know that you do things wrong, just like the rest of us do. We all sin. Daily, hourly, maybe even by the minute. We may try to justify it as being "not as bad" as the next guy, but sin is sin. God doesn't put degrees on it like we do. It's all the same to Him.

    Open up to Him. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Ask Him how you can feel closer to Him.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Praying For Money
    He does have a job though. The concern is that his bonus (which he has calculated into his annual budget) will not arrive in time to pay specific bills.

    Personally, I see nothing wrong with praying for that money to arrive on time. I don't see anything wrong with praying for enough money to pay your bills in general. Praying for wealth or for "free money" is another thing entirely. That's not the case here though.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Am I the only one that condones abortion?
    You make a good point theophilus. I have seen some things though, like when they showed tapes of people talking about selling baby body parts. It was horrific, yet it was all just swept under the rug.

    The "mainstream media" is a big part of the problem in this country, although I guess that's best left to another thread.

    Ending a life is killing. I don't see how anyone can deny that.

    I also agree with another point made in this thread. If killing a pregnant woman is considered double homicide, how can abortion not be murder? If you want the baby, it's murder. If you don't, it's not? Seriously. Can't have it both ways.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to God's good care of us
    I don't think you are doomed to darkness forever, even if it feels like that now.

    You can tell God how you feel. Pour your heart out to Him. Tell Him you're angry with Him and ask for forgiveness and relief. Pray with thankful expectation. "Thank you, Lord that you are healing my heart."

    Praising in the midst of adversity may be one of the most difficult things we're asked to do. There are times when we can't even pray, can't find the words. That is when the Holy Spirit prays for us. Ask Him to.

    Some times just crying out, "Help, Lord" is all we can do. He hears us. He may not take away the situation that causes us pain, but He can help us get through it....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Am I the only one that condones abortion?
    Yes, we do need to pray for that. We also need to pray that the Justice will keep to his values when/if he gets confirmed and that he can make a difference. I've become rather cynical about people who sound good on paper but then don't act as expected. Hopefully, he will stand true.

    I still don't understand how people can be okay with what goes on at 'Planned Parenthood.'...
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Am I the only one that condones abortion?
    Yes, reading the Word is also part of my devotions. Anyway, this isn't about me. There is another thread that I started, titled after the book, if you wish to discuss it further.

    Back to abortion:

    Do we think the new president will try to encourage changes to the current situation? I realize he can't do it on his own, but I'm hopeful that he will at least encourage some changes.

    I'm especially distraught about the "partial birth abortion" horrors. That should never be acceptable.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Am I the only one that condones abortion?
    It is. I couldn't believe that particular message was so timely.

    I've read it, and I don't agree, but thanks for the info. I feel closer to God since I started reading those books. I've prayed about it. I have not been convicted to stop using her work as part of my devotions....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Am I the only one that condones abortion?
    After writing that post, I was feeling a bit emotional.

    I later went on the Jesus Calling website. They also have a podcast.

    [New Podcast] Lacey Buchanan is a... - Jesus Calling by Sarah Young | Facebook

    Talk about timing.

    We never know what God has in store.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Am I the only one that condones abortion?
    I have a lot of thoughts going through my head right now, so please excuse me if I ramble.

    I fully agree that we need to treat others with compassion. We haven't walked in their shoes. We also need to be careful about judging others.

    That said, I think we also have to be careful about playing God. Miracles can and do happen and there is no way to know if a miracle was intended for some of these horrific situations that seem impossible to overcome (and would be impossible without an actual miracle). Are these tests of faith? Who knows?

    I get the idea of "medically necessary" abortion, and I think it would be better than what we have now, but I still feel it's playing God. Just like it is in another controversial issue "pulling the plug" when it appears that someone will never recover. I wouldn't want to live like that, but is it up to me?

    These are very delicate situations. I would hate to be faced with any of those...
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  • I would be livid too. If this were a worksheet on Christianity, you can bet people would be coming out of the woodwork to throw a fit. There would probably be protests... riots.. looting... okay, maybe I exaggerated. A little. You know there would be an uproar though.

    The page shown in the image looks more like something you'd expect to see in a Sunday School class (or the appropriate equivalent) rather than in a public school setting.

    Where are the pages for other religions?
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The wall
    I didn't say whether or not I agree with the wall, per se. I just noted that legal immigration is still allowed. People are still welcome here if they go about coming here through appropriate channels.

    The interchangeable use of "immigrant" and "illegal immigrant" doesn't make for accurate arguments. There is a very real difference.

    Also, doesn't Mexico protect its opposite border? Is that okay, or are they just being precocious too?
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  • If you watch the video, you'll see that a woman asked how to (biblically) deal with a transgendered family member. That's why it's phrased that way.

    Many people don't know how to approach such sensitive topics while both attempting to both stay true to their beliefs and avoid upsetting others. The speaker attempted to answer that from a biblical perspective. As noted, the message also encourages compassion....
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  • Wow, that was pretty intense.

    I think the best point made was that many people have something missing in their lives. What's missing is knowing their creator. We have a soul. That soul longs for God. When that void remains empty, people will try to fill it with something (or anything) else.

    I'm glad he prescribes compassion too. I think too many people are too quick to harshly judge others instead of showing compassion.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Prayers being answered.
    This is great news. Thanks for sharing it.

    Having chronic pain myself, I can relate to the "inconvenience" of it all. I'm glad to hear that you have been shown favor and things have been a bit more smooth for you.

    I hope and pray that you continue to be healed and see progress. It is a joyful thing to see others being blessed.

    I can totally relate to being excited over a good night's sleep as well. I've been doing better in that department too.

    "God is so good. He's so good to me."
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Hilarious Millenials
    Ha, the video was very well done, and while amusing, does give us a lot to think about.



    I was just saying this to my husband the other day. If not for my faith, I'd be scared to death. We are going to have to pray.. a LOT.



    Ironic isn't it that the ones who demand tolerance and acceptance the loudest seem to be the most intolerant?

    The constant protests and the pure ugliness I've seen since the election have me convinced more than ever that "everybody gets a trophy" was a terrible idea....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    I'm sorry that you're suffering in this way. The good news is that God does accept you, just the way you are.

    I recommend turning to Him. Ask him to help you. He will.

    Try to rid yourself of the bitterness and resentment (this usually includes forgiving those who have hurt you or done you wrong). That doesn't mean you excuse their actions. What they did was still wrong. It just means trying to let go. We need to forgive others just like God forgives us. I'm saying this to you, but it's also a reminder for myself....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Giving Praise
    I certainly will. Welcome to the forum. I will be happy to pray for you. Is there anything in particular that you would like prayer for, or just in general?

    It is hard to be alone, but you don't have to be alone when you have God. You can also talk here if you need people to talk to.

    God bless....
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic Giving Praise

    Giving Praise

    Worship doesn't necessarily have to be in the form of formal gatherings such as at church. We can praise God any time, through a quick prayer of thanks or through many other methods. I like to sing too. We don't have to only sing hymns in church. We can sing in the car, the shower, walking down the street... I don't think it matters as long as we praise Him.

    While songs of praise are meant to show our love and appreciation to God, I have to say, they make me feel good too.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to The wall
    We still do. We just ask them to knock on the front door instead of breaking in by climbing through a window. We should treat our country like our home (because it is). Guests are welcome. Intruders are not. Just like our personal houses.

    I've seen nothing to suggest that legal immigrants are unwelcome....
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  • The irony here is just... almost painful. I see it all the time. The "oh so tolerant," are really the least tolerant from where I'm sitting. They are only tolerant of the things they agree with, ha ha. They seem to have missed the meaning of the word.

    I generally find it unwise to discriminate against people for simply having a different opinion. This is especially true when it comes to business.

    He can do what he wants though. I don't like Starbuck's anyway. I think it's overhyped and overpriced (and apparently has a CEO with an overinflated sense of his own worldview).




    Yep, and they taste better too. Add Dunkin Donuts to that list. :)...
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  • I read it, but I'm not seeing a straight answer. Maybe I missed it. I presume the solution being suggested is to remove the federal funding. I can definitely get behind that.

    The federal government needs to get back to its Constitutional boundaries. Sates should play a much bigger role in many areas, in my opinion. It was designed that way for a reason.

    The brainwashing isn't new though. It's been going on in K-12 for some time now as well.
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  • Oh, wow. How easily things can be misconstrued. I don't assign such motives to people who make this comment.

    I don't think drinking a beer will send anyone to hell in the first place, but I think that's still a wrong attitude. If I get drunk, being forgiven doesn't mean getting drunk was the right thing to do or okay. It was still wrong. I'm still not any better than the other person. I just have the option of being forgiven.

    If that's the impression people get then it sounds like they are looking for something to pick apart. Even so, I don't want people to think that's what I meant, so I guess I'll try to avoid that comment in the future. I don't want to alienate people who might actually come to God.

    I guess any bumper sticker type of message can be dissected in a similar manner, so it's better to speak from the heart....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    Then, I think the first step is to stop thinking of others (especially random people) as "opponents." I'm saying this with concern, not judgment.

    From my perspective, and going by my own past actions, there seems to be something missing or something wrong in your life. Getting to the root of that problem should help you feel less like attacking other people. There may be some bitterness or lack of forgiveness that is being harbored (fear, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness, can all work together to create a bad situation). You may be angry at someone and not even realize it but be taking that anger out on other people. That's what was going on with me, anyway.

    As long as you're looking for answers, I think you're moving in the right direction. You've identified a problem, now you just have to work on solutions.

    Best wishes....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to When your walk is far from what it should be.
    in Life
    I can relate to this. I try (try being the key word) to restrain myself better these days, but I used to (and I hate to admit this) go off on people in debates and stuff online. I used wit as a weapon and was always looking for the "gotcha!" I was angry, and I think I was just looking for someone to take it out on. I feel bad about that. People online aren't the cause of my troubles, and they don't deserve that.

    Anger, to me it seems, is just another form of fear. Fear can include a lot of things including insecurity. By being the "smart guy," or being right, I could make myself feel better for a minute. Then, I just ended up feeling worse afterward.

    I had to do some soul searching, work to drive out fear/anger. Of course, it's a work in progress. That just means I need to pray a lot. I'll pray for you too.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
    in Life
    Well, there is such a thing as a balance. I wasn't really suggesting that it become their only mission though. I've seen churches turn people away who need help, and it just doesn't seem like a "Christian" or Christ-like thing to do.

    You make a good point, but what I'm talking about doesn't need to be a one or the other situation. Food and fellowship can open the door to witnessing.

    I believe Jesus had a special place in his heart for the poor. To me, that says that if we want to be more like Him, we should too....
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  • Wow, I had no idea that this many popular companies helped support PP. Even after the baby parts selling scandal was exposed?

    The ones that have to do with children (Girl Scouts, Toys R Us) really make you scratch your head, don't they? I found out that some of the proceeds from Girl Scout cookies were going to PP by way of a cancer foundation when one of my kids was in Brownies. I pulled her from it, and I don't buy the cookies. I will have to go over the list again, although I don't use most of these (I wasn't aware of most of them but few are in my area anyway).

    Also, why would Freddie Mac be involved in supporting this? How does that even make sense? Any money they make should go back into their own program, if you ask me.

    Wow.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Helping the Poor
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    No, not at all. Please don't assign such motives to me. I don't believe in leftist schemes for wealth redistribution. I just think we should pray for people in need and try to help where we can. I also feel that churches should be a community resource for those in need.

    I've seen churches build outreach programs through being charitable. People who would have never darkened the doorstep came to church, because they had been helped or welcomed by way of youth activities, holiday meals, sheltering after a storm, etc.

    One small example is a family that came to church after receiving the gift of a Thanksgiving basket. A single mom and her little one were so touched that they wanted to come see what it was all about. I think that's great....
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  • That's an interesting perspective. I never thought of it like that. I suppose it could become such a flippant thing.

    I tend to use that statement sometimes, especially when people accuse Christians of thinking they are better than other people or when they try to hold Christians to a super-perfect standard. I see both often.

    I try to tell them, I'm not perfect. I'm not better than them. I do still sin; my sins are just forgiven....
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic Helping the Poor
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    Helping the Poor

    Do you feel that giving to charity is service to God? Jesus cared for the poor, so shouldn't we also?

    In being thankful for what we have been given, shouldn't we also pray for those who don't have as much as we do?

    I guess it's different for everyone. We are all concerned and convicted about specific things. I just have an ache for those in need, and I don't understand how Christian churches can sometimes ignore those needs. The church I go to (when I go) is fairly generous and giving to the community. The one I used to attend was as well, but not all of them are, and I just don't get that.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Weed
    I agree. I don't think it's any worse than any other medicine. It's probably better for you than opiates.

    You make a good point. I have heard of "contact high," There is also the issue of second hand smoke. People should definitely be considerate of others if they are going to use it....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Praying For Money
    If I need it, I'd ask. Another thing I'm learning is that we don't always need to ask so specifically. Instead of asking for money, sometimes, it's better to just ask for help (for example).

    One of my relatives was struggling with a financial problem. Instead of seeking money, she sought help. Just asked in an open-ended way. So, her prayer was answered, but in a surprising way. Instead of a windfall to pay the bill, the amount she needed to pay ended up being much lower than originally billed....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Weed
    So, do you also think it's wrong to take other prescription pain relievers then like narcotics? Strong pain meds can "intoxicate" you as well. So, no morphine etc. then?

    Are you just speaking about recreational use or do you also mean for medicinal purposes?

    I don't think there is anything wrong with taking meds for pain. I guess it's between the person who is in pain and God. Personally, I don't feel convicted over taking meds to help ease my chronic pain (edit: I don't use weed, but it's a consideration now that it's legal here for medicinal usage)....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Praying For Money
    My personal opinion is that it isn't wrong to ask God for anything that we need. Keep in mind though that God knows our needs (even better than we do) and that he wants to bless us. I think sometimes, it's just a matter of trust, as in, not stressing over it and trusting that He will make sure you have it when you need it.

    I'm not judging or scolding, just sharing something I've been learning (although it's still a work in progress). Stress and worry are parts of fear, and there is no fear in perfect love. I just keep confessing my fear and trying to hand more things over to Him.

    Best wishes.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Has Trump professed Christ?
    Well, it's hard to really know a person based on what the media projects. I don't begin to think I can judge whether or not he is really a Christian. I was wondering more about his profession of faith. Some seem to think it was just another campaign thing, while others believe he is sincere. This made me curious.

    I am praying for him too. He is definitely going to need it....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Has Trump professed Christ?
    I wondered if it were a case of posing for the crowd at hand at the moment. As Knotical said though, it really is between him and God. I was more curious as to the reference, since I couldn't recall any such proclamation. Of course, the election didn't have my undivided attention either. It is entirely possible that I could have missed it.
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic Has Trump professed Christ?

    Has Trump professed Christ?

    I was recently told that Trump stated he had been saved. If anyone has a source for this, I'd appreciate it.

    If true, do you think it will make a difference in how he manages his new job? I still fear that his hands will be tied in many areas. I don't think a president can do all the things s/he wants to do or we want them to do, at least not within Constitutional parameters. I hope he does his best to do away with many executive orders and doesn't rely on them himself. We need to get back to following the Constitution.

    Speaking of which, do you think the Constitution was divinely inspired?
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Christmas Hoopla
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    I know, right? Then again, some people just look for things to get offended over. I've seen some people freak out over the mere mention of God or the Bible or even something generically related to religion. They swear you are "forcing" religion on them. I don't know what they are so afraid of.

    I don't go out of my way to offend anyone, but it is my habit to say Merry Christmas. I plan to continue saying it....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Ending abortion
    I don't have much faith in any one candidate to put a stop to abortion. It's really not within the president's (recognized) power to do so. Congress is meant to write law, not the President, not the Court. It will take a strong showing by the people to move Congress in the right direction. Ending heinous things like partial birth abortion, is probably the best, first, step.

    Humanizing these babies may be the only way to get through to people. If they are so cold as to think it's okay to murder a baby while it is being born, I'm afraid there won't be any way to change their minds. Other people will see it for the truly vile act that it is.

    This is an evil world.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Christmas Hoopla
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    Good post, Jester85 . You nailed it.

    I remember one year in particular, because retailers were trying so hard to do away with "Merry Christmas." They all wanted to refuse to use the word Christmas, yet they all still wanted to profit from it. Where I live, that was never going to fly.

    They can't say the word, but they can have a huge Christmas tree or "holiday tree" that year, up in the middle of the store in September??? Yeah, no. I don't think so.

    I don't think they'll try that one again. Now, you see the word Christmas all over the store.;)

    Joyous Christmas, everyone!
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Ending abortion
    Wow, that's crazy. Unfortunately, I suspect that we will see more of the above rather than less. It is a scary state of things when you are silenced for having a different opinion. When that opinion is a life or death one, it's truly frightening to be called a criminal for speaking out.

    I thank God every day that I was born in the US. Too bad liberalism is trying to take over here as well....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Christmas Hoopla
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    I know some people are very put off by the secular celebration and the commercialization. I still like celebrating Christmas. I like to remind people of The Reason for the season. Even if it isn't technically His correct birth date, and we don't know what that date is, we can still celebrate the fact that He was born.

    I think as long as we don't put all the trappings of the holiday before God, it's okay to celebrate it. Putting anything before God is what gets us into trouble, if you ask me.
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  • I totally get what you're saying. I do think we have a bit more drive to learn about God than we do about subjects in high school though. When you're in Sunday School because you want to be there, rather than being in school because you have to be there, I think there's a big difference.

    Still, keeping things interesting and keeping "students" involved is very important, in my opinion. I never felt like such a real part of a church as I did when I was in that particular class.
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  • Jester85 I like that. I agree that people tend to feel more invested the more they are involved in the process. I always got the most out of interactive classes in school as well. The classes where we got to participate did a lot more for me than the ones where the teacher simply lectured or said go read the book. I don't think it has to be all one or the other.



    You also make a good point. The class I referenced did have parts where the teacher actually taught as well. He'd begin the lesson, but then we'd all begin sharing our thoughts and feelings too. I felt like I learned a lot, even though there wasn't a strict structure....
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  • I really enjoyed the class I mentioned. At first I thought that I wouldn't really have much to contribute, since some of the folks seemed more more learned than I was. I felt at home almost immediately though, and I felt like I actually contributed. I was going through something rough at the time, and I guess sharing that was helpful to some people. They sure made me feel closer to God, despite the awful time I was having. The fellowship was great.

    Our teacher was really quite good, but I still learned a lot more just talking/sharing with the others. It really created quite a bond.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Ending abortion
    I think education is a key element in limiting if not ending abortion. Too many times people say, "It's just tissue." Well, when they see that "tissue" on a monitor, with a heartbeat, they often think differently. I'd love to see more ultrasounds made available to organizations that try to help women who are experiencing unexpected pregnancies to find alternatives to abortion.

    There is one such organization in my area that has done great work. They offer not only education but also assistance and support.

    I think it needs to be a message of love. That seems to work better than guilt or judgment, especially with vulnerable people in difficult situations.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Does prison solve anything?
    That's true, I think. Turning them loose after being institutionalized doesn't really do them any favors when it's done without giving them the proper tools and support.

    I went to a church where the preacher was a former convict. That man was so passionate about the Lord. He built a church from scratch and there was a revival. You hear jokes about people falling asleep in church, but let me tell you that wasn't possible when this man was preaching.

    He felt called to go to other communities afterward and a local preacher took over the church....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Weed
    I'm glad you added the p.s. to your post. I was just debating this issue with another Christian. If someone suffers chronic pain, and nothing else works very well (other than narcotics, which most people would rather not become dependent on), they might consider this form of treatment.

    The other person felt it was wrong. My thought is that if you can take meds that are basically like heroin, why can't you take meds made from "weed." I don't see why one would be wrong if the other is not....
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Does prison solve anything?
    Yeah, I'm sure there would be some that would try to ditch doing their service. I'm guessing enforcement for that would probably still be cheaper than jailing them (but that's just a guess). I think it would work well for some people too though. Everyone makes mistakes. When you pay for that mistake but are still treated with decency and dignity, allowed to earn your way back, I feel like that's more productive than being tossed in a cell.

    Many people in prison seem to come out worse, not better. it doesn't seem to be working, so at least trying something different seems like the way to go. I am all for programs like the one you mentioned.

    Maybe give stiff fines for failure to complete community service or keep adding onto the length of service.. two more days for every day missed. if they are fully non-compliant then I guess jail is their choice. I'd just like to see them offered other options first, but if they make that choice that's on them.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Prayer for President Trump.
    Amen. Please, bless him with wisdom, integrity, and compassion. Please open the hearts and minds of those he'll need to help him get things done.

    I think our new president will need a lot of continued prayer. He's certainly facing an uphill battle. I pray the Lord will protect him and guide him.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Trump Wins Popular Vote Too??
    Quick, somebody tell the protestors they can stop paying/busing in more people to show up for the cameras now. I don't know what they actually hoped to accomplish with this display, but mob mentality isn't the way we make changes to the election process. Of course, if they had opportunity to get another leftist, activist, Supreme Court Justice installed, who knows what would happen in the future.

    While Trump isn't my choice of an ideal candidate, I can say, at least he's not Hillary. Let's hope we get somebody other than those with the last name Bush or Clinton to choose from for the next election.
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  • Sunday School/Bible Study: Participate or be taught

    If you attend Sunday School (or other Bible study) do you prefer to be taught while you sit quietly and listen? Have you even been in an interactive class that allows for participation? Which one do you get more out of?

    The church I attended before I moved offered a variety of classes. I felt like I learned more in the interactive one. Other people sometimes pick up on things that we don't, and when they share, we can learn from their perspective as well (instead of the single perspective offered by the instructor). It also created a warm sense of fellowship. It became a very close knit group of people who would get together and pray and help each other in many ways.

    I miss it, actually.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to Does prison solve anything?
    This. I think prison should be reserved for violent offenders. Lock them away to protect decent people from their heinous crimes. Non-violent offenders should have other options, in my opinion. I think community service would be a good start. Teach people to think of someone other than themselves. Fines, probation, and other methods could work as well, but save the cages for the real animals....
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  • I believe that in God's perspective, sin is sin. I think we are the ones who place "degrees" on sin. In other words, we think some things are worse than others. I think He sees all of it as evil. He can and will forgive us just the same for a huge crime (in our eyes) as He does for telling a "white lie." We try to justify certain things as being not so bad and consider other things heinous. To Him, wrong is wrong. So yes, in my opinion, I think any sin that you trruly repent of and seek forgiveness for can be forgiven, regardless of what it was.

    Also, I don't believe you can lose your salvation. That to me implies that you had some part in earning (and therefore keeping) it.

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)

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  • Right, but we don't know that it will be a better choice either. Many people state this as their reason for voting for him, but really? What makes them think his choice would be any better? Is there a reason people think this other than the "R" beside his name?

    Whoever wins, we have a LOT of praying to do....
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  • I watched the video, but it made me uncomfortable. There is usually a reason for that.

    I know nothing about this person, or the person she quoted, but does this sound like something God would say? A few lines, maybe, but the rest? I'm not so sure. God doesn't contradict Himself either (I can't intervene.. but I'll make your vote count and voter fraud will be exposed... what?).

    While I do agree that selecting justices for the Supreme Court is huge, and it's guaranteed that Hillary will choose leftist activists, I still don't feel too confident about who Trump might choose either. What makes people so sure that Trump will choose someone conservative who will honor and defend the Constitution? He doesn't strike me as being very constitutionally responsible or particularly conservative for that matter.
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  • I think everyone has doubts from time to time, or even a "crisis of faith" at times. Thankfully, I've always found my way back (or He lead me back).

    Yes, I've experienced that (and still do). God's time isn't the same as ours is. I've come to see that as a good thing in most cases though. He doesn't react to things like we do.

    It can be frustrating sometimes, when you feel like you're waiting forever. Consider the fact that He might have said no to the request (which is still an answer). He might also have said wait.

    I prayed for my grandfather to come to the Lord all my life. He finally did when I was grown, with kids and grandkids of my own, and my grandfather was in his nineties. That was a long wait, but well worth it!...
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  • Some folks are into more ritualized worship and prayer, and that's fine too. I just feel closer to Him when I can speak to Him any time, anywhere, about anything.

    I've learned that nothing is too big, or too small, to ask for help. It makes me feel truly loved to know that even the little things in my life matter. A quick little prayer can sometimes make all the difference.

    He might not answer immediately, but I believe He always answers (even if the answer is no)....
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  • I have to agree with this. There are some prayers that are beautiful. You can recite them and still mean every word. Even so, I still cherish being able to say what I feel. I think it's important to be able to pour out our hearts or just give joyful thanks, or anything in between, as the case may be. Talking to Him feels like a more personal relationship to me....
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  • I tend to pray both in the morning and before bed. I also pray throughout the day. Any time I want to thank God for something, ask Him for something, talk to Him, or pray for someone else. I feel very blessed, knowing that I can boldly come before Him at any time. Knowing that God Himself cares about what is going on with me, means so much to me.
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  • thisnthat
    replied to "Jesus Calling' by Sarah Young
    Thanks for pointing that out. I've read it before. While there may be some salient points in that article for choosing devotionals, it comes off a bit.. harsh and judgmental, to me. He also says he isn't accusing the author of the occult like writing, but that is exactly what he seems to be inferring.

    I guess each person has to examine the pros and cons for themselves, according to their own convictions. The best advice I can offer is to pray about it....
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  • thisnthat
    started a topic "Jesus Calling' by Sarah Young

    "Jesus Calling' by Sarah Young

    Sarah Young has written a number of books, but "Jesus Calling" has been an inspiration to me. It helps many people feel closer to God. This book helped me through one of the darkest times of my life (well, the Word did, but her interpretation of it helped). I felt like my faith was being restored and that I could find peace (the kind that passes all understanding).

    You can read some daily devotionals (from an assortment of her books including this one) on her Facebook page if you want to check it out, before considering any purchases. It was life changing for me, so I wanted to share.
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  • If you felt guilty, that might have been a sense of conviction. Feeling pressured to do something anyway, is usually more a matter of peer pressure. I'm not judging you, far be it from me, but that's just how I see it. I think we each have to decide what is right for us, even if other people don't agree. You can reassure them that it is a personal thing and that you are not judging their choices.

    I've been in this situation myself. Thankfully, our church has a fall festival instead of a Halloween party. It makes it easier for those who want to have some fun but do not want to take part in the questionable aspects of Halloween....
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