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  1. David Lee

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    Father, take my life, yea, my blood if Thou wilt, and consume it with Thine enveloping fire. I would not save it, for it is not mine to save. Have it Lord, have it all. Pour out my life as an oblation for the world. Blood is only of value as it flows before Thine altar. ~Missionary Jim Elliot
  2. Hi Bishop_Ryle, in what way was Chip and Joanna Gaines church "anti-gay"? Also, the P & G thing happened in the 80-90's, but I don't remember any "evangelical" groups being named as responsible for it. If memory serves, their competitor, "Amway", had something to do with pressing that false rumor however. --David
  3. I've always liked the analogy of three candles sitting on a mantelpiece together, three candles, one light. But like all of the other analogies for the Trinity, it falls short and teaches a type of heresy too. I think the analogies have their place though, especially when they're used as an introduction to such an incredibly difficult concept and doctrine as the Trinity is. However, whenever we use them, I think we should also explain why/how they fall short of properly explaining the doctrine of the Trinity. --David
  4. Hi Zeland, that's an interesting question! How can someone who is guilty of committing a crime become innocent again? The answer is, they can't (obviously). They can perhaps pay a debt of some sort or another to atone for their crime, but they will never again be "innocent". The same thing can be said about our life before God because once we sin, we are no longer innocent OR righteous (and we can never make ourselves that way again), because we've become transgressors of the law .. cf James 2:10-11. As such, the best status we can hope for is "forgiven", isn't it? (granted, that is a 'very' good status ) The really cool thing is, Jesus takes care of all of this for us (because what has to happen is something that we could 'never' do for ourselves). Our sins become His sins, and His righteousness, becomes our righteousness (and in doing so, we become far more than simply "righteous", rather, we become the very "righteousness of God"). 2 Corinthians 5 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. So Jesus is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement for our sins. This is going to come up in this discussion eventually, so I might as well go ahead and ask it now. Purgatory, according to the RCC, is for saints who are on their way to Heaven because 1. all of their "mortal" sins have been forgiven, but 2. at least some of their "venial" sins haven't. My first question is, what is a venial sin? *(please consider the following before you answer)* Our first parents' sin not only resulted in their own deaths (both spiritually and, eventually, physically), it also caused the fall and the deaths of their entire progeny as well (the whole of mankind), and the decay and/or death of everything else in Creation for that matter. So if any sin could 'ever' be described as "MORTAL" ... that was it, yes But what was "that" sin? Let's see: Our progenitors picked an apple from their own tree in their own garden and took a bite out of it. Now granted, God told them not to do it, but then again, that's true of ANY sin we commit, from murder, to idolatry, to dissing our parents, to telling a white lie, or even something as little as taking a single piece of chewing gum from a friend's pack w/o their knowledge and consent. So my second question is this then, if simply taking a bite out of an apple can be a "mortal" sin, what sin could possibly be described as "venial" then?? ALL of our sins need to be atoned for by Christ if we ever want to see life.The good news is, they will be, because that's exactly what God has graciously promised to do for us who are in Christ .. cf 1 John 1:9. 1 John 1 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. --David
  5. Hi Deade, let's start from the bottom of your post and move up. The Apostle, given his druthers, would have far preferred to have departed and been with Christ, but he felt that it more important to continue on here in the service of both God and the saints instead (he did, after all, have more people to teach, churches to visit, and books of the Bible to write ). According to you however, his choices boiled down to these: 1. Die immediately and enter into an unconscious/lifeless state until finally "waking up" in the presence of Christ thousands of years later and feeling as if no time had passed -or- 2. Live on a bit longer here and continue the very important work that needs to be done first, then die 'after' the work is completed and "wake up" with Christ thousands of years later feeling as if no time had passed. If these are indeed the choices that St. Paul is truly describing as his two possibilities, in what way could he possibly think that choice #1 is "very much better" than choice #2? St. Paul said "to live is Christ, and to die is gain" .. Phil 1:26. How could he possibly say that, IOW, what "gain" could there possibly be in dying (rather than living on in fruitful service here instead), if dying means nothing more than entering into a state of non-existence until Christ returns? Thanks! --David
  6. Hi Deade, ours is a bodily resurrection, and I believe "resurrection" always involves our physical bodies, not simply our souls/spirits which are reunited with our bodies at that time. That said, I'd also like make a couple of other points/ask a couple of questions about the passages below. 2 Corinthians 5 1 We know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, 3 inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked. 4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. 6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. 9 Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Philippians 1 21 To me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; 24 yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake. 25 Convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with you all for your progress and joy in the faith, 26 so that your proud confidence in me may abound in Christ Jesus through my coming to you again. I understand what you are saying above, but these passages beg several questions in light of what you believe, do they not? For instance, what does St. Paul mean when he speaks of being "absent from the body" when we are dead? In what way are "we" absent from our bodies in death? And if we are asleep and/or as lifeless as our bodies are in death (at least in essence), how can we "have as our ambition ... to be pleasing to Him"? If we are unconscious/asleep/dead, how can we have an "ambition" (or 'do' anything else for that matter)? As for the Philippians passage, how can St. Paul possibly say that it is "very much better" to die and depart from this world, RATHER than living on here in continued service to God and to His church, if he believed that dying amounted to nothing more than a lifeless non-existence in the ground (along with his body) until Christ's return?? Thanks! --David Revelation 6 9 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
  7. Frugal Dad Suggests Family Lodge At Starbucks During Memorial Day Vacation May 23, 2018 LOS ANGELES, CA—While researching possible cheap food and lodging for an upcoming weekend getaway for Memorial Day, local frugal dad Daniel Bernard reportedly suggested to his family that they simply sleep at Starbucks, to avoid paying anything for a hotel room. Bernard scouted out several Starbucks locations near the family’s chosen vacation spot and narrowed their options down to a nice mall Starbucks downtown, a strip mall location in the suburbs, and a smaller urban location close to several local attractions. “Plenty of free space to hang out, air conditioning, clean restrooms—and we don’t even have to buy anything!” the father exclaimed excitedly upon reading a news story indicating that Starbucks would no longer require purchases for loitering in its stores or using its restrooms. “We can bring our own food, drinks, and coffee and pack them in a cooler to save even more cash. And just think of all the scam resort fees we’ll avoid!” Bernard called ahead to ensure the company’s new policy allowed the family to bunk indefinitely, and was pleased to report that the Starbucks was unable to turn them away. “With this great new company policy, only suckers would pay for a hotel room!” he declared to his family, none of whom were listening to him, according to sources. At publishing time, the father had suggested the family leap onto a passing Starbucks company delivery truck in order to save money on transportation. http://babylonbee.com/news/frugal-dad-suggests-family-lodge-at-starbucks-during-memorial-day-vacation/
  8. Democrats Warn That Defunding Planned Parenthood Will Reduce Access To Essential Campaign Donations May 22, 2018 WASHINGTON, D.C.—The Republican proposal to withdraw Title X federal funding from Planned Parenthood could cause a dangerous drop in the abortion provider’s campaign contributions to liberal political candidates, Democratic leaders sternly cautioned during a press conference earlier today. “Planned Parenthood does much more than perform abortions,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters. “They provide crucial services to marginalized Democrat candidates, like spending over $30 million to support pro-abortion candidates in the upcoming midterm elections.” “If we do not prop up Planned Parenthood with taxpayer dollars,” she continued, “where will Democratic candidates go for the vital health care services Planned Parenthood is known for, like their $2000-per-plate fundraising dinners and slick political advertising campaigns?” “This is a human rights issue,” she added somberly. When a reporter pointed out the Republican proposal would only cut taxpayer funding for money spent directly on abortions, Pelosi responded by saying Republicans “obviously hate all women.” http://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-warn-that-defunding-planned-parenthood-will-reduce-access-to-essential-campaign-donations/
  9. David Lee

    Redistribution of Wealth?

    I figured as much. Also, the "Bee's" stuff doesn't read like Satire from the get-go normally, which makes it a little more fun, but that can also make it a bit confusing at times (I really like their approach however ).
  10. David Lee

    Redistribution of Wealth?

    Hi Becky, since the Obamas apparently own several other multi-million dollar properties (and now possess a lifestyle to match), it would be interesting to see an accounting of their net worth. For someone who was a community organizer, then a Senator for about a week, and finally a President with a $400,000 annual income, he has done pretty well for himself I must say. --David
  11. David Lee

    Redistribution of Wealth?

    Hi Bull, please take note of the board I posted this thread on and/or the link address at the bottom
  12. David Lee

    Redistribution of Wealth?

    Politics Obamas Promise To Donate All Proceeds From Multimillion-Dollar Book, Netflix Deals To Combat Wealth Inequality May 21, 2018 WASHINGTON, D.C.—Barack and Michelle Obama have committed to donate all of the money they are slated to receive as part of their recent multimillion-dollar book and Netflix deals to combat wealth inequality in the nation, the celebrity politician couple announced Monday. Obama told the press he wanted to make sure people didn’t think he was using his experiences in public service for his own personal gain, but rather for the good of all, in order to remain consistent with his party’s platform. “We talk a big talk when it comes to wealth inequality in our nation, and it’s time for us to start walking the walk,” Obama said, speaking to reporters in front of his newly purchased $8.1-million home in an exclusive neighborhood in D.C. “That’s why we’ll be giving every dollar of our ridiculously profitable book and film deals to charities that help the less fortunate.” Obama also confirmed the millions of dollars he makes from speaking engagements with large Wall Street banks and other private sector firms will be donated to help the poorest of the poor in our nation. “It’s time we redistribute the exorbitant fees these Wall Street scumbags gave me to the people they oppress the most.” “It’s only the right, consistent thing to do,” he added. At publishing time, the Obamas had released a video in which they committed to allowing refugees and undocumented immigrants to stay in their new mansion. https://babylonbee.com/news/obamas-promise-to-donate-all-proceeds-from-multimillion-dollar-book-netflix-deals-to-combat-wealth-inequality/