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  1. marknoo

    Revelations 21:8 and Liars + Fearful

    That does make sense about the "fearful". I guess I was reading it from my perspective, instead of from the point of view of someone 2000 years ago. It was very dangerous to be a Christian for quite awhile in the Roman Empire, at least until about 350 AD or so, for that matter it was dangerous to be a Christian if you happened to be around a High Priest or someone like Paul who was sent out to find Christians. It seems obvious now that you have said it, but when I first read it I couldn't figure it out.. THank you
  2. In Matthew 26 one of Jesus' companions took out his sword and cut off the ear of one of the High Priests men. Jesus told him to put it away and this slipped into our societies collective thinking as "live by the sword, die by the sword". see Matthew 26:52 for the real quote. If Jesus is the Head of the Church and he would not allow one of his companions to use force to prevent his arrest, an arrest he knew would lead to his death, is it OK to then protect the Body (a member) of the Church. On the face of it it seems to me that the answer is no. Surely the head is more important than the body but, Jesus also had to die. Anyone preventing him from sacrificing himself would be a big problem to his redemptive plan. Without a resurrected Jesus me and you and all other people are in big trouble. So is Matthew 26:52 a general statement to all of us, or is it a situation specific statement. I do not know what is right or wrong. Can anyone add some more scripture related to this topic? Here are some random thoughts related to this subject: Maybe we can look at what Christians are doing in other countries, we don't have any physical opposition to us in America. I mean, ISIS will not drag us out of our place or worship and murder us. Augustine does say that part of a Just War is preservation of Peace or Life. ............. Personally I feel better if sober, honorable men are armed. It isn't scary for me. I wish there were a lot more of them walking around. I think it is a strong deterrent to violence and other savagery. I like to take my gun with me when I travel or camp or am anywhere that help (like Police help) is far away. Although literally, a cop being 2 minutes away can be too far in an emergency.
  3. marknoo

    Colossians 2:8

    Colossians 2 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, [a]rather than according to Christ. Here is a brief explanation for Augustine's Just War: https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~jasingle/justwar.html this is not something that I have any real knowledge about so I am hoping it is accurate in its representation of a Just War A few of the conditions that need to be met are: ...................................................... 3. ]Just Cause A just war needs to be in response to a wrong suffered. Self-defense against an attack always constitutes a just war; however, the war needs to be fought with the objective to correct the inflicted wound. 5.]Right Intention The pirmary objective of a just war is to re-establish peace. In particular, the peace after the war should excede the peace that would have succeeded without the use of force. The aim of the use of force must be justice. 6. Proportionality The violence in a just war must be proportional to the casualties suffered. The nations involved in the war must avoid disproportionate military action and only use the amount of force absolutely necessary. ............................................. Here is where the controversy comes in: Can a Capitalist that is afraid of a Communist travel anywhere to fight the communist. Or is it different if the Capitalist just sends money and guns to South America and Africa but does not go himself. I think fighting Terrorist is a Just War but I it seems that our Domino Theory may not fit the requirement for a just war. I need to get a handle on this because I don't want my patriotism to get in the way of what is important. My life as an American is not important compared to who I am becoming eternally.
  4. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8) What is it that makes "Liars" such a big problem. Is this talking about my grandmother who was a shameless gossip and switched the stories to suit whatever audience she was talking to. So sometimes the same story might get a sympathetic retelling and to another person retelling the story might be more condemning in nature. I loved my Grandmother but she was a horrible gossip. Is that the liars that we are talking about or are we talking about "false witness against our neighbors" and getting them into trouble with the authorities, or something like that. for Whoremongers we know God strongly opposes sexual immorality for Idolaters we know that God regards this as a betrayal of a very intimate nature, like a spouse cheating on their spouse most of these seem fairly straightforward but why are "liars" included and what is going on with the "fearful" this cannot mean fear of the Lord as in "respect for the Lord" so what does it mean, is it like the guys who run and ask the rocks to fall on them when they see the lamb, they are not able to ask the lamb for forgiveness so they run in fear. Is that, sort or, what we are talking about with "fearful" Is this the right place to ask this. I started out in the Calvanist forum but noticed it was a sub-group of soteriology. and this is eschatology. If it is in the wrong spot I apologize, I did look, I just don't know where to put it. It doesn't seem like prophecy to me but maybe it is
  5. Very good. This is helpful. I still have to resolve that God requires me to do my best for him, not the least I can do. And to treat people the way I want to be treated. If I were them I would want more than survival. I would also want a means to lift myself up. And I have to figure out how to discern who is really in need. But those are secondary issues on this matter. Or they seem to be. I think the food bank is fine, indeed, I think it is preferable. I think my "panhandling" question is resolved. Thank you. ................ I give to Abolition Now, It is an anti-trafficking organization that works in my community. The number one reasons people have sex with someone they do not want to is because they need shelter. They are afraid to sleep on the streets, so they perform services in exchange for housing and food. Abolition Now is, however, secular. So it is a government task force. I am thinking a "bad tree cannot bear good fruit". Should i be looking for Christian groups who do the same thing. They do exist, but they do not help the people in my town, they have no outreach here. So the point is, better to give to Christians or better to give to worldly organizations. I still give to the church, but I have outside interests too. Also, I am far more interested in local matters than I am in problems thousands of miles away. Some of the people I know use their giving in Africa as an excuse to do nothing in their own backyards. It is like they want to keep their hands clean. Anyway, they are good people but we just have different priorities on this matter. (my brother is a lot like this) Sorry this reply is not well documented. I am in a hurry. I will edit it later if needed. this stuff is important to me so I am probably over eager.
  6. I am looking for stuff like this Peter 3 2 And a man who had been lame from his mother’s womb was being carried along, whom they used to set down every day at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, in order to beg [b]alms of those who were entering the temple. 3 When he saw Peter and John about to go into the temple, he began asking to receive alms. He was there everyday, presumably Peter walked past him while going in and out of their temple. Why didn't he give before, why then? Is it because he was not a Christian? I don't get it. Peter helps him but not until he is good and ready? Or he never noticed him before. Or Peter did not use that gate until that day. Or. Or ?? What does the Bible want us to do with beggars? If I can find even preponderance of evidence I am willing to put that with God knowing my intentions and let it rest, but I don't have any good scriptural support for any decision yet.
  7. My hometown Portland OR has 1800 homeless people (they did some kind of census to count them). How do I know if I should give or not give to these people? I am thinking 2 Thessalonians 3:10. Some of these guys can work, some cannot. I do not know how to tell which is which. Luke 6:30 says give to anyone. I don't like the panhandling because not all the people are really in need of food, because some will spend the money on things which make their situation worse, and because they create safety concerns when they stand at every freeway entrance. Additionally, some are very aggressive and hassle the elderly, some to the point of cornering our elderly at ATMs and demanding money; others need much more help and instead of panhandling they should be availing themselves of our countries social service programs (like preganant women, etc) Anyway, is it good enough to just give to the food bank and walk past them? This makes Christians look bad. The lack of charity and compassion in some followers of Christ, who are told to be like him, is a horrible thing to watch. 1 John 2:6 Non-Christians use this as a way to attack us. Frankly, prior to my conversion I used the Church's seeming lack of agape or sacrificial love to condemn them. (I sort of still do, downtown I have watched people walk into their church, right past the homeless, and have their service and sing songs, and walk right past them on the way out to their BMWs. God has written his rules on my heart, and this seems very wrong to me, even post conversion. Romans 2:15) Unfortunately, I am confronted by the panhandler situation nearly every day. I never know what to do. Sometimes I give them money, sometimes I put my head down and pretend I don't see them. Not a good situation for me, or them, or anyone. Is there more biblical teaching on this subject? I know what I think and feel but I want to know what God says in the Bible. I think I exist to bring God glory, so I need to know what he says. If what I do brings him glory than that is the most profitable use of my time and money, but God forbid if this seeming lack of love does our Lord's good name harm, because his child (me or the Church) doesn't know what is right.1 Corinthians 10:23 (there is so much on Gods good name, I don't know where to start the cite) NASB 1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. NASB Romans 2:15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, NASB 1 John 2:6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. NASB Luke 6:30 "Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. NASB 2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. (you have built in cites, that is way cool)
  8. From what I know we have an intuitive God. He knows things, he doesn't think about them. He doesn't wonder, if I do B instead of A what would happen. He just already knows. So what purpose would reason serve our God? Unless reason is just a gift for us (maybe Angels too). As the title says, every theologian (reformed theologian) I have come across says this is communicable. Why? God was not "young", he did not need to reason until he started to know everything. I am sure there is an answer, I just don't know what it is. Oh, Grudem, Sproul, and McClarty are the only systematic theologies I am familiar with, so maybe it is just a lack of variety in my education. And RW Glenn, I have heard his systematic theology "plectures" too.
  9. marknoo

    Can Satan Deceive God’s Elect?

    I think they can be deceived. Mathew says this: Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Mathew 11:11. So we are less than John, John is less than an Angel, and Satan deceived 1/3 of the Angels. Without the Holy Spirit we would be easy prey. Even with the Spirit we still need to be very careful. We have the flesh and the World to contend with and Satan knows what are weaknesses are. Think of this: Luke 22:31 Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers. Christ intervened to protect Peter, it seems to me that Christ knew Satan could tear Peter apart. It also seems clear to me that God is in complete control of Satan. Gods sovereignty is everywhere in the Bible. I would not even know where to begin to start with that, but Jobs suffering and the conversation between God and Satan comes to mind. God not only allowed Satan at Job, he said: And the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? Job 1:8 (my apologies, I may have strayed a little, this was about Satan's ability to deceive, back to deception) He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44 If Satan can "get over" on Angels, he can "get over" on us. Thankfully we have the Spirit with us always. To strengthen faith, allow us access to Grace, and to remind of us the Truth of God's Word. (Question? is the "word" in Gods Word capitalized. the word became flesh, it created everything, it will not change by a "jot or tittle" Mathew 5:18, [but that is about the law]. It seems to me the Word should be capitalized) (just trying to get the proper usage here)
  10. I am from Oregon too. I live in Portland, the capital of sexual immorality. Portland has more "exotic" dancing clubs than Las Vegas. Our state constitution, I am told, would even allow for live sex performances on a stage. Our society/culture here gets more perverse by the year. This lack of foundation is destroying Portland. Its citizens don't know who they are or what they stand for. They don't even know what sex they are. They make decisions based on whatever is most convenient at the time with no regard for right or wrong. It is a crazy, shocking place to live. I am looking for another job so I can leave the city. It is in the city and its surrounding suburbs that most of this is going on. If you get 20-30 miles away, things are much more normal.
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