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  1. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    No, you put words in my mouth. I concluded that you are aligned with that stuff because of the implications of the babies going to heaven bit. You know what I said. Your accusations of me being an Arminian and Semi-Pelagian are not only unfounded, you are using those assertions as a dodge to avoid answering my questions. Where in the Bible does it say all babies automatically go to heaven? It would require an "age of accountability". Where is that found in the Bible? They aren't. You are caught in a trap between believing in the babies all going to heaven and election. It can't be both. Several times I have asked for answers to my questions and get nowhere. Instead, you draw false insulting conclusions regarding my beliefs. You apparently are caught between what your church says and what the Bible says. You break your own rules by attacking my beliefs on a personal level, then threaten me with being banned when I defend myself. Look, you asked me to come back to the forum after I quit. So I did. And I've had it with the abuse and double standards. I'm tired of being threatened and walking on eggshells. Ban me and get it over with; I've had it.
  2. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    How do you draw this conclusion? Baptism does not save. Faith does by grace, not of works: Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV. I know that we are born in sin. We are sinners from the womb. Somebody's not reading my Scripture references. Isaiah 48:8 KJV and Romans 9:11 KJV Baptism mentioned by itself is assumed by many to be water, when it is really by the Holy Spirit. The answer that the thief on the cross was a special case doesn't wash. He didn't get or need baptism to be saved or believe. It is belief that saves: John 3:16 KJV These are not rationalizations but Biblical facts. Paul was sent by Jesus to preach the Gospel and not to baptize. Baptism was for a while commanded but its time is now passed. Baptism saving us is an act of works not faith or belief. True believers endure to the end. Many who are baptized with water do not believe or will fall away. True salvation means never falling away permanently. The question was asked that why did God give us unless rituals? I answered that some time ago. The NT had not existed and the mystery of regeneration was just being revealed, so the way it was revealed was through demonstration: water. The OT was demonstration of what would be revealed in the NT. God's use for baptism was to show to the people of that age the mystery of regeneration. After this was revealed, through Paul's preaching and epistles, the mystery of regeneration was revealed by word, as it is today. The word of God reveals the mystery of regeneration by the blood of the Lamb for all who receive Him by the Holy Ghost. It is the baptism of the Holy Ghost which saves, not water. Jesus was baptized with water, not to be saved or regenerated. It was not done for His sake, but for ours to reveal the power of regeneration by the Holy Spirit. The water is symbolic, as the bread and wine are at Communion. So God does not give useless rituals, churches do. It gives them power and a point of necessity which transcends the simple reason we are to attend: Worship God in spirit and in truth as a body of believers together, according to the apostolic instruction. Look to the works of God, not man.
  3. Stratcat

    People In Heaven Praying For Us

    Then there was Abraham's response: "They have Moses and the prophets. Let them hear them."
  4. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    In Matthew 13, study the parable of the wheat and the tares and Jesus' explanation of it. God saves all His wheat, destroys all the Devil's tares. We are what we are, either wheat or tare, and one cannot become the other. This is why Jesus uses seeds in the parable. Also Romans 9:15-22 KJV.
  5. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    And 1 Corinthians 7:14 KJV has nothing to do with Isaiah 48:8 and Romans 9:11. I might point out that Paul also told us not to be unequally yoked with nonbelievers, and that includes marriage. I think RevT had a pretty good explanation of what 1 Corinthians. 7:14 means. Please show me in Scripture where the "age of accountability" is and where babies automatically go to heaven. If we deal treacherously from the womb and it is according to God that election might stand as to who goes to heaven, even babies not yet born, neither having done any good or evil (we are not saved by works), since that is all so, how does one conclude all babies go to heaven and not believe in free will? Even the church I go to believes in all babies going to heaven and the "age of accountability" and they are believers of free will. Since I do not believe in free will in soteriology, I must conclude that God called the shots from the foundation of the world. Where babies go after death is up to God. We lost two babies and are content with the judgement of God as to whether they are in heaven or not because He is God and most just.
  6. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    Bede's clarity of the Gospel is quite sufficient, and I stand corrected. Also on 1 Cor. 7:14. As for the babies automatically going to heaven, I stand on what I said before regarding that doctrine. Where's the "age of accountability" in the Bible? How does that not mean we come to Jesus of our own free will? The purpose of God according to election stands, no matter what age we are talking about.
  7. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    I gave a second gospel, that of the Kingdom in the synoptic Gospels such as Matthew 4:23, et al. Also, in Matthew 24:13-14 - "13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Then Paul's preaching of the Gospel in Romans 10:9- "9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. " Also 2 Timothy 2:8-10: " 8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10 Therefore I endure all things for tthe elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. " Notice that the first Gospel was that of the Kingdom of God. The first one presented here has to be different from the second because Jesus had not yet been crucified. In Paul's Gospel from Jesus after the resurrection, the Gospel is not only believing that Jesus Christ is Lord, but that He died and rose from the dead, which could not have occurred yet in the synoptic gospels. There is therefore more than one Gospel. The one to be preached now is the one of Jesus resurrection from the dead. One who does not believe in the resurrection is not yet a Christian. This is why the Bible teaches the dispensation of the times, in mysteries being revealed as time unfolds according to God's plan. The key here is the mysteries given as mysteries to earlier people, revealed later as the times are fulfilled according to prophesy. During the preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom, the death and resurrection of Jesus was still a mystery to them. After the death and resurrection, Jesus commissioned Paul to spread the newly revealed Gospel, and not to baptize, as that is by the Holy Spirit, which is another mystery revealed in baptism by water and belief first, then by belief later. There was no NT at first, so the mystery was being revealed as shown through actual water baptism. Now, we have the letters of the apostles and Paul had spread the Gospel without water baptism per Jesus' commandment. The "one baptism" is that of the Holy Ghost.
  8. Stratcat

    Giving

    In the O.T. the tithe was clearly spelled out as to percentage and to whom it was to be given - namely, 10% to the temple for the support of the priesthood who had no inheritance in the Land - for the Lord was their inheritance. In the N.T. I don't personally see that specific restriction as to either 10% or only to the local church. Rather I find passages like the following which leave the percentage and the recipient of the gift up to the giver being led by the Spirit of God and his conscience. For example: 1 Cor. 16:2 KJV "On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come." 2 Cor. 9:6-8 KJV "Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed." 2 Cor. 8:3-5 KJV "For I testify that according to their ability, and beyond their ability, they gave of their own accord, begging us with much urging for the favor of participation in the support of the saints, and this, not as we had expected, but they first gave themselves to the Lord and to us by the will of God."
  9. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    Especially when it is not in the Bible to do so. Theo, you are right, the two don't tie together at all. One cannot wash away original sin with water, only the blood of the Lamb can do that. There is only one Gospel that applies to the present times, and it comes from Paul, that we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior and believe in our hearts that He died and rose from the dead, we shall be saved. There are other Gospels for other people of other times, Such as in Revelation where if you persevere to the end you shall be saved. Belief in the Lord Jesus Christ is the key to the good news. He reconciles us with the Father by grace in our current age or dispensation; all who receive Him, according to election.
  10. Stratcat

    The doctrine of predestination

    “12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” - John 1:12-13 1 Corinthians 3:7 - “7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.” In the first reference, we are not born into salvation, not can we choose it of our own will, which is enmity against God, not by the will of man, where others try to petition the Lord to save such and such a person. We receive God, not accept Him. In the second reference, we spread the Gospel, which is to confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and Savior and to believe in our hearts that He died and rose from the dead. Another may also witness to that person, but ultimately God gives the increase if he is chosen from the foundation of the world, Revelation 17:8 KJV. Jesus was predestined to die for our sins before creation: Revelation 13:8 KJV Predestination is everything predetermined by God before the world began. Election deals specifically with who is chosen by God since before the world began. There is much more to say on this subject. Read Matthew 13, the parable of the wheat and the tares and Jesus' interpretation of it. We are what we are, either wheat or tares, as explained by the Lord.
  11. Stratcat

    Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation?

    And I agree to the Bible. One is written by man, the other by God. Which would be better for you? Look at the condition churches are in today. Where is the Nicene creed in them? Where is the Bible in them? As for the Nicene Creed, after rereading it I agree with everything it says, including the one baptism. That being of the Holy Ghost upon each believer. If you stopped to think about what I said, you would know I never disagreed with it. The one baptism, you assume, is by water. The Bible and the creed do not say that. The Bible does say believers are baptized by the Holy Ghost. That is the one baptism. I most certainly believe that God is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, one God. How you could believe I thought otherwise is beyond my comprehension.
  12. Stratcat

    Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation?

    William, you don't read my posts very well. I do believe in the triune God. You believe in jumping to false conclusions. You treat water baptism as though it were for all things at once: repentance, salvation, believer's, and Holy Ghost. They are distinctive, with the only one being necessary throughout is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. You continue to insult my intelligence and belittle my beliefs to the point of being arrogant and wrong in your conclusions. You are wrong about me and nothing has changed in the way you treat me online. I am getting personal here because you backed me into a corner with your false allegations of who I am... repeatedly. I have told you my beliefs very clearly, yet I'm still not getting through. You constantly try to analyze me, which is near impossible using these posts. I don't know you, just what I read on the posts. You've really changed since the forum first started, and I've said that to you before. You didn't used to be this way. I didn't come here to be insulted by allegations of being associated with cults or in any other way.
  13. Stratcat

    Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation?

    The Creed may believe this, but I contend that the baptism is of the spirit, not water at this point. All believers are baptized with the Holy Ghost; hence, the one baptism, according to Scripture. Baby baptism is not in the Scripture at all. I stand on the Scriptures of Isaiah 48:8 KJV and Romans 9:11 KJV. This is because all choosing for salvation is by God alone, by His words alone, through the Holy Spirit alone, water only having been a representation which when commanded was for a specific period and stopped through most of Paul's ministry which covers the age of grace and reconciliation with God which we have from then through today. When baptism was commanded was during Jesus' time on earth, yet the thief on the cross was not baptized, yet believed and saved. Since without the Holy Spirit we are not of Jesus, the thief had to have been baptized on the cross by the Spirit, who stopped his railings against the Lord while the other thief continued. He was promised salvation that day and no water baptism was required, but being Lord, Jesus could have arranged it if it had to be. This so-called exception to the rule was no exception, but proved that water baptism was no longer necessary or commanded. Was it actually commanded after Jesus' resurrection or simply carried on for a time until Paul's ministry took hold? The thief on the cross showed that it was not required (commanded) anymore. Paul's ministry quickly carried out the commandments of Jesus to spread the Gospel and not to baptize. Jesus would have told Paul to baptize with water if it were to be so. He certainly would not have told him to not baptize if it were to be so; that is a fact that cannot be ignored or stretched.
  14. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    William: I would like to discuss 1 Corinthians 7:14 KJV. We cannot ignore Scripture, only rightly divide it. The Scriptures I posted on this topic cannot be ignored either. I am trying to understand the combination which opens the lock to this seeming mystery. We are only saved by belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and that He rose from the dead. How does an unbelieving husband or wife get around this? How are the children saved when they do not believe? But we overlook one thing. God judges the heart, and only He can. What we know is definite is that we must believe and that only God can and does judge the heart, even of unborn children and babies, as to whether He put His Spirit in them. Election is the answer. We are made as sinners by design: Revelation 13:8 KJV referring the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Perhaps the circumstance Paul referred to are those where those babies are judged as being believers. This is a guess. That does not mean all babies, however. That is clear from the Scripture references in my previous posts. Cut the nonsense about the Baptist church, as I am not Baptist and the comments about it and me are unbecoming.
  15. Stratcat

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    Origen, exactly right. That is my point. Dispensation is stewardship, not all about time.
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