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  1. NetChaplain

    Completely Conformed

    Just wanted to make an additional reply Will. I believe God gives us the desire to choose Him, thus we are making a choice, i.e. Deu 30:19; Adam and Eve's choice, etc. Blessings!
  2. NetChaplain

    Retirement, Then Service

    Hi P37, and appreciate your input! Blessings!
  3. NetChaplain

    Retirement, Then Service

    Moses spent forty years in the house of Pharaoh; and while his sojourn there was not without its influence and value, yet it was as nothing when compared with his sojourn in the desert. The former might be valuable; but the latter was invaluable, and indispensable. Nothing can possibly make up for the lack of secret communion with the Father, or the training and discipline of His school. “All the wisdom of the Egyptians” would not have qualified Moses for his future path. He might have pursued a most brilliant course through the schools and colleges of Egypt. He might have come forth laden with literary honors—his intellect stored with learning, and his heart full of pride and self-sufficiency. He might have taken out his degree in the school of man, and yet have to learn his alphabet in the school of the Father. Mere human wisdom and learning, how valuable so ever in themselves, can never constitute any one a servant of the Father, nor equip him for any department of divine service. Such things may qualify un-renewed nature to figure before the world, but the man whom the Father will use must be endowed with widely different qualifications—such qualifications as can alone be found in the deep and hallowed retirement of the Father’s presence. All true servants of the Father have been made to know and experience the truth of these statements. Moses at Horeb, Elijah at Cherith, Ezekiel at Chebar, Paul in Arabia and John at Patmos, are all striking examples of the immense practical importance of being alone with the Father. When we look at the Divine Servant, we find that the time He spent in private was nearly ten times as long as that which He spent in public. He, though perfect in understanding and in will, spent nearly thirty years in the obscurity of a carpenter’s house at Nazareth before He made His appearance in public. And even when He had entered upon His public career, how often He retreated from the gaze of men to enjoy the sweet and sacred retirement of the Divine Presence! Now we may feel disposed to ask, “How could the urgent demand for workman ever be met if all need such protracted training in secret before they come forth to their work”? This is the Master’s care—not ours. He can provide workmen, and He can train them also. This is not man’s work. The Father alone can provide a true minister. Nor is it a question with Him as to the length of time needful for the education of such an individual. We know He could educate him in a moment, if it were His will to do so. One thing is evident, namely, that the Father has had all His servants very much alone with Himself, both before and after their entrance upon their public work; nor will anyone truly get on without this. The absence of secret training and discipline will necessarily leave us barren, superficial and theoretic. A man who ventures forth upon a public career before he has duly weighed himself in the balances of the sanctuary, or measured himself in the presence of his Father, is like a ship putting out to sea without proper ballast: he will doubtless overturn with the first stiff breeze. On the contrary, there is a depth, a solidity and a steadiness flowing from our having passed from form to form in the school of our Father, which are essential elements in the formation of the character of a true and effective servant of the Father. - C H Mackintosh MJS devotional for June 13: “There is no personal knowledge of God but as we count on Him, as we are practically conscious of depending on Him and of His caring for us. One without straits, and victories, really has no growing acquaintance with God; and where there is not this, however great the intelligence or sincerity, there is little or no savor.” – M J S http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
  4. NetChaplain

    Plus One

    What a most secure and encouraging truth, that the believer will never again be alone after being reborn. And, not only the Father and Son’s (Rom 8:9; Gal 4:6 1Pet 1:11) Holy Spirit eternally within (Jhn 14:16) but also now and forever connected with all who are Theirs. Often in our trials we can become distracted from minding the truth that the Spirit of comfort (Jhn 14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7) is ever in us—which is the greatest encouragement we can have, because we eventually learn that just knowing God remains in and with us resolves all difficulties. How encouraged the disciples could have been in the “boat” (Mk 4:39; Psa 89:9) if this had already been a part of their maturity. But greater is it when considering that this was merely another lesson (among many as we all know) being used for the maturing of their faith. The difficulties that distract me the most are those I create, and I momentarily forget that I’m not alone. But regardless of where a trial comes from it is not only foreknown but has also been prearranged to benefit your faith, and this is what we are to remember the most for optimum consistency in our “endurance” (2Tim 2:3). The difficulties believers encounter are always (regardless of the size) for the testing of our faith, and this is not a pass-fail test but is always a strengthening test from its teaching, like determining the purity of gold when tested (i.e. what gold tests out to be, by acid). We have already been passed, thus it is not as though we are on probation, to see what we will do, but it’s the lesson we learn in realizing our benefit from trusting God in the hardness. Of course, it should easily be understood how impractical this faith lesson would be if we don’t know the permanency of our union with God will never be disrupted; fellowship yes, but never unity. There is the greatest comfort in knowing that everything results to our benefit, even when we know not what to think, feel, do or say. “For if we hope for that which we see not, then do we with patience wait for it” (this is matured faith – Rom 8:25). Regardless of your present maturity level, the outcome of the blessing is the same—but the strength of your faith has just again “increased” (Luke 17:5)!
  5. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    Amen, while young in the faith and growing in Christ's image, distraction comes easy but never to the point of deception from God's purpose for the believer, all of which is just used for our growth. As it is now for the believer, it was so in the time of the early believers, it took much time to "be conformed into image of Christ." Once the believer reaches a certain maturity--the distractions are so lessened that our understanding and walk are consistent with His Word! Blessings, and appreciate your replies!
  6. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    Myself, I see nothing confirming these Galatians leaving Christianity but optimism that they will remain because Paul believed they were genuine Christians (Gal 5:10; Heb 6:9). Also it shows they were not very matured yet in their faith, being easily deceived concerning Judaism (Christianity was yet early then). Christians learn from the testings (deceptions and distractions) of their faith where their maturity is in Christ, but their redemption is complete and is not based on their maturity, which I beliee involves much time to reach the point of being considered strong in the faith; and regardless of the strength of faith, it will always grow and never cease or pass away in this life. Immature Christians can be distracted and hindered but not misled because God "keeps them from falling" (Jude 1:24). Blessings!
  7. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    HI and thanks for your reply! I appreciate your laborious post, and regardless of a subject-matter we can learn from what is presented, which content also speaks of other subjects. Of course the subject-matter above to me describes that those in the faith of Christianity remain in it and those who leave it manifest that their heart was never in it, otherwise they would have "continued" in it (1Jhn 2:19), considering that God would be "working" in them to remain and grow (Phil 2:13). I believe many appease the conscience through the peaceful knowledge of Christ's Gospel, which is merely a mental application without a heart application that only derives from a rebirth experience in Christ.
  8. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    Hi Sue! Amen, and thanks for the instructional reply! Blessings!
  9. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    I believe continuance is the best outward indication of faith, because faith never ceases. I do not think one can actually believe and then not believe. It's not sensible, because if one decides he actually disbelieves it would mean he never actually believed, regardless of what he thought he truly believed. I also believe that the New Covenant in Christ is not between God and man but between Christ and the Father (God); and believers is just recipients of it. Blessings!
  10. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    Hi Atpollard, and thanks for your reply! Not sure I understand the above, but “Strong's Number G1922 matches the Greek ἐπίγνωσις (epignōsis), which occurs 20 times in 20 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV.” https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1922&t=KJV
  11. NetChaplain

    Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

    This OP is for attempting a combined participation from those who are desiring to know more about the permanency of faith and salvation. I am presenting a couple passages to attempt to initiate interest in others who might desire to list whatever passages they can find relating to this issue that we can analyze together. The reason for my interest in dealing more with this issue is due to the fact that I believe it is the most significant Bible doctrine related to spiritual growth in the “image of Christ.” 2Pet 2:20 “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ . . .” They can obtain mental peace (escape) merely through knowing (but not understanding) Christ’s Gospel and acting in outward motions of false professions and works, but if they have not truly desired to be in His Gospel it will eventually manifest itself when “they are again entangled in them and overcome.” 2Pe 2:21 “For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.” This describes only “knowing the way,” but instead of following it they “turn from it,” and continue as they were. This parallels Heb 10:26: “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth . . .” (Heb 10:26). Both of these passages are a description of one merely receiving the knowledge of the truth but not receiving the “truth.” In other words, choosing to continue as they were, even after becoming aware of “the truth,” but not choosing to receive and follow it. A Couple Commentator Examples: Albert Barnes (1798–1870): “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world” - This does not necessarily mean that they had been true Christians, and had fallen from grace. People may outwardly reform, and escape from the open corruptions which prevail around them, or which they had themselves practiced, and still have no true grace at heart. “Through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesses Christ” - Neither does this imply that they were true Christians, or that they had ever had any saving knowledge of the Redeemer. There is a knowledge of the doctrines and duties of religion which may lead sinners to abandon their outward vices, which has no connection with saving grace. They may profess religion, and may know enough of religion to understand that it requires them to abandon their vicious habits, and still never be true Christians. “For it had been better for them …” It would have been better for them, for: (1) Then they would not have dishonored the cause of religion as they have now done. (2) They would not have sunk so deep in profligacy as they now have. (3) They would not have incurred so aggravated a condemnation in the world of woe. If people are resolved on being wicked, they had better never pretend to be good. If they are to be cast off at last, it had better not be as apostates from the cause of virtue and religion. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/2-peter-2.html John Gill (1697–1771): “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world....” The sins of it, the governing vices of it, which the men of the world are addicted to, and immersed in; for the whole world lies in wickedness, and which are of a defiling nature: the phrase is Rabbinical; it is said {q}, "he that studies not in the law in this world, but is defiled amle ypwnjb, "with the pollutions of the world," what is written of him? and they took him, and cast him without:" these, men may escape, abstain from, and outwardly reform, with respect unto, and yet be destitute of the grace of God; so that this can be no instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints; for the house may be swept and garnished with an external reformation; persons may be outwardly righteous before men, have a form of godliness and a name to live, and yet be dead in trespasses and sins; all which they may have “Through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” The Vulgate Latin, and all the Oriental versions, read, our Lord, and the latter leave out, "and Saviour"; by which "knowledge" is meant, not a spiritual experimental knowledge of Christ, for that is eternal life, the beginning, pledge, and earnest of it; but a notional knowledge of Christ, or a profession of knowledge of him, for it may be rendered "acknowledgment"; or rather the Gospel of Christ, which, being only notionally received, may have such an effect on men, as outwardly to reform their lives, at least in some instances, and for a while, in whose hearts it has no place. “For it had been better for them....” Not that ignorance is good, or to be excused; but it would have been a lesser evil, and not so much aggravated: “Not to have known the way of righteousness”; the same with "the way of truth," 2 Peter 2:2, and "the right way," 2 Peter 2:15, the Gospel, which points out the way and method of a sinner's justification before God, which is not by the works of the law, but by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, and received by faith; and which teaches men to live soberly, righteously, and godly; and a large, notional, though not an experimental knowledge, these apostates had of the word and doctrine of righteousness, and indeed of the whole of the Christian religion, which may truly go by this name: “Then after they have known [it]”; owned, embraced, and professed it: “To turn”: the Vulgate Latin version, and some copies, as the Alexandrian and others, add, to that which is behind; to their former lusts, or errors, or worse, which they had turned their backs upon externally. “From the holy commandment delivered unto them”; by the commandment is meant the Gospel also, see 2 Peter 3:2; called holy, because of its nature and influence, and in opposition to the pollutions of the world; and which is the faith once delivered, Jude 1:3, and which they received, as delivered to them; and, particularly, the ordinances of it, which they once submitted to, kept, and observed, as they were delivered to them, but now relinquished, or corrupted: wherefore, it would have been better for them to have been in their former ignorance, either in Judaism, or in Gentilism, since proportionate to a man's light is his guilt, and so his punishment, see Romans 2:12. https://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=gill&b=61&c=2
  12. NetChaplain

    We Are As He Is

    Hi P37, and thanks for your reply!
  13. NetChaplain

    We Are As He Is

    When we are reborn we are imparted with eternal salvation (the only kind there is – Heb 5:9), and all that is yet to come is unceasing growth in our faith—for the purpose of drawing nearer to God, encouraging the saved and being used of Him to “draw” the lost! We Are As He Is If we are born of God we are abidingly His children, and we have the right to take our position as that before our Father. It is now our privilege to think of ourselves according to what we are as being in the Lord Jesus Christ; and this is always maintained by Him (being also the “Finisher of our faith” - Heb 12:2—NC). That is eternal; it is unchangeable. The Lord Jesus is ever before the face of the Father. He is our Life and Advocate there. What we are by grace, as in Him before the Father, is unchangeable (Rom 11:29; Num 23:19—NC), and our interests are in His hands. He has a righteous claim to be our representative there. Do our failures, our sins (unlike an unbeliever, the sins of a believer are never “willful” – Heb 10:26—NC), in anywise alter what He is there for us before the face of the Father? What He is there is what we are, not of course in ourselves, but as being in Him. Our standing before our Father is not according to what we are in ourselves. By the grace of God we have been made partakers of the Son. We have His nature (Col 3:10; 2Pe 1:4—NC), we partake of His life (Col 3:4). As having it, for the Father we are characterized by it, “that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.” What the nature and life are in Him determines what they are in us. Our bodies are yet to be conformed to His body. In this respect we are not yet “as He is,” but as regards the life that has been given to us, it is even now while we are still in this world what it is in Him. If we speak of ourselves as characterized by the life that has been imparted to us we may say, “We are as He is”; that is simply saying we have community of life with Him. But if we are participators with Him in life, the abiding character of that life does not depend on us (in the new nature we are completely “conformed in His image” and our maturing will progressively manifest it—NC). Whether we are faithful or not (unfaithfulness manifests a babe-in-Christ maturity because all who are reborn eventually matures in Christ’s image by the Father’s “work in you,” via the Spirit using the Word of course – Phil 2:13—NC), the character of the life is unchanged. If we sin, He remains the same, and the believer, however troubled he may be about his sins, has the privilege of looking at Him and to say, by my sins I may have falsified the life He has imparted to me, but in Him it abides in its perfect eternal character. He is before the face of my Father for me, my Life there. In Him my relation to the Father is maintained in righteousness. “The Blood of Jesus Christ, God’s Son, cleanses us from all sin.” As regards our sin, then, our Advocate with the Father is “propitiation.” This does not mean that He has to make propitiation for our sins. He is not now making propitiation; Himself is the propitiation (1 Jhn 2:2). And since He is ever before the Father’s face, He is in the place of favor. And He is appearing “in the presence of God for us” (Heb 9:24). He is in the position of favor for us. This means that the Father’s attitude toward us is based upon Him. We are the objects of the favor of the Father as being in His Beloved. The Lord Jesus then, is the Father’s satisfaction concerning our sins. It is not that He does not abhor them; He surely does; but His Son having glorified Him concerning our sins has an undisputed claim on Him for being looked upon as fully appeased respecting the sins of those who through grace have come to be in Him. What comfort in knowing, when I have been ensnared and overcome, that as I turn to look upon my Representative before that face of my Father, His gracious attitude towards me has not been affected; that He still looks upon me, not according to what I am in myself (one with a sin nature—NC) but according to the One in whom He has accepted me. -C Crain Excerpt from MJS devotional for June 6: “Often the lapidary will polish the jewel with its own dust. Just so our Father makes use of the weak and beggarly element of our nature to produce the mirror-like luster in which His image is finally reflected for all to see. “They shall be Mine. . . in that day when I make up My jewels” (Malachi 3:17).” - MJS “Those who know the Lord best are those who have gone the deepest way. Those who go the deep way of trial do so because God puts the premium upon their knowledge of Him. They are the people who are shut up to God. But this knowledge is firstly, constitutional: that is, it is to constitute a certain kind of person and character; and secondly it is vocational: it does not end with the person concerned, but is the essence of service, in time and eternity. God is very practical, and requires that things in His service are never merely theoretical but real and true to life.” -T. A-S. http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
  14. NetChaplain

    Mission Accomplished

    HI P37, and thanks for your reply! Good passages, because I find they relate to the entirety of Scripture! I find the OP article relating primarily to two issues--the eternal assurance we have in God at rebirth while He is "conforming us to the image of Christ," and showing this by knowing we are unavoidably going to Heaven, thus we can think on Heaven as our present resting place even in this life in order to assist our growth in our faith. God's blessings to your Family!
  15. NetChaplain

    Mission Accomplished

    One mark of spiritual maturity is noticing yourself finding less significance in the things here and more in the things There. The more we understand that all things which are provided in this life are only to teach us of our eternal relationship with God, the less we will be too mindful of them because the things of Heaven will be that which gradually fills our hearts and minds more than the things here! Knowing our permanent relationship with God is all that is needed to sustain us to be in unbroken gratitude unto Him, esp. during the trials, which is where His love is greatly manifested in “conforming” us to the image of the Lord Jesus (2 Cor 3:18; 1 Jhn 4:17) in this life! When we trust that He prearranges everything that occurs in this life for our “good” (Rom 8:28 – primarily for the good of growing in our faith—NC), we can be “in perfect peace” (Isa 26:3) and progressively grow in confidence in Him by always “casting all your care on Him, because He cares for you” (1 Pet 5:7). Mission Accomplished “And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of My people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey” (Exo 3:7, 8). I find that my Father has a purpose for me—to bring me out of one place and into another. The prodigal’s place is in the Father’s house though, as to himself, he may not have come upstairs yet; and that is the case with most saints. I may not have reached it yet (i.e. know you’re in the purpose of the Father—NC), but I know the desire of my Father’s heart about me. Saints often make their necessity the measure of God’s action for them. It is true that my necessities are met, but this is never the measure of my Father’s action for me. If we make our necessity the measure, we never get beyond it. We shall not be able to glorify Him if we only take what we need. “Ye have not because ye ask not.” According to your apprehension of the truth is the measure of it that you receive: “Unto everyone that hath, it shall be given, and he shall have abundance” (Mat 13:12). Though united to the Lord Jesus in heaven, there as your “Life” (Col 3:4), you must yet know what it is to be in the place where He is (in my opinion, to be there now in position is to know the inevitability of being there eventually in presence—NC). What many want is to get the Lord down into their own circumstances (which would defeat our representation of His presence there—NC); but you must find Him in the place where He is. It is true that all the sympathy I need, I meet with from Him in my circumstances here. But the only thing that will satisfy my heart is being in company and fellowship with the One who has won my heart; in order to enjoy a person you must be in the place where that person is, with the Person who dwells there. Really I am There through grace; I have been quickened together with Christ; that is my possession in life. But, now comes my possession in practice. I am rising up to the place where my Father has positioned me in the risen Lord Jesus, who sits at His own right hand in glory. It is just as much the grace of God to put me into heaven as it is to take me out of hell. People think that because they have this position in gift (Heaven—NC) that they therefore have it in practice; but many a man has property who does not know how to use it; it is not the fact of having possession of it that ensures your enjoyment of it. “The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting” (Pro 12:27). I say it with grief in my heart, that where I find a great deal of intelligence about the truth brought out in Ephesians 2:6, there is often very little heart about it. I have sometimes said to people, “Did you ever lose a night’s rest trying to get hold of you heavenly place?” There is nothing to me sadder than the way in which saints will allow that they have not got it (the assurance and peace of it—NC), and yet the little earnestness they show in seeking to get it. Let it be the place that you seek—seek as hid treasure. “Where you treasure is, there will your heart be also” (Luk 12:34). I do not put your own benefit before you, because that is not the thing; but I do say, nothing here should satisfy your heart, because nothing will satisfy your Father’s heart, but your being able to come before Him and say, “I am come into the place which my Father has given me; the Lord Jesus Christ is the One who has brought me in; I delight in the One who has done it; I lay my basket down before Him, and worship the Lord my God. - J B Stoney Excerpt from MJS devotional for May 30: “Our Father disciplines us that we may be more fully free from the old nature, and find everything in the Lord Jesus. But He begins the lesson with the assurance, ‘I love you perfectly. “I bring you into the desert to learn what you are, and what I am; but it is as those I have brought to Myself! He gives us a place with the Lord Jesus, but then shows us what He is and what we are. The discipline of the way teaches this; but if He, in His love, strikes the furrows in the heart, it is that He may sow the seed which shall ripen in glory.” – JND http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
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