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  1. Jason0047

    Easy believism

    The New Covenant did not officially begin until Christ died upon the cross. At the start of the New Covenant, a good majority of the commands given to us by Jesus during His Earthly ministry can be applied to us believers today and not just to the disciples. Then there are the commands given to us by Christ's followers. Paul himself said that if any man thinks himself to be spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that he writes are the commandments of the Lord. When the New Covenant began, there were was a change of the Law (See Hebrews 7:12). This does not mean there is no more Law. It means the Old Covenant and it's commands as a whole had been abolished. Yes, certain commands do appear to be repeated in the New Covenant like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc. In fact, Paul says that loving your neighbor is the fulfilling of this part of the Law (See Romans 13:8-9). But Christians are not saved by turning God's grace into a license for immorality (or by thinking God's laws do not apply to them in regards to salvation). Jude 1:4 warns against those who turns God's grace into a license for immorality. I mean, basic morality should tell you that you have to obey God as a part of being in His good kingdom. For no King would ever want a disloyal servant in his service. Jesus said to the rich young ruler, "...if you will enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17). The rich young ruler asked which ones. Jesus mentioned the moral law (Which is even repeated as commands after the cross). While Jesus's ministry focus was to the Jews before the cross, it is not exactly true that Jesus was only following OT Law alone. Jesus was making changes in the Law before the cross. For He was preparing believers under the NT for the new way of serving Him. Jesus says to us that we are no longer to render an eye for an eye but we are now to turn the other cheek. Jesus says you have heard it said to love your neighbor and to hate your enemy, but I say unto you to love your enemies, do good unto those that hate you, bless those that curse you, and pray for them that despitefully use you. Mark 7:15, and Mark 7:19 Jesus declares all foods are clean (Which is a change of the OT Laws that says there are clean and unclean foods). Yet, Paul says the Gentiles did by nature the things that are contained in the Law (Romans 2:14). "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law:" (Romans 2:12). After We are Saved by God's Grace, God’s Works (Done Through Us) Are Also Required As a Part of the Salvation Process: (Here are a List of Verses): “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24). "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18). "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16). "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, "(1 Timothy 6:3-4). "...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6). "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2). "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9). "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14). "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (1 Corinthians 16:22). "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15). "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38). "...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62). “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8). "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21). "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11). "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20). “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22). "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17). “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12). “...And having become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end, everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22). “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10). Verses on the Error of Christians saying they cannot walk uprightly: Jesus says, "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5:16).​ Jesus also says, "You give glory to my Father when you produce a lot of fruit and therefore show that you are my disciples." (John 15:8 GW).​ And Peter says, "Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).​ Paul says, "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).​ As for your claim that Hebrews 8 does not mention anything about obedience: This is not exactly true. I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (Hebrews 8:10). It doesn't make any sense for God to put the laws in the minds and hearts of His followers if they are not going to actually keep those laws. David says that he hid God's Word within his heart so that he may not sin against the Lord (Psalms 119:11). Also, if you were to keep reading in the book of Hebrews, it says, this, as well. "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, " (Hebrews 10:26). In addition, if you were to skip back to Hebrews 3, you would be able to read this, 12 "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin." (Hebrews 3:12-13). So a believer can harden their heart by the deceitfulness of sin; And evil heart of unbelief is what leads to departing fromt he living God. You cannot depart from the living God unless you were once in his care or love.
  2. Jason0047

    Easy believism

    I never said John 14:15 said that - where, for example, did I mention the 10 commandments? So, please explain which of my actual statements you disagree with: i) We ain't getting into heaven if we don't love Jesus ii) If were not obeying him, we are not loving him Now, moving on from that. let's examine John 14:15, Jesus says, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." notice it is a plural, if Jesus was just referring to one commandment, why does he speak in the plural and not the singular? He is referring to all his commandments, and not just one. So, let's look at some of those commandments shall we: Luke 12:15 seems to be Jesus speaking about the importance of keeping the tenth commandment Matt 5:27-28 seems to be Jesus speaking about the seventh commandment Matt 5:21-22 seems to be Jesus speaking about the fifth commandment It seems to me that actually when looks carefully into the matter that all 10 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the NT and continue to be applied to believers, as well as unbelievers. Actually John 5:24 speaks about believe in the father, not the son, but is that all that Jesus Christ said about salvation? Does he not also say things like this: Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. (Luk 9:23 NKJ) "But why do you call Me`Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say? "Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: "He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. "But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great." (Luk 6:46-49 NKJ) "And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." (Luk 3:9 NKJ) "For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush." (Luk 6:44 NKJ) It seems to me that Jesus Christ expected saving faith to be lived out in obvious ways! What about the apostles (and other NT writers)? Well let's examine their words shall we: Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. (Jam 2:17 NKJ) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10 NKJ) Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. (Phi 2:12-13 NKJ) This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men. (Tit 3:8 NKJ) having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation. (1Pe 2:12 NKJ) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. (Gal 5:22-23 NKJ) They all confirm Jesus Christ's own words. Now, to be clear, not of these texts even hint at salvation by works - salvation is all of faith and grace (Eph 3:8-9). However a genuine faith, a faith that saves results not just in justification, but sanctification as well (1 Cor 6:11), and because of that it will be lived out. That means the person who claims 'to believe' but who is not striving to obey all of the commandments of God (and there are around 1500 imperatives in the NT alone) is, through their actions (or lack of actions) proving that they have no genuine faith, most likely what they have is mere mental assent to the truths of God's word. So, is it all about mental assent, or is it about an experience of God's love for us as well, "Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Rom 5:5 NKJ) Did he really? Where does he say he 'loves' Jesus before the denial? I know he confessed his 'belief' that Jesus was the messiah, and I know he was willing to defend Jesus, and I know he refused to leave Jesus when many of his other followers deserted him - but where does he say he 'loves' Jesus? I think you will find that John obeyed Jesus as well as loved him, why was he on Patmos? Was for loving Jesus, or serving Jesus? To repeat, this is not salvation by works, it is salvation demonstrated through a desire to live within the will of God, and whilst the love of others is part of that, it comes second to the love of God and it includes every law that God has written on our hearts (Heb 10:16) I like what you said here. Great stuff. There is only one thing I would say differently. After we are saved by God's grace, we are indeed saved by good works. Granted, these are not our works, but they are the works of the Lord done through us. For it is God who works in us to do His will and good pleasure. I remember I used to be afraid of saying that we are saved by works. But in a way, we are saved by works, too. They are just not our works. But they are God's works. I believe Ephesians 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 is in reference to "Man Directed Works Alone Salvationism" (without God's grace). James 2:17-18 and James 2:24 suggests we are justified (saved) by works. But as I said before, they are God's works done through us.
  3. Jason0047

    All 613 Laws of the Old Testament

    The Law has Changed. The believer in Jesus Christ is under the Commands in the New Testament (that come from Jesus and His followers). However, the Mosaic Law (as a whole package deal) no longer exists. It became obsolete with Christ's death. It is obvious the Old Law does not still exist (as a whole) because various commands in the New Testament have changed what the Old Law says. For example: Paul says that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Jesus says to us that we are no longer to render an eye for an eye but we are to turn the other cheek. When Jesus died upon the cross, the temple veil was torn letting us know that the laws on the priesthood and the animal sacrifices were no longer valid anymore. Jesus is our Heavenly High Priest and He is our Passover Lamb. Paul says we are no longer to judge according to Sabbaths and holy days. Peter was told to eat unclean animals (Which is a violation of OT Law). However, just because the OT Law is obsolete as a whole, does not mean God does not have other laws (or commands) for us today. In fact, one must understand that God has "Eternal Moral Laws" for man since after his "fall" in the Garden. After the "fall": It was always wrong to murder, commit adultery, sleep with one's parents, get drunk, hate your brother, covet, lie, commit idolatry, etc. These Moral laws existed before the written Law and they still exist today. The written Law of Moses merely repeated them or emphasized them. But in addition to these moral laws, there were laws (within the Old Law) that were exclusive to the nation of Israel. These are ceremonial laws (like the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, the dietary laws, animal sacrifices involving a priesthood) and civil laws (like on how to manage farming etc.) and judicial laws (like regulating legal matters). There were a total of 613 Commands in the Old Testament Law of Moses. Some of these Laws are God's Eternal Moral Laws; Others are exclusively for Israel and do not apply to us. Believers today are under the New Testament (i.e. the New Covenant) with new laws (Which would include God's Eternal Moral Laws). Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed (along with the change of the priesthood). Jesus did not come to abrogate God's Eternal Moral Laws (like do not murder, do not hate, do not commit adultery, do not steal, etc.). Jesus nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (like the Saturday Sabbath, the death penalty for disobeying God's laws, circumcision, the dietary laws, etc.) (See Colossians 2:14-17). Jesus says, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17). So Jesus did not come to destroy all Law and it's consequences but He came to fulfill them into their true intended purpose with the commands given to us within the New Testament. These many commands in the NT are based on love. Love God and love your neighbor.
  4. Well said. Thank you.
  5. Jason0047

    Who Will Have All Men to be Saved

    I agree with your interpretation on 1 Timothy 2:3-6,, but I do not agree with your view on 2 Peter 3:9. How so? Because Jesus commissioned the disciples to preach the gospel unto all nations. God wants to save everyone. God sending Jonah to the city of Nineveh proves that God is concerned with the salvation of men who are not Jewish (even before the Incarnation of Christ). Just read Genesis 4:7 again. God is saying to Cain that he has a choice to do good or bad. God desires all people to repent and to be saved. To suggest otherwise would mean God created people to sin as their only option. But that would make God the direct author of sin and evil. That is just not possible because God is good and there is no darkness within Him. God gave man free will to choose the good and to refuse evil. God desires that man always does the right thing because God is Holy and righteous and He desires to have a relationship with all of mankind.
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    Why Should We Study Systematic Theology?

    Systemetic Theolology is merely just one's statement of Faith on various subjects or topics in the Bible. If one does not have an opinion on what the Bible says and or if they do not find those different categories or topics of importance, then I have to question their love and their passion for the Word of God (Which is the foundation of a person's faith). For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God. Are we hearing the Word of God? Are we studying it? 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV says we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God.
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    Calvinism and Evangelism

    First, God's grace is based on a condition. For not everyone will be saved because not all will come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 says God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Surely this is the will of God that is not being brought forth here. We do not see all people coming to repentance. God's will here is not being accomplished (Even though God can still use evil or bad people for His ultimate good). Second, if God's grace was not based on God knowing how we would respond to His free gift, and God just forced some to believe and others to not believe, then the Judgment would be a farce or joke. God could not condemn His own creation for sinning against Him if they had no choice in the matter (or if sinning was their only option). Third, if one moves the decision of accepting God and or rejecting God in the hands of God and not man, then one is essentially saying that God is the direct author of sin and evil. However, this is not the case. The Scriptures say, God is good; And that there is no darkness within Him. Sin was the result of Adam and Eve choosing to rebel against God. The Lord did not force Adam and Eve to obey or disobey. It was their choice to rebel against God. The Lord our God simply being aware of man's future free will choices does not in any way mean He forced or influenced man's hand to sin (As if that was His plan all along). The Scriptures say God does not tempt any man, but he is drawn away by his own lusts and desires.
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