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  1. In establishment insider history professor Carrol Quigley's 1960's book Tragedy and Hope, he revealed how the British Round Table group in America's Council On Foreign Relations said if they could get control of 25 of the most popular newspapers, then they would have the rest of the little news outlets in the bag. Their main purpose was to use news outlets to influence popular opinion. More Americans are waking up to the establishment's plans for world socialism. That's another thing Quigley revealed in his book. He showed how the establishment often works with Communism, and has no problem doing so. He showed evidence in his book of how the Rhodes scholarship program is actually a front for training political officials in the road to world socialism. Cecil B. Rhodes was a British socialist, and his students continued his aims. This is why the Rhodes scholar Bill Clinton went to Oxford in London, a school where Rhodes scholars are trained. Clinton also endorsed Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley in his inaugural speech.
  2. davy

    The Creatures in Revelation

    How the old pagan empires used their symbols is one thing; and how God uses symbols is another thing. In Rev.9 with the scorpion symbol, God is simply using the idea of a 'real' scorpion in nature, how it attacks its prey. He is not using a symbol from pagan Babylon. So to not understand how God is using the scorpion in Rev.9 as an analogy is to miss His Message there. How then does a real scorpion work? It stings its prey, numbing it. Then it regurgitates an acidic fluid into the victim's mouth which turns the victim's insides to mush. Then the scorpion sucks up the mush out of the victim leaving the victim like an empty shell. The whole idea is meant in the spiritual sense of how the locusts attack their prey. The literal meaning is what comes out of the locust's mouths (words) will cause spiritual deception. And in our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse warning for the end, the very first warning He gave was to not allow any many to deceive us (Matt.24). This explains why the locusts can only sting those not sealed for five months, and they cannot kill them, but only sting. But for those of us who are sealed with God's seal, though we are not subjected to that stinging, we will still be here, and some of us will be delivered up (Mark 13).
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    Daniel 9:24

    There is a literal gap of time between fulfillment of the 69th and 70th week of the Dan.9 prophecy. It's not the only example of time gaps involving prophecies in God's Word (compare Luke 4 what Jesus read from Isaiah 61, stopping to not read the "day of vengeance" which is for His 2nd coming). See Zechariah 9:9-10, which verse 9 is about Jesus' 1st coming, and verse 10 is about His 2nd coming. It's also not that difficult to grasp that the events of the Dan.9:27 verse is hard-linked to the events in Dan.11 that the "vile person" does, pointing to the Antichrist at the end of this world. We are not supposed to lose focus of what all was written in the previous Daniel chapters when studying about the 70 sevens prophecy of Dan.9. In Dan.2, we are shown there will be a 5th final beast of the feet with ten toes of part clay and iron, and that it together with all the other statue pieces will fall 'together'... when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet, and then God will setup a Kingdom that will never be destroyed. By that, He showed us a final beast kingdom of ten toes (like the ten horns of Rev.17) that MUST be manifested on earth when Jesus returns with gathering His Church and establishing His everlasting Kingdom on earth. That final beast kingdom has never manifested in history, not yet, for it is to support ALL the previous beast statue pieces that came before it (Dan.2). And that is pointing to a "one world government" system over all nations and peoples on the earth, something no man has seen on earth yet, but that can be seen in the making today. Therefore, early on in Daniel 2, our Heavenly Father gave us a quick summary of the historical beasts through the idea of the beast statue pieces, to include the 'final'... beast kingdom yet to manifest today (ten toes), revealing the prophecy of the final beast king (the Antichrist) being at the very end of this present world. Rev 13:1-2 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. KJV In those first two Revelation 13 verses, our Lord Jesus is pointing us back to the Book of Daniel involving the idea of those animal symbols as symbolic for the final beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. Rev 17:12-14 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. KJV In Revelation 17, our Lord Jesus defines some of the symbols of the beast system of ten horns and seven heads. The Rev.17:10-11 verses deal with the idea of beast kings, with verse 11 pointing to a specific beast king. Thus we have the idea of both a beast kingdom, and a beast king there in Rev.17. These ten kings of verse 13 give their power to the beast king, for that "beast" idea there is defined in verse 8: Rev 17:8 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. KJV Who is it that shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (i.e., perish in the "lake of fire")? I'll give you a hint - no flesh born man has yet to be judged and condemned to perdition in the future "lake of fire". I didn't say no flesh man will be judged into it, I said no flesh born man has been judged and sentenced yet, to this day, not even Judas Iscariot. Who does that leave then? It leaves Satan and his angels, for they already have been judged and sentenced to perdition (Matthew 25:41). This is why that above verse says those whose names not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will wonder at that beast. They will not know who he is when they see him at the very end of this world, on earth, in our earthly dimension.
  4. davy

    The church and Daniel’s 70 week prophecy

    I assume you mean the OT prophets didn't understand the prophecies they were shown by The Holy Spirit involving Christ's Church (1 Pet.1:10-12). They were shown, but they simply didn't understand because it wasn't time for the NT Church to manifest until Jesus came and died on the cross. Yet they were shown about Jesus' crucifixion (Psalms 22; Isaiah 53). So we shouldn't think the OT was silent, because it was not, the proof being the many OT Scriptures quoted within the NT to show fulfillment of Christ's Ministry and His Church. As a matter of fact, Apostle Paul quoted from the OT prophet Hosea when preaching to Roman Gentiles in Romans 9. The Hosea passage was originally given to the northern ten tribed "house of Israel" under Ephraim, yet Paul quoted it to Gentiles, which means believing Israelites and believing Gentiles together as one body: Rom 9:23-26 23 And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He saith also in Osee, 'I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God. KJV Hos 2:23 23 And I will sow her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not My people, 'Thou art My people'; and they shall say, 'Thou art my God.' KJV Thus there are many, many OT passages which point to Christ's Church, even all the way to God's Eternity. It's simply a matter of thorough Bible study in getting to recognize and know them. God's Plan for His Church under our Lord Jesus Christ is pointed to in the OT Books.
  5. Interpreting Genesis 1:2 as if the earth was not existing yet at that point is a mistake. It's because of English translator's loose translation of Hebrew tohuw va bohuw with the phrase "with form, and void". Gen 1:2 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV The "face of the deep" and "face of the waters" are existing upon... an existing earth. Those were also descriptives used for the time of Noah's flood. In these following verses, there is no creation of earth matter; it was already there underneath those waters; God had created it in the beginning at verse 1: Gen 1:6-9 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. KJV Here's another example of the Hebrew tohuw va bohuw phrase ("without form, and void"). Notice it is not... in association with a formless earth: Jer 4:22-28 22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger. God during the flood of Noah's day didn't tremble the earth to destroy those cities, as much as some like to make up stories that He did. God brought a flood of waters to destroy then, and... He preserved 8 souls through it. So is that "there was no man" an error? Did some scribe make an error with that phrase? No, and it means what God there said, there was literally no man with THIS particular destruction He did long before the time of Noah. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. KJV In Romans 8, Apostle Paul explained how God had placed the creation in bondage to corruption, and in the same hope of redemption as we have in Christ Jesus. That point is what the above 27-28 verses are about, when God did that destruction of old upon the earth at Satan's original rebellion. The idea of the heavens above being black is about storm clouds. Clouds turn dark when they are full of water. The winds rage. Most of our violent weather for this present world comes from holes in the atmosphere around the earth, the sun heating the air at ground level with it rising to meet cold air in the upper atmosphere. The result are tempests, storms. This does not show God's original perfect creation of the earth. It shows the earth in its present condition today as being in bondage to corruption.
  6. Just so others here don't misunderstand, I am not associated at all with any of those links which William posted. I won't waste the time to read the content at those links either, since I rely on the Biblical evidence written in God's Word to explain the existing fossil record evidence of an ancient destruction upon this earth which God did to end Satan's rebellion of old. However, there is a relatively new evidence discovered by a Boston University geologist, Robert Schoch. Dr. Schoch was asked to come to Cairo by a fellow researcher and interpret the weathering evidence at the Sphinx. Being a trained geologist, he immediately determined the weathering was from water erosion, not sand erosion as the Egyptologists thought. The problem is that the Sahara desert and Giza plateau have been arid for thousands of years, even before the dating of the Sphinx by the Egyptologists. The water erosion on the Sphinx base and around its enclosure suggests a time when the area had a tropical climate with a lot of rain. The water erosion proof reveals the Sphinx is much older than 2500-3000 B.C. that the Egyptologists date it. The area was a desert since around 5,000 B.C., so the date of the Sphinx must go back before 5,000 B.C., which means even prior to Egyptian history.
  7. Who is the Babylon Harlot of Revelation? Per the last verse of Revelation 17, we are told it is a "great city".
  8. Good chance then to start a new topic to Biblically discuss just who our Lord Jesus is pointing to in His Revelation as the Babylon Harlot. Think I'll start that.
  9. If all one need worry about with Trump is male chauvinism, while he supports our U.S. Constitution, Christian ideals, is not part of the Establishment, and wants to eliminate powers holding our economy back, then I will vote for him over all the other candidates. An Establishment candidate is certainly not a good candidate for U.S. President for that ilk are the ones that have gotten us in the mess we're in, from both Democratic and Republican parties. Trump is not Establishment, and that is one of main reasons why they are pulling out every trick they can to prevent him from getting elected.
  10. davy

    Immortality, consciousness and machines

    Jesus said in John 3 that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which born of the Spirit is spirit. Those who think they can preserve consciousness don't have a clue as to where it originates, since they assume it comes from flesh to be transferable to another material body.
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    The wrong empire

    This is what I propose... In Dan.2, we're shown all the metal pieces of the statue Neb saw being put together for the end, and all falling together as one when the Stone (Christ) smites it upon its feet, bringing it all down. That means all the previous empires, including up to the old Roman empire, will be together as one for the end of this world, and that is how a revived Roman empire is suggested. Yet there's a difference because the final added part, the feet of part iron and part clay, is what suggests the final controlling structure over the other pieces that represented the old empires. What political apparatus today would represent this structure of Daniel 2 which Christ will strike down when He comes? A "one world government". The "Concert of Europe" in the 19th century by the European powers is how modern Internationalism in the west began. It turned into the League of Nations concept, and then the United Nations. The ultimate goal of the United Nations per their declaration is a "one world government". This is the goal of Britain's Fabian Socialists also, it is the goal of the Communist International. It is the goal of European socialists in various internationalist groups like The Club of Rome. It is the ultimate goal of the U.S. western "establishment". All these groups are allied together towards the same goal of a "one world government". The foreign affairs American think tank the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) was established in the U.S. in the 1920's by Britain in order to 'establish' this specific goal of a "one world government" (as revealed in the Establishment's historian Carrol Quigley, professor of history at Georgetown University, in his 1960's book Tragedy And Hope). What I propose is that the old "Concert of Europe" of the 1800's began the reviving of the Roman empire for the end. The revived Roman empire the Book of Daniel suggests is to have a strong iron part, but also a weak clay part making up its feet. I feel this represents an attempt of these Internationalists at joining Eastern society with Western society into a one-world controlled government system. I don't think East and West will ever meld together as one. And thus the feet of part iron and part clay, with the heaviest parts of the statue being above the feet, showing the statue is very top heavy and ready to fall. These Internationalists represent the power structures over the most powerful nations of today. They control nation's economies, their militaries, their educational systems, and to some degree now, religious systems. In the times of the old Roman empire that would be equivalent to the power structures of ancient Rome and Constantinople.
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    What is Babylon a metaphor for?

    This requires several points in Bible study. One must first understand what Revelation reveals that the end time Babylon is in order to understand why it's not the old geographical city of Babylon. A. Revelation 18 reveals the end time Babylon represents a 'city': Rev 18:10 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. KJV The last verse of Revelation 17 reveals the "woman" of that chapter is a "great city". Upon the woman's forehead is the name Babylon per Rev.17:5. The phrase "great city" is used 10 times in the Book of Revelation, with the "great city" in Rev.11:8 pointing directly to the city of Jerusalem on earth. The very last example of "great city" in Rev.21:10 is about the new Jerusalem descending to earth from God. B. The "great city" of Revelation is always pointing to the city of Jerusalem, but at two different times and in two different conditions. For the end of this world prior to Christ's 2nd coming is one time and condition, a fallen condition like how Jerusalem fell away to false worship from God in OT times. This is why Rev.11:8 compares Jerusalem in that time of the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe to OT Sodom, and Egypt under idol worship. The historic city of Babylon is the ultimate comparison to false worship since that is where false religion began during this world, and it spread to the other nations from there. Thus the title of Babylon is also applied to Jerusalem for the end in this fallen worship state prior to Christ's return. C. That the city of Jerusalem on earth is meant in Revelation is further shown by related Scripture to its events, like 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 by Apostle Paul when speaking of a coming false one to sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God, and exalting himself over all that is worshiped, or that is called God. Paul was pointing directly to another built temple in Jerusalem for the end. Rev.11:1-2 also reveals another temple built in Jerusalem for the end, with those who worship there inside it, and its outer court is to be tread upon 42 months (the time the "dragon" of Rev.13 is given to operate) by the Gentiles. Some orthodox Jews today actually have been collecting materials to build another temple, and already have the cornerstones cut and have tried to place it upon the Temple Mount (see Land of Israel and Temple Mount Faithful movement). Their intention is to start up the old covenant worship in Jerusalem again, for that is one of the purposes they believe for becoming a nation again in 1948. They refuse Jesus and thus the New Covenant. D. Spiritually, the concept of Babylon is the opposite of God's Eden. In other words, Babylon is the devil's mimic of God's future eternal Kingdom. The culminating event in Revelation is about the event when Satan first rebelled against God in coveting God's Throne. This is what the Babylon concept associated with the "woman" represents, i.e., Satan's second attempt at the end of this world to establish a one world kingdom on earth to mimic God's future eternal Kingdom under Christ Jesus. This is why our Lord Jesus warned His elect in Matt.24:23-26 to not believe on a pseudo-Christ working great signs and miracles which the deceived will one day claim is Him. We have yet to see any such pseudo-Christ working those great signs and miracles that if possible, would even deceive Christ's elect. That's why that event is pointing to the false one of 2 Thess.2:3-4 coming in the last of days. E. When Christ comes to gather His Church on the last day of this world, that is when He will end the corruptions by Satan's children in Jerusalem.
  13. It certainly is one of my points that not all OEC entertain nor believe Darwinian evolution as fact. I made that idea plain in my initial statements, since we seem to be playing lawyer-speak here. John Calvin's commentary is irrelevant, and that especially since he contradicted himself in that quote regarding the purpose and use of water in participation of God's act of having created the heavens and the earth by speaking it into existence. Calvin's notion excludes Peter's stated idea of the earth standing in and out the water being evidence of post-creation and a view of God having already created the heavens and the earth. Peter's statement is not about a situation where only waters were existing with nothing else created yet. 2 Peter 3:5-6 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: KJV I further present the idea also that Calvin made a false conclusion in that quote of just what the scoffer was willingly ignorant of, for Peter was speaking of the scoffer being in unbelief about God having before destroyed the earth with water, while that idea in no way contradicts nor disproves the idea that the earth had already been created at Genesis 1:1, and the destruction occurred in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, with 1:2 being the actual resulting condition of that destruction with Hebrew tohuw va bohuw, which are Hebrew phrases the KJV translators took liberty to interpret opposite of their actual majority usage in the Old Testament Hebrew manuscripts. No sir, the argument you present against OEC is not about the scoffers Apostle Peter was talking about in 2 Peter 3. The way I understand the Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 agrees whole-heartedly that God brought a destruction upon the earth by water to destroy the old world at the time when Satan first rebelled against Him. To hold this idea makes it impossible to be a scoffer willingly ignorant of God's destruction of old upon this earth. Peter's statement about the scoffers is actually about those who are willingly ignorant of God's original perfect creation of the heavens and the earth at Genesis 1:1, and then the reason why the earth became in a condition of standing in and out of the water revealing a destruction by a flood of old which God did to end Satan's rebellion of old. It is this idea Peter is actually speaking of, and later in 2 Peter 3 reiterates this about the world that then was that God destroyed at Satan's rebellion when speaking of how Apostle Paul also wrote of these things which are for some, hard to understand, seeing as they wrest with other deep things in Scripture.
  14. Are those who see the fossil evidence as being very old denying that the flood of Noah's day happened as written in God's Word??? No, of course not. I'm amazed at all the very weak arguments presented here against OEC merely based on 'guilt by association' ploys. What Apostle Peter was actually showing in 2 Pet.3 was an ancient destroyed earth before the flood of Noah's day... 2 Peter 3:5-6 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: KJV One must rightly divide those phrases: "that by the word of God the heavens were of old" - God's original creation at Gen.1:1 which He spoke into existence, this is the reference point that MUST be used for this particular context of Scripture, not the time of Noah. "the earth standing out of the water and in the water" - description of Gen.1:2, and then through Gen.1:10 with the "face of the waters" upon the earth from an ancient flood, with God then moving part of those waters up to make today's sky, and then moving the waters left on the surface of the earth to make the dry land appear. "Whereby the world that then was," - referring to passages about the earth's state at Gen.1:2, which in the Hebrew the phrase "without form, and void" actually means 'a waste and an indistinguishable ruin', and is comparable to how the phrase is used in Jeremiah 4:23. Thusly 3 world ages: 1. "the world that then was" - God's original perfect creation before Satan rebelled 2. "the heavens and the earth which are now" - the re-establishing of the earth after Gen.1:2 which is today's present world, and including a second flood upon the earth where Noah and his, and the animals God preserved aboard the ark. 3. "new heavens and a new earth" - God's Eternity, after Christ's 1,000 years reign.
  15. I'm sorry William, but it's an assumption without basis that a belief in OEC must involve Darwinism and evolution theory. Where does that thinking come from? simply from the fact that it may include a theory about the earth's fossil record being very old? I didn't know that was an automatic precursor to the belief in evolution theory. Simply recognizing that the fossil record points to a very ancient earth does not involve evolution theory unless... one then inserts Darwinist theory to go along with it. Nor does any such statement that one just cannot see how OEC doesn't include a theory of evolution exist as a proof that OEC does involve evolution either. Going into Bible Scripture that points to OEC won't matter when YEC think OEC is about evolution no matter what one says. Those who believe it is have been subjected to YEC propaganda, making their minds closed.
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