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    There are important facts that point us in the Right Direction- if we aren't worshiping our Church.......

  • #2
    Originally posted by theMadJW View Post
    There are important facts that point us in the Right Direction- if we aren't worshiping our Church.......
    :confused:.............says the JW on bended knee worshiping the Watchtower leadership! Seems, at best, like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:
    Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

    "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

    "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

    "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

    "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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    • #3
      Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
      :confused:.............says the JW on bended knee worshiping the Watchtower leadership! Seems, at best, like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:
      You are exactly right St. Over the years I have read numerous Watchtower publications both old and new. The Watchtower claims that reading the Bible alone is of no help. The Bible can only be understood by means of its organization.

      "But if each of us were left to himself just because he has a copy of the Bible and were to direct his movements independently as he thought he understood the Word, what? It is likely, or possible, that there would be a great deal of confusion or working in competition among us. Hence, besides individually possessing God's Word, we need a theocratic organization. Yes, besides having God's spirit of illumination, a Christian needs Jehovah's theocratic organization in order to understand the Bible." (The Watchtower - June 15, 1951)
      "The world is full of Bibles, which Book contains the commandments of God. Why, then, do the people not know which way to go? Because they do not also have the teaching or law of the mother, which is light. Jehovah God has provided his holy written Word for all mankind and it contains all the information that is needed for men in taking a course leading to life. But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: 'Light is sown for the righteous.' (Ps. 97:11) It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother." (The Watchtower - May 1, 1957)
      "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind. (The Watchtower - Oct. 1, 1967)
      "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. (The Watchtower - July 1, 1973)
      "We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave' organization." (The Watchtower - Feb. 15, 1981)
      "We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to 'the faithful and discreet slave.' (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. (The Watchtower - Dec. 1, 1990)
      "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the 'faithful and discreet slave'." (The Watchtower - Sept. 1, 1994)
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Origen View Post
        "But if each of us were left to himself just because he has a copy of the Bible and were to direct his movements independently as he thought he understood the Word, what? It is likely, or possible, that there would be a great deal of confusion or working in competition among us. Hence, besides individually possessing God's Word, we need a theocratic organization. Yes, besides having God's spirit of illumination, a Christian needs Jehovah's theocratic organization in order to understand the Bible." (The Watchtower - June 15, 1951)

        "The world is full of Bibles, which Book contains the commandments of God. Why, then, do the people not know which way to go? Because they do not also have the teaching or law of the mother, which is light. Jehovah God has provided his holy written Word for all mankind and it contains all the information that is needed for men in taking a course leading to life. But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: 'Light is sown for the righteous.' (Ps. 97:11) It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother." (The Watchtower - May 1, 1957)

        "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind. (The Watchtower - Oct. 1, 1967)

        "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. (The Watchtower - July 1, 1973)

        "We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave' organization." (The Watchtower - Feb. 15, 1981)

        "We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to 'the faithful and discreet slave.' (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. (The Watchtower - Dec. 1, 1990)

        "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the 'greatly diversified wisdom of God' can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the 'faithful and discreet slave'." (The Watchtower - Sept. 1, 1994)
        WOW :eek:

        Of course, the Watchtower leadership can rightly claim to be God's true prophet, since all of their prophesies have always come true, right? WAIT, didn't they give us the exact date that the world/this age was going to come to an end? Actually, I believe they did, and they did so at least five different times, if memory serves :rolleyes:

        As I heard someone say here recently concerning the "truth", "the proof is in the pudding" ;)
        Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

        "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

        "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

        "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

        "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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        • #5
          Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
          Of course, the Watchtower leadership can rightly claim to be God's true prophet, since all of their prophesies have always come true, right? WAIT, didn't they give us the exact date that the world/this age was going to come to an end? Actually, I believe they did, and they did so at least five different times, if memory serves :rolleyes:

          As I heard someone say here recently concerning the "truth", "the proof is in the pudding" ;)
          They have many times that I know of from my reading. Here are some of the dates (at least the ones I know of) that the Watchtower has given over the years: 1878, 1881, 1906/1907, 1912, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1928, 1930s, 1935/1936, 1942, 1975, and 2000. After those time periods came and went the Watchtower whitewashed the errors.
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          • #6
            WOW :eek: ... that's a lot of "pudding" ;)

            Thanks Brother!
            Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

            "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

            "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

            "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

            "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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            • #7
              Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
              WOW :eek: ... that's a lot of "pudding" ;)

              Thanks Brother!
              A lot of " pudding" without anything to back it up. I'll pray for those trapped in cults like this tonight. The One True God is described rather well in the Nicene Creed:
              The Nicene Creed

              I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

              And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

              And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. The Three Ecumenical Creeds - Book of Concord. Our God is the Holy Trinity.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post

                :confused:.............says the JW on bended knee worshiping the Watchtower leadership! Seems, at best, like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say :rolleyes:
                Not to mention that at the end of the day, the JW's are polytheists. While they rave on about the how "wrong" the Trinity is, they in fact have a two-God belief system- God the Father and the created "lesser god" Jesus. That's pagan polytheism.
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                • #9
                  If you follow a certain faith and doctrine, it is not difficult to define God, however, if you do not follow any faith,"who is the real god?" will become a difficult question. The word "God" has different meaning to different people. The Muslims God is different from Christian God, similarly Hindu's God is different from Buddhist God. The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chameli View Post
                    If you follow a certain faith and doctrine, it is not difficult to define God, however, if you do not follow any faith,"who is the real god?" will become a difficult question. The word "God" has different meaning to different people. The Muslims God is different from Christian God, similarly Hindu's God is different from Buddhist God. The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.
                    So let's ask God Himself. What are God's divine attributes which define who God is? I was also not aware that Buddhist believe in a deity or Supreme (G)od, much the same way I have never encountered Hindu's failing to make a distinction between (g)ods and (G)od.

                    God bless,
                    William
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chameli View Post
                      The answer to "Who is the real God" depends on the person whom you ask this question.
                      Hardly. The answer to the question who is the real God, is the one who actually exist, the one who possesses certain divine attributes necessarily.
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                      • #12
                        Chameli, their answers may differ, but the actual answer to the question does not change. Believing different things about a God doesn't mean they become true. I might believe cats can fly, but this makes my claim no less true.
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