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  • Does the earth revolve around the sun?

    Christian "education" is an insult to the anglo-saxon who believed in what Tolkien called "middle earth."
    How can you be so arrogant towards the beliefs of your own ancestors?
    Has anyone actually seen the earth from outer space, or actually seen other planets and thought that is what it was?

    Concurrently has anyone seen an electron revolve around the nucleus? (as small things replicate big things in magnitude)

    If you have not actually seen it, why do you accept the scientific method which demands observational evidence?

    What is the basis of this education which is an insult to the folk, a "christian" insult to the anglo-saxon!

  • #2
    Originally posted by call1n View Post
    Christian "education" is an insult to the anglo-saxon who believed in what Tolkien called "middle earth."
    How can you be so arrogant towards the beliefs of your own ancestors
    I'm not really commenting yet on the sun but just looking for a little clarification as to what your terms of "Christian" education and Anglo ancestry? Not to be combative just for clarification ;)

    Do you mean schools nation wide as being "Christian" (where?) Or churches...and only Anglo-Saxon having held this belief?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by call1n View Post
      Christian "education" is an insult to the anglo-saxon who believed in what Tolkien called "middle earth."
      How can you be so arrogant towards the beliefs of your own ancestors?
      Has anyone actually seen the earth from outer space, or actually seen other planets and thought that is what it was?

      Concurrently has anyone seen an electron revolve around the nucleus? (as small things replicate big things in magnitude)

      If you have not actually seen it, why do you accept the scientific method which demands observational evidence?

      What is the basis of this education which is an insult to the folk, a "christian" insult to the anglo-saxon!
      What?

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      • #4
        Heliocentricity has been accepted for several hundred years, mostly due to Copernicus, who was part of the Catholic church, but also a sunworshipper. Most people had believed that the sun revolved around the earth each day, as it appears to us that it does.
        Copernicus, and other Heliocentrists (those who worshipped the sungod, Helios), asserted that the sun was the center and the earth revolved around it.
        At first the church resisted this belief as heretical, since it does go totally against what is stated in the Holy Bible. However, in the end, they accepted this idea, and you can actually see that the sungod Helios figures prominently in many of their Catholic displays.
        Some scientists have looked for the proof of which is actually correct, and the math apparently works both ways, for either the sun being the center, or the earth being the center.

        The Bible plainly states that the sun was not even created until the fourth day of creation; so if the earth revolves around the sun now, what was it doing beforee God created the sun and moon ?
        Also, what about the times that are mentioned in the Bible where the sun was told to stand still, or even turn around ? Is it easier to believe that God stopped the sun on its journey, or that the earth suddenly stopped its rotation and spinning though the sky (without any catastrophe to the earth), and then just started up again afterwards ?
        Since science does not have any good answers for this question, they mostly discount the whole story.
        However, there is a lot of interesting information to be found on the internet regarding geocentricity and heliocentricity, if a person cares to delve deeper into this fascinating subject.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Happyflowerlady View Post
          The Bible plainly states that the sun was not even created until the fourth day of creation; so if the earth revolves around the sun now, what was it doing beforee God created the sun and moon ?
          Here is what God did on the fourth day.
          And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
          (Genesis 1:14-19 ESV)
          The Bible says God placed lights in the sky but it doesn't say he created the bodies that produced the light at that time. It is possible that the sun, moon, and stars already existed but the earth was covered by clouds that allowed the sun's light to reach the earth but was too thick to allow the bodies of light to be seen. On the fourth day God removed this cloud cover so they could be seen.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Happyflowerlady View Post
            Heliocentricity has been accepted for several hundred years, mostly due to Copernicus, who was part of the Catholic church, but also a sunworshipper. Most people had believed that the sun revolved around the earth each day, as it appears to us that it does.
            Copernicus, and other Heliocentrists (those who worshipped the sungod, Helios), asserted that the sun was the center and the earth revolved around it.
            At first the church resisted this belief as heretical, since it does go totally against what is stated in the Holy Bible. However, in the end, they accepted this idea, and you can actually see that the sungod Helios figures prominently in many of their Catholic displays.
            Some scientists have looked for the proof of which is actually correct, and the math apparently works both ways, for either the sun being the center, or the earth being the center.

            The Bible plainly states that the sun was not even created until the fourth day of creation; so if the earth revolves around the sun now, what was it doing beforee God created the sun and moon ?
            Also, what about the times that are mentioned in the Bible where the sun was told to stand still, or even turn around ? Is it easier to believe that God stopped the sun on its journey, or that the earth suddenly stopped its rotation and spinning though the sky (without any catastrophe to the earth), and then just started up again afterwards ?
            Since science does not have any good answers for this question, they mostly discount the whole story.
            However, there is a lot of interesting information to be found on the internet regarding geocentricity and heliocentricity, if a person cares to delve deeper into this fascinating subject.
            I've looked into geocentricity a lot lately and find a lot of it to be extremely interesting and rather...biblical as well as observable if you disregard nasa cgi images of space. A lot of what you said resonates with what I've looked into. It's a topic I enjoy with those (few seemingly) who are open to it
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            • #7
              Check this Helical model out:


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              • #8
                Message deleted because no good will come from my responding to this topic.
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                • #9
                  Isn't a "Christian education" wrong because it incorrectly states that the earth revolves around the sun. What Christian insults to the anglo-saxon to go against the beliefs of your ancestors.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by call1n View Post
                    Isn't a "Christian education" wrong because it incorrectly states that the earth revolves around the sun. What Christian insults to the anglo-saxon to go against the beliefs of your ancestors.
                    OK, here goes nothing.

                    My 'ancestors' are Welsh and Norse rather than Anglo-Saxon, but my father and grandfather both believed in a sun centered solar system. I never met my great grandfathers, but I suspect they believed in a sun centered solar system as well.

                    Therefore, I have no idea what you are talking about.

                    I happen to think that the arrival of Christianity to replace the beliefs of my Druid and Norse ancestors was a very good thing, so I must respectfully disagree.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by call1n View Post
                      Does the earth revolve around the sun?
                      Yes.

                      Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

                      "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

                      "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

                      "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

                      "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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                      • #12
                        This is a really, really long video; but it does an excellent job of explaining about geocentricity, and where the earth actually is, in relation to not only the sun; but to the whole solar system, and even the universe.
                        Most of you will probably not take the time to watch this; but if you are actually interested in the topic of whether the earth revolves aroud the sun, or vice-versa, then you will find that it is time well spent to listen to and see this presentation by Dr. Philip Stott.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Happyflowerlady View Post
                          This is a really, really long video; but it does an excellent job of explaining about geocentricity, and where the earth actually is, in relation to not only the sun; but to the whole solar system, and even the universe.
                          Most of you will probably not take the time to watch this; but if you are actually interested in the topic of whether the earth revolves aroud the sun, or vice-versa, then you will find that it is time well spent to listen to and see this presentation by Dr. Philip Stott.

                          I've never actually met anyone who's also interested in and learns about geocentricity so I rarely get many opportunities to discuss it. How long have you been looking into it?
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                          • #14
                            Occum's Razor.

                            We know that many moons revolve around various plants in the solar system. We know that many planets revolve around our sun. All of these movements can be observed, most can be observed for yourself if you wished to invest the time and energy to perform the observations yourself.

                            To misappropriate a few verses and build a hopelessly complex model whose primary purpose is to glorify man by placing us at the center of an incomprehensible complex interaction that gives every appearance of being one thing, but is really something entirely different so complex that it can't be explained in less than a 2 hour video is a 'Theological Debate' that I am at a loss to even know how to begin to refute.

                            Let me offer something completely different from planetology. The Earth-Moon system is utterly unique from everything we know and speculate about how worlds form. Let's start with the accusation that ours is an 'average' sun. Rubbish. There are Suns that burn far brighter than ours, but they burn with an intensity that makes them short lived. They frequently emit bursts of radiation that would strip the atmosphere from a world and kill all life from the radiation. There are cooler stars, but the distance required to have liquid water on the surface of the world is so close that gravity would tidally lock the world, resulting in an eternal day in which hell like heat boiled away the oceans and an eternal night where the atmosphere itself started to freeze. God gave the Earth a sun that was just the perfect size. A sun within a fairly narrow window of possible Suns that could support life.

                            Now let's examine the axial tilt of the Earth and the effects of gravity perturbations on the orientation of its axis of rotation. Most worlds wobble. Their 'north pole' changes its orientation over time. Often dramatically, so that if the Earth had been constructed like a more normal planet, like Mars or Venus, our North Pole might wobble almost directly towards the sun for several thousand years before correcting itself. During this time, the various climate zones would cycle from tropical Summer's through Arctic winters over the course of a year. So what prevents this? The utterly unique construction of the Earth and its Moon. All measurements comparing Earth to other planets indicate that we have the Mantle and Core from two worlds that probably collided and formed a single world with a double sized iron core and a giant moon made almost exclusively of mantle. This oversized moon provides the gravitational gyroscope that maintains the Earth's North Pole orientation against the gravitational influences of worlds like Jupiter.

                            We do not need to invent special exceptions to the laws of motion that apply only to the Earth, nor do we need to invent complex frames of reference that turn all observational data on its head to make the Earth 'special'. Like all of his creation, the Earth is already fearfully and wonderfully made. I choose to embrace the glory of that creation, rather than strive to prove that the stars rotate around a flat Earth because of poetic license in a few verses of an epic story of the power of God to create everything.

                            I am sorry, but from a theological perspective, I would find it more credible that everything, including the Earth, rotates around God than the universe rotates around Man.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by atpollard View Post

                              I am sorry, but from a theological perspective, I would find it more credible that everything, including the Earth, rotates around God than the universe rotates around Man.
                              We are in midgard; middle earth. Midgard is stationary. We are inside the world tree.

                              This "christian" education of yours for one, is not Christian, because in the bible the earth is the center, and for two, is an insult to the ancient ancestors of the anglo-saxon.

                              So when you say that you are an Anglo-Saxon Christian, that is an oxy moron, because it is so moronic to believe that this education really reflects anglo-saxon beliefs and virtues.

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