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    Hope for America ?




    Is this a true statement?. Let me say this before I go on. I have great respect for Billy Graham. and Franklin. as everyone knows my Problem is the church and politics. The church leaders in the for front through radio and TV and adds such as this one that idea project Jesus is a politician, and that there is need for church involvement with the political system.

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    Last edited by mitchel; 08-26-2017, 08:54 AM.

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    I agree 100%, whose face in on the coin? Give unto God the things that are God's, and give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. Remember my brother the road to hell is wide and crooked and many be that follower it. Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord, will enter heaven, but those who do the will of God. This includes big time ministers, let us contain to walk in love, and this is how you will know my, by the love they have for one for another. We hear so much about faith, faith, faith, but faith works by love. Many will say in that day, I have done great things in your name, and he will say I never knew you. Isn't it ironic that Jesus said the poor man died and went to heaven while the rich man went to hell. Having a lot of money, or having things, home, cars, is not a sign of being born again. You must be born again.

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      #3
      Here is always hope, don't be like of Boromir.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Dropping View Post
        Here is always hope, don't be like of Boromir.
        Anyone that thinks that Babylon has any hope in it got out of the right boat and chose to get in the boat that sinking.
        Jesus is the only hope. Get back into His boat and don't look back. This world will melt with a fervent heat

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          #5
          I leave you in peace my brother.

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            #6
            The only hope in America is for the individual citizen. The country as a whole is beyond hope. It's only a matter of time before America is no more.

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              #7
              I have always been against Religion mixing with politics because of the strange bedfellows that a gained by such a grouping.

              I think that since God made the entire world and brought Jew and Gentile together under Christ that he has no special love for any country.

              Has anyone ever heard of a preacher called Martyn Lloyd-Jones
              Martyn Lloyd-Jones - Wikipedia

              Here is a catalog of his sermons,

              Sermons | MLJ Trust
              His sermons on on the book of Acts is very informational of what the Christian Church is about and what it's not about.
              Most of these recording happened around 1965 and that was when the countr culture was begining to wreak havoc in the US and England.. If you forgive me for putting what I believe are one and one together, I would come up with the idea that the Christian church began moving into the world of politics at that time to try and stem the tide of this new morality and in so begin to fall into the partisan world of political intrigue that we see unfolding today.

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                #8
                Any hope for America is not in politics. The modern American church is too bedeviled by politics. If there is to be any hope the church must return to proclaiming and living the gospel faithfully. Currently the church is having no real impact on society. People must be changed inwardly before they can be changed outwardly. The early church turned the world upside down by proclaiming Christ and by showing their love for one another. That is what got the worlds attention.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dutch View Post
                  Any hope for America is not in politics. The modern American church is too bedeviled by politics. If there is to be any hope the church must return to proclaiming and living the gospel faithfully. Currently the church is having no real impact on society. People must be changed inwardly before they can be changed outwardly. The early church turned the world upside down by proclaiming Christ and by showing their love for one another. That is what got the worlds attention.
                  Amen, brother Amen! The early church moved from a few dozen men to the recognized faith of a world superpower in less than two centuries.

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                    #10
                    Yes brother in a short time Christians were everywhere throughout the Roman empire. All evidence of the working of the Spirit of God. They had no television, no internet, no mass media, and in fact they had no printing press, and their impact upon their culture was profound.

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                      #11
                      Yes the early church puts us moderns to shame.They took Christ everywhere and were willing to suffer and die for their Savior (which was always a very real possibility)

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Beau Michel View Post
                        Yes the early church puts us moderns to shame.They took Christ everywhere and were willing to suffer and die for their Savior (which was always a very real possibility)
                        I sometimes wonder that if those tortures were still alive today, would we have so many denominations and would the Catholic Church have throne themselves into the excesses that they did that pushed Martin Luther to post those Theseus on that church door. Would we be unraveling into the salloon churches that allow so much that is totally unBiblical?. Would we be pulled into these prosperity churches and these mega churches or would we be strong enough through our personal syffering and to stand up to these people like Benny Henn and Joel Olstein and rid our communities of these vipers?

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                          #13
                          Not likely at all I think. Persecution has a way of separating the wheat from the chaff. Christians would have to set aside their petty differences and come together as Christians. The church I think would truly be evangelical and catholic The Joel Osteens and Benny Hinn types would not be tolerated as Simon Magus and Annanias and Sapphira were not.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Beau Michel View Post
                            Not likely at all I think. Persecution has a way of separating the wheat from the chaff. Christians would have to set aside their petty differences and come together as Christians. The church I think would truly be evangelical and catholic The Joel Osteens and Benny Hinn types would not be tolerated as Simon Magus and Annanias and Sapphira were not.
                            Agreed. I sometimes think that God's grace has given us the respite to undermine ourselves by our own desentions. I'm not saying that God did this intentional, but he may have allowed the West to remain virtually untouched by the enemies of Christianity for so long as a test for all of us.

                            Some people might say that I'm saying that God has lead us into temptation, by saying this, but I'm not. I'm saying that God might have granted us the time to make the fools of ourselves that we have in order to allow us to learn about our weaknesses in the faith and our own arogance at thinking we can fully understand anything without his guidance.

                            Seeing some of the posts I've seen on some of the Christian debate site, of which there are several,, I would submit that a fair number of people have read themselves into the Bible rather than read the Bible into them.

                            I look at the Parable of the Sower and sometimes think he was give us a heads up on how he will test us in the modern era.

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                              #15
                              Yes strife and dissension seems to describe the modern church. Persecution has a way of unifying Christians. Freedom of religion has been a mixed blessing. While we enjoy freedom of worship and belief we have not (until recently) had to face persecution and that has made us soft.Just was reading Galatians this morning and among the works of the flesh are dissensions, rivalries, divisions, and strife. Unfortunately it sounds like modern Christianity in America.Judgment begins at the house of God first. Persecution has a way of conforming us to Christ of developing a faith that works through love. It is through much suffering that we enter the kingdom of God. Prosperity tends to lead us to worship the creature rather than the creator. I think we are reaping the bitter fruit of that truth in our day and nation.

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