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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sue D. View Post



    You Do realize that VP Pense is a professing Christian. There are a bunch of people who'd rather see him in that office rather than Trump -- but -- God put Trump in that position -- so we should be willing to support him - at least pray for him as he Tries to guide this country. And that is the 2nd to the most powerful position in the world. God has a journey for each believer. And we need to be willing to follow His plan for 'us'.

    If segmants of this society would simply stop Fighting him tooth and nail -- Maybe we Could see some positive changes.

    People entering this country -- obey / follow the laws. Do it Legally. Don't abuse the food stamps provided for those who really do need them.

    This country Needs a turn-around -- so lets' be a help not part of the problem.

    There's a joke that there's no such thing as an honest used-car salesman.
    Yes I do know that its been said in the news. Other than that I don't know his walk. I think Christians have got their eyes on men more than Christ.. You say God put Trump in that seat and I disagree. I would say he allowed him to have that seat. Would you believe that God put Hitler in his seat? How much do we know about love not the world or the things of it. where do you think the world is going today. Will a president saved the world for God. No! Who is then the people are looking for and the church marches in step. We all want world peace. That's wonderful but Jesus turned that Job down when he was temptedd of Satan. Jesus was the man who could have done it yet he chose to listen only to the Father and will to be the Lamb of God. So we want world peace and a great anomy. Read Rev 18 and then you might see what the call of God is for his people and the fowl bird cage the world has become.

    No there is only one who will deceive the world to follow after him. When this man reaches his goal he turn to destroy the church..
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    • #47
      Originally posted by mitchel View Post

      I do not believe in denominationalism. The reason we have a thousand different denominations was because of the Reformation. The RCC was a corrupt political church order . Luther tried to correct them but they excommunicated him. the printing press was invented making the scriptures in several languages.. With the RCC's corruption being exposed many started to form churches of their own, each having difference interpretation. The one truth though was Salvation by fait. John Calvin led the way of the once ASOS doctrine. Now many churches with different views gave themselves names. Lutheran Baptist, Anna Baptist, Methodist and on and on it went. the Names were like walls that divided the church. this was not a move of God but of men. Truth is God never put a name to the church born at Pentecost. The RCC not Baptist not Methodist. The church was the church with no division. Denominationalism is confusion.

      I do not identify with any denomination .I once was Assemblies of God for seven years, but now I have learned of all the errors I am now just a follower off Chris.t Doctrines are beliefs that churches adopt. It is often deception in that they are doctrines that make members have a false sense of security.. Christ. Even though I am not Baptist I only identify that we are believers in Christ. My Pastor will not be there with me when my works are judged.. We must all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.. You are right that salvation is our call. but not doing so just to fill their pews and teach deceptive.ideas. is wrong. + ...

      Well I live in a recreational area with one of the nations largest man made lake. In a radius of 35 miles there are Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Word Of Faith, and Southern Baptist Churches. I have serious differences that I could not worship with, any but a baptist church, I drive 30+ miles to go to the Baptist church we love to go to, Being 100% disabled has its issues and sometimes I am not physically able to even go.

      I respect that you don't prefer to go to a denominational church. One reason I do is the Missionary out in the fields. In 1983 I went to Bolivia. The country was in a General Strike against the wicked government. There was a National shut down, no gasoline or diesel fuel or CNG, food was in short supply. The Canadian and Southern Baptist had a big supply of everything as the Missionary boards keep track of what is happening in a country and make sure their Missionaries are well prepared for such events. However many Independent Non Denominational Missionaries were in desperate need of supplies. The Canadian and Southern Baptist Missionaries made sure those in desperate need had what they needed, at no cost to them. Canadian and Southern Baptist Missionaries are open to working together. Those Non denominational Missionaries are very determined to work alone and avoid contact with with the Canadian and Southern Baptist Missionaries. I saw this first hand. I believe greater support comes to the Missionaries when they are supported by a Dnationenomination, rather than a small number of people from a few churches back home. I have seen people back down from supporting a Missionary they promised to support, especially when a supporter lost a job, got sick, or just forgot to send in their monthly support, or just no longer wanted to support that Missionary. Some Non Denomination Missionaries have had to go home when their support dropped below what a country allowed for then to be in their country. That is the basic reason I believe in being in a Denominational Church. I am sure you have very solid reasons to be as you are and I respect that.


      Justme
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      • #48
        Originally posted by thisnthat View Post
        I was recently told that Trump stated he had been saved. If anyone has a source for this, I'd appreciate it.

        If true, do you think it will make a difference in how he manages his new job? I still fear that his hands will be tied in many areas. I don't think a president can do all the things s/he wants to do or we want them to do, at least not within Constitutional parameters. I hope he does his best to do away with many executive orders and doesn't rely on them himself. We need to get back to following the Constitution.

        Speaking of which, do you think the Constitution was divinely inspired?
        He claims to be a follower of God and I heard him say he prays to God before every big decision due to the importance of his responsibilities. I agree that we need to get back to following the Constitution, which, in my personal opinion, may have been divinely inspired.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by justme View Post


          Well I live in a recreational area with one of the nations largest man made lake. In a radius of 35 miles there are Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Word Of Faith, and Southern Baptist Churches. I have serious differences that I could not worship with, any but a baptist church, I drive 30+ miles to go to the Baptist church we love to go to, Being 100% disabled has its issues and sometimes I am not physically able to even go.

          I respect that you don't prefer to go to a denominational church. One reason I do is the Missionary out in the fields. In 1983 I went to Bolivia. The country was in a General Strike against the wicked government. There was a National shut down, no gasoline or diesel fuel or CNG, food was in short supply. The Canadian and Southern Baptist had a big supply of everything as the Missionary boards keep track of what is happening in a country and make sure their Missionaries are well prepared for such events. However many Independent Non Denominational Missionaries were in desperate need of supplies. The Canadian and Southern Baptist Missionaries made sure those in desperate need had what they needed, at no cost to them. Canadian and Southern Baptist Missionaries are open to working together. Those Non denominational Missionaries are very determined to work alone and avoid contact with with the Canadian and Southern Baptist Missionaries. I saw this first hand. I believe greater support comes to the Missionaries when they are supported by a Dnationenomination, rather than a small number of people from a few churches back home. I have seen people back down from supporting a Missionary they promised to support, especially when a supporter lost a job, got sick, or just forgot to send in their monthly support, or just no longer wanted to support that Missionary. Some Non Denomination Missionaries have had to go home when their support dropped below what a country allowed for then to be in their country. That is the basic reason I believe in being in a Denominational Church. I am sure you have very solid reasons to be as you are and I respect that.


          Justme
          Thank you Justime. Hears where the problem starts. Names and beliefs that are peculiar to their denomination. These things are as walls that divide the church. It is wonderful many are able to support missionaries with plenty provision, but that support comes with beliefs peculiar to their denom. This is confusion. Their was no confusion for the early church because they were all one without names and divisions.So what we have to day is conditional support that comes at a price
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          • #50
            mitchel -- I sincerely hope you're not comparing Trump with Hitler.

            You mentioned Rev. 18 -- Babylon -- I just 'Googled' it -- the two most difficult passages to understand / interpret are Ch 17 and 18.

            Jesus Christ is supposed to be the head of The church. People often call the RCC 'the Church'.

            The Universal church is the body of believers in the entire world. The universal church is made up of the individual local churches -- groups of local believers who get together to read / learn from God's Word / worship God / build each other up in the faith.

            And, yes, 'we' are getting further and further Away from God's Word.


            Doctrines are beliefs that God's Word teaches.

            Missions -- I've grown up in churches that support missionaries. My sister and brother-in-law were missionaries in Brazil for 40 yrs. Terry felt led to Brazil to start churches. He went to Bible college / seminary -- applied to and was accepted by a mission board. Was required as most missionaries are -- to spend time on deputation -- sending letters / emailing these days / various churches to come to present the field he has been called to -- present his 'missionary interest'. The church then votes as to whether or not to offer him monthly support. Many churches and people are involved in that process. And a certain percentage has to be reached for a missionary / family to be allowed to go to the particular field / country. Some countries now require people to be in their country in a helping manner, teaching, agricultural needs, etc. Mission work is done along with their secular job. If any area gets too dangerous, the missionaries are told to leave / called home or sent to another area close by that Is safe. The goal of missions is to reach people with salvation / form groups Of believers / spiritual growth. New believers reaching out to their neighbors, etc.

            Missionaries don't generally have plenty of Anything. They live on the same economic level as the people they are there to reach with the Gospel.

            And, yes, there are various denominations with their own mission boards -- part of life.

            There Were divisions within those churches -- the church of Corinth // 1 and 2 Corinthians.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by mitchel View Post
              You say God put Trump in that seat and I disagree. I would say he allowed him to have that seat. Would you believe that God put Hitler in his seat?
              Romans 13:1 says, "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."

              Does Trump have authority? He was given that authority by God. Did Hitler have authority? He was given that authority by God. God sometimes allows evil men to rule but he does so because he intends to use them to carry out his plans.

              Originally posted by mitchel View Post
              That's wonderful but Jesus turned that Job down when he was temptedd of Satan.
              Jesus didn't turn the job down. He simply refused to accept it on Satan's terms. When he returns it will be to rule the world. He will have everything that Satan offered him but he will acquire it without submitting to Satan.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Sue D. View Post
                mitchel -- I sincerely hope you're not comparing Trump with Hitler.

                You mentioned Rev. 18 -- Babylon -- I just 'Googled' it -- the two most difficult passages to understand / interpret are Ch 17 and 18.

                Jesus Christ is supposed to be the head of The church. People often call the RCC 'the Church'.

                The Universal church is the body of believers in the entire world. The universal church is made up of the individual local churches -- groups of local believers who get together to read / learn from God's Word / worship God / build each other up in the faith.

                And, yes, 'we' are getting further and further Away from God's Word.


                Doctrines are beliefs that God's Word teaches.


                Missions -- I've grown up in churches that support missionaries. My sister and brother-in-law were missionaries in Brazil for 40 yrs. Terry felt led to Brazil to start churches. He went to Bible college / seminary -- applied to and was accepted by a mission board. Was required as most missionaries are -- to spend time on deputation -- sending letters / emailing these days / various churches to come to present the field he has been called to -- present his 'missionary interest'. The church then votes as to whether or not to offer him monthly support. Many churches and people are involved in that process. And a certain percentage has to be reached for a missionary / family to be allowed to go to the particular field / country. Some countries now require people to be in their country in a helping manner, teaching, agricultural needs, etc. Mission work is done along with their secular job. If any area gets too dangerous, the missionaries are told to leave / called home or sent to another area close by that Is safe. The goal of missions is to reach people with salvation / form groups Of believers / spiritual growth. New believers reaching out to their neighbors, etc.

                Missionaries don't generally have plenty of Anything. They live on the same economic level as the people they are there to reach with the Gospel.About universal church you are right The problem comes when they break up and name themseelve Baptist Methodis etc.

                When I was younger I went on a mission trip country close to Panama with a Methodidt group. It was not a long haul trip but we did meet many Indians and the humble living conditions. We built two small church buildings for them. The people wer poor but very gracious. I am sad that I did not do more mission trips. We were not trying to make them Methodist but to share Christ's love


                And, yes, there are various denominations with their own mission boards -- part of life.

                There Were divisions within those churches -- the church of Corinth // 1 and 2 Corinthians.
                This could become a lengthy discussion. we may have to break it up.


                No I was not comparing just making a point.

                Rev 17 and 18 are not hard for me. Of course lot depends on how much trouble it is for you. God gives truth to those who want it. There will always be those who buck everything.. The RCC is not true Christianity. I know some history. These religious people loved titles and positions. They are a religious political order. Carnal that makes a big show of themselves. They love grand robes. They are only copies of what Jesus saw in the Pharisees.

                I refer to Rev 18 a lot so I will be sure to address that.

                About doctrines being Gods word that depends what doctrines you refer to.. Jesus warned of false teachers that would fool the elect. If you want discuss Dotrines true or false we would have to start another thread.

                If I have missed any points of discussion let me know and I will stay with you.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                  This could become a lengthy discussion. we may have to break it up.


                  No I was not comparing just making a point.

                  Rev 17 and 18 are not hard for me. Of course lot depends on how much trouble it is for you. God gives truth to those who want it. There will always be those who buck everything.. The RCC is not true Christianity. I know some history. These religious people loved titles and positions. They are a religious political order. Carnal that makes a big show of themselves. They love grand robes. They are only copies of what Jesus saw in the Pharisees.

                  I refer to Rev 18 a lot so I will be sure to address that.

                  About doctrines being Gods word that depends what doctrines you refer to.. Jesus warned of false teachers that would fool the elect. If you want discuss Dotrines true or false we would have to start another thread.

                  If I have missed any points of discussion let me know and I will stay with you.
                  Rev 17 starts out with One of the seven angels with the vials of Gods judgment upon the great whore. So she is not just any whore but one that is depised og God. God called the children of Israel harlots because they would no stop getting caught up with the heathen idolatry of their neighbors. They were sleeping on both sides of the fense. The Great whore is even worse because she involvesd the New Testament church the political power of the world.. This apostasy came after Constantine embraced the Christian faith as to be the church of the Land. Was this a good thing? Yes for RC' bishops of Rome but no for the Church that Christ founded. Just to make short The Bishops of Rome being flatered of the Emperor thought that they should have moe power and recognition since they were of the Roman church. 325 AD I need to review the dates so I wll have to post what I have, but I will be back.with the Dark ages.
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                  • #54
                    mitchel -- tell you what -- let's just leave the discussion about Trump and his professing Christ or not. He's our President -- voted in the by people. We can be praying for Godly wisdom for him and for the cabinet members, etc.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                      Thank you Justime. Hears where the problem starts. Names and beliefs that are peculiar to their denomination. These things are as walls that divide the church. It is wonderful many are able to support missionaries with plenty provision, but that support comes with beliefs peculiar to their denom. This is confusion. Their was no confusion for the early church because they were all one without names and divisions.So what we have to day is conditional support that comes at a price
                      Mitchel> Well we each do what we believe is best for what we see is true Worship and Ministry. I would never try to get you to change, God bless.


                      justme
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                        Thank you Justime. Hears where the problem starts. Names and beliefs that are peculiar to their denomination. These things are as walls that divide the church. It is wonderful many are able to support missionaries with plenty provision, but that support comes with beliefs peculiar to their denom. This is confusion. Their was no confusion for the early church because they were all one without names and divisions.So what we have to day is conditional support that comes at a price
                        Mitchel. I am glad we each Worship where we feel God wants us to be.


                        Justme
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by justme View Post

                          Mitchel. I am glad we each Worship where we feel God wants us to be.


                          Justme
                          Where do you feel God wants you to be?
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                            Where do you feel God wants you to be?
                            Let me put your question is a different form ok? What does God want me to be? answer..! Prepared for His return 2 be a faithful Follower, 3. Involved in a Body of believers who Follow the Lord in Worship, Bible study, and Fellowship, My wife and I are Followers first and above all, we worship with a body of Fellow Followers of jesus Christ. As a Body of believers we belong to our local association of fellow Southern Baptist. Churches. Our Church also supports our state Cooperative Group of Southern Baptist Churches of Missouri. We also support the National Cooperative Program Southern Baptist Churches. Each group is strictly by each church choice to belong to all, or neither, or any combination they so choose.to belong to. The saying that Southern Baptist churches are connected by a rope of sand is very true. NO one tells a church what to do, but a church that does not agree with the statement of faith in the "Baptist Faith and Message" or do something that goes against it they can be asked to leave or be removed.

                            Did i answer your questions? i enjoy giving answers, I hope this gives you a little more to know about me. Blessings.


                            justme
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by justme View Post

                              Let me put your question is a different form ok? What does God want me to be? answer..! Prepared for His return 2 be a faithful Follower, 3. Involved in a Body of believers who Follow the Lord in Worship, Bible study, and Fellowship, My wife and I are Followers first and above all, we worship with a body of Fellow Followers of jesus Christ. As a Body of believers we belong to our local association of fellow Southern Baptist. Churches. Our Church also supports our state Cooperative Group of Southern Baptist Churches of Missouri. We also support the National Cooperative Program Southern Baptist Churches. Each group is strictly by each church choice to belong to all, or neither, or any combination they so choose.to belong to. The saying that Southern Baptist churches are connected by a rope of sand is very true. NO one tells a church what to do, but a church that does not agree with the statement of faith in the "Baptist Faith and Message" or do something that goes against it they can be asked to leave or be removed.

                              Did i answer your questions? i enjoy giving answers, I hope this gives you a little more to know about me. Blessings.


                              justme
                              Yes it does and the Baptist I know are wonderful people. We worship with Baptist near our home. Still that will not make a Baptist or accept certain doctrines.
                              For me the church is the church. Some are a little off but still wonderful people. Churches of the established church want you to believe as they believe. Will I be thrown out or asked to leave. I do not make a big noise to deter any others to question. How ever I find the the bigger the church gets the more worldly they become. I also invite conversation. God bless
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