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    #16
    I'd heard that during part of the campaigning that Trump met with several Christian leaders and prayed with them. Or they met with him and prayed with him. And he seemed to mellow some. He is very much God bless America and is far more Christian-sounding than the former Pres. I think he is a believer. But there are some things a President Can't say / do. I feel that he's doing the best he can under the circumstances.

    The question has been asked as to whether the Constitution is inspired. Men felt 'inspired' to write it -- but it's not inspired as the Bible is.
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      #17
      Only God knows president soul. I pray he seeks Gods will and he continues to have people pray over him as was done tis week again. Mr. Trump is doing that right. However Mr. Obama had the Muslim Brotherhood meet with him regularly and that was a wicked thing he did as well as MANY other things.

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        #18
        Originally posted by efrainsilva1 View Post
        I have heard that Donald Trump has, in fact, professed to know Christ publicly---and more than once! I am not one to judge, but from the opinions of strong like-minded believers of positive sound mind and spirit, it seems that his claim to Christ has been confirmed by a multitude of witnesses. This is always a good sign. Some such believers include Billy Graham's family.....
        Any one can say they are a Christian. Only God can know a man.I may get some flake about what I am going to say.yet I say what is in my spirit . In this country we have a lot of freedoms. America is a capitalists country. It is a wealthy country which much ambition comes. What really motivates one to be president and sit in the most powerful seat in the world. The question is can one who claims to Christian sit in that seat.? Should a Christian even try to reach that seat. I tell you the word Christian has become a very loose word that can mean almost anything religious, and does not represent what it first stood fo.Today I would not call myself Christian because you would have no idea what I thought a Christian was. I cant get into all of this because I do not like long posts. But I want to talk about them .

        So should Christian or so called Christian look to politics. What motivates that?. So we can keep living the good life? Can a believer sit in that office and uphold the laws of the land that fly in the face of God. Here is something that saddens me because I always had great respect for Billy Graham. In June last year SCOTUS made gay marriage legal in all states. Franklin Graham was appalled Still he went to Washington g to pray at Trumps inaugural . Everyone says God bless America. How in God's name can a spirit filled believer say God bless America. What we call Christian is be minimized daily. Respect For God. There is no respect for God yet believers still look to Babylon for president to uphold Christian ethics. Rev 18 says for Gods people to come out of her .
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          #19
          The quote feature isn't working at the moment -- so -- referring to #18 -- A Christian = a Christ follower. Our V.P. is a believer -- he's said so and has no problem saying he is. We CAN ask God to Please Bless America. In our small town -- we Do have a Christian man who ran for Mayor and won. And he's doing a good job. We Do need to Pray for our President and his cabinet / V.P. Pence.
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            #20
            Originally posted by Sue D. View Post
            The quote feature isn't working at the moment -- so -- referring to #18 -- A Christian = a Christ follower. Our V.P. is a believer -- he's said so and has no problem saying he is. We CAN ask God to Please Bless America. In our small town -- we Do have a Christian man who ran for Mayor and won. And he's doing a good job. We Do need to Pray for our President and his cabinet / V.P. Pence.
            How do you ask God to bless America. America is not a Christian nation.. it is a nantion that honors many different faiths and Those who believers in Christ is just one of them. does that make all other faiths that do not accept Christ as savior and Lord of all a reason for God the Father to bless this nation? God blesses His church not nations or other faths.
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              #21
              Originally posted by Sue D. View Post
              I'd heard that during part of the campaigning that Trump met with several Christian leaders and prayed with them. Or they met with him and prayed with him. And he seemed to mellow some. He is very much God bless America and is far more Christian-sounding than the former Pres. I think he is a believer. But there are some things a President Can't say / do. I feel that he's doing the best he can under the circumstances.

              The question has been asked as to whether the Constitution is inspired. Men felt 'inspired' to write it -- but it's not inspired as the Bible is.
              There were two things that bothered me about Trump before the election. 1) He never asks God for forgiveness. 2) The church he claimed to be a member of (Presbyterian) has no record of his membership but only his parents.

              As far as others leading Trump to Christ. Man, wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard that. I mean there was that gal Paula White... and there were those guys Dobson, Graham, and Falwell. You get the picture :)

              I have to admit, though I still would choose others before Trump. Trump has won my support. At least with Trump I can say he is a friendly and I do not question on which side he stands (Obama). The people surrounding Trump are probably the most Christian Administration in my life time.

              God bless,
              William
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                #22
                Originally posted by William View Post

                There were two things that bothered me about Trump before the election. 1) He never asks God for forgiveness. 2) The church he claimed to be a member of (Presbyterian) has no record of his membership but only his parents.

                As far as others leading Trump to Christ. Man, wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard that. I mean there was that gal Paula White... and there were those guys Dobson, Graham, and Falwell. You get the picture :)

                I have to admit, though I still would choose others before Trump. Trump has won my support. At least with Trump I can say he is a friendly and I do not question on which side he stands (Obama). The people surrounding Trump are probably the most Christian Administration in my life time.

                God bless,
                William
                Trump was never my favorite -- but since he surprised everyone by getting the nomination -- he Did get voted into office of President. And, yes, this IS the most Christian Admin. in my life time. He Did seem to change his tune a bit at one point. He's not a politician by nature and is a successful businessman. It Did concern me that he had the finances to 'buy' the Pres. --no special interest groups to appease because of their contributions.

                No one really knows What to make of him. I'm glad that God IS in control. We have more and more opportunities to 'put our faith' in God.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                  How do you ask God to bless America. America is not a Christian nation.. it is a nantion that honors many different faiths and Those who believers in Christ is just one of them. does that make all other faiths that do not accept Christ as savior and Lord of all a reason for God the Father to bless this nation? God blesses His church not nations or other faths.
                  Just curious. Do you have children? Do you have any invested interest in America's future? If so, are all your children believers? Do you dare pray or hesitate before a meal asking God for his blessing upon not only the meal but also for the people in your familial fellowship (believers and unbelievers)?

                  It is my prayers and like most other Christians that regeneration occurs within our nation. I pray that God not only regenerates others, but that he hears the cries of his people (abortion). We are not called out of the world, but to make a difference in the world. I do not see how you can stand there suggesting that politics is no place for a Christian, if anything politics needs Christians.

                  Look at the example you gave, you said SCOTUS declared law on behalf of the LGBT. We're now in position to protect our religious freedoms and even overturn Roe vs Wade. Do you not feel compelled at all to pray for us as a nation? - Titus 3:5

                  God bless,
                  William
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                    Any one can say they are a Christian. Only God can know a man.I may get some flake about what I am going to say.yet I say what is in my spirit . In this country we have a lot of freedoms. America is a capitalists country. It is a wealthy country which much ambition comes. What really motivates one to be president and sit in the most powerful seat in the world. The question is can one who claims to Christian sit in that seat.? Should a Christian even try to reach that seat. I tell you the word Christian has become a very loose word that can mean almost anything religious, and does not represent what it first stood fo.Today I would not call myself Christian because you would have no idea what I thought a Christian was. I cant get into all of this because I do not like long posts. But I want to talk about them .

                    So should Christian or so called Christian look to politics. What motivates that?. So we can keep living the good life? Can a believer sit in that office and uphold the laws of the land that fly in the face of God. Here is something that saddens me because I always had great respect for Billy Graham. In June last year SCOTUS made gay marriage legal in all states. Franklin Graham was appalled Still he went to Washington g to pray at Trumps inaugural . Everyone says God bless America. How in God's name can a spirit filled believer say God bless America. What we call Christian is be minimized daily. Respect For God. There is no respect for God yet believers still look to Babylon for president to uphold Christian ethics. Rev 18 says for Gods people to come out of her .
                    I think you confuse God's blessings with God condoning evil.

                    God bless,
                    William
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by William View Post

                      I think you confuse God's blessings with God condoning evil.

                      God bless,
                      William
                      God is not the author of evil, but men are full of it




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                        #26
                        Mitchel,Thank you for explaining your feelings of the President, politics for Christians. I fully understand where you are coming from. One of my concerns at the ingratiation of President Trump was Mrs. Paula White. Mrs. White was involved with Mr. Benny Hinn. Mrs. White and Mr. Hinn were caught staying at a hotel together. Mr. Hinn was either in the process of or divorced from his wife at the time. Only the tow of them know if their saty was a prayer meeting or something else. But no matter the reason for being there together it was totally inappropriate and brought shame to themselves and Christ. I highly question their Christian ethics, and their true standing in Christ.

                        For president Trump to consider Mrs. White to be a "spiritual adviser" brings a huge red flag up for me. I agree with William on what he said about how Mr. Trump did not think he needed forgiveness, and his membership in and recorded denomination or non denomination church. All these things bring me great concern as to him being a genuine Follower of Christ Jesus. I am not judging him, but observing his open testimony. For one thing to become a Follower of Jesus Christ the very first step is to acknowledge we all are sinners, and must acknowledge that Jesus Christ shed His Blood on the Cross to pay for our sins. That Jesus Christ died and Rose on the third day as proof He was Gods Only Son and had the power of life and death.

                        By President trumps on admission that he had not asked for forgiveness of his sins, seems to indicate to me that someone failed to accurately show Mr. Trump the way of Salvation from Scripture, or never explained what becoming a genuine Follower of Christ Jesus involves. This is a tragic error in Mr. Trumps believing he is a Christian. This worries and concerns me GREATLT!!!!

                        Besides the above there is good news. Mr. Trump is surronded by genuine believers, one being his Vice president Mike P. Beside all this Mr. Trump is going to a weekly Bible Study conducted by conservation genuine Followers of jesus christ, so Mr. Trump is being exposed to Scripture and fellowship with Followers of Christ. This is very good IMO.

                        Now about Christians being involved in politics or even as president. There is no Scripture that states Christians should not do so. As in any occupation we as Workers, Doctors, Ministers, Teachers, Cooks or servers, as Christians are called to consider whatever we do as being called to do that work. Even retired, disabled, home makers, whatever we do we do it all as for Jesus Christ. Our Vice president has openly confessed he is a Follower of Jesus Christ and IMO this is wonderful. Unless true Followers of Jesus Christ are involved in politics the wicked evil people have a huge influenza in our daily lives. Look as an example at ex-President Mr. Obama. He did more wicked evil than any president in my memory, and I can remember back to President Truman. Under mr. Obama same sex marriage was made legal, Homosexuals were allowed to live openly in the Military, and Transsexuals were permit ed to have sex change therapy start and sexual reassignment surgery take place all being paid for the US tax payers. Mr. Obama even had the White house display the LGBT colors be displayed at night on the White House. This was an open demonstration of his personal approval of the wickedness Scripture clearly says is in Romans 1 is totally against Gods Laws. So Mitchel Ask your self what kind of person do you want in politics, a man like Mr. Trump and his Vice president who have clearly and openly supported Christ and great judgement and outstanding ethics? Or a President with views that go completely against Scriptural teachings like the evil and wickedness Mr. Obama represented?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by mitchel View Post

                          How do you ask God to bless America. America is not a Christian nation.. it is a nantion that honors many different faiths and Those who believers in Christ is just one of them. does that make all other faiths that do not accept Christ as savior and Lord of all a reason for God the Father to bless this nation? God blesses His church not nations or other faths.
                          At our church we have a meal after church once a month. Visitors are asked to stay for the meal and I am sure not all the people there are saved, but we still ask the Lor in prayer to bless the food. From the very first those who first gathered to start our nation prayed and asked God to bless their efforts. Every time Congress gathers they open in prayer. Should that have never started in the first place? Should we no longer open Congress in Prayer? May I suggest Scripture give us wisdom in making these choices.



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                            #28
                            Originally posted by William View Post

                            Just curious. Do you have children? Do you have any invested interest in America's future? If so, are all your children believers? Do you dare pray or hesitate before a meal asking God for his blessing upon not only the meal but also for the people in your familial fellowship (believers and unbelievers)?

                            It is my prayers and like most other Christians that regeneration occurs within our nation. I pray that God not only regenerates others, but that he hears the cries of his people (abortion). We are not called out of the world, but to make a difference in the world. I do not see how you can stand there suggesting that politics is no place for a Christian, if anything politics needs Christians.

                            Look at the example you gave, you said SCOTUS declared law on behalf of the LGBT. We're now in position to protect our religious freedoms and even overturn Roe vs Wade. Do you not feel compelled at all to pray for us as a nation? - Titus 3:5

                            God bless,
                            William
                            I want to post to Justin also. Yes I have a wonderful daughter and yes she is saved and attends church regular. I cant thank God enough knowing the she could have fallen to if I had not come to Christ when I did. No we are not afraid to say grace

                            yes we are to be lights that lead others out of darkness. Are you suggestion the Lord would have us turn to politicians to save our country.? Is salvation a political thing to make us a better nation. or is salvation through true regeneration of the person.

                            You are going to have to explain to me about your comment that our religious freedom because of LGBT Where are you coming from? Maybe I'm misunderstand you. I pray that I am..
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                              #29

                              Originally posted by mitchel View Post
                              Are you suggestion the Lord would have us turn to politicians to save our country.?
                              Never said any such thing, but it seems that you reject the means by which God uses. God uses "us" in the great commission. People in all areas of life including the political can reach out to others. Christians can use politics to express the "right" thing to do and offer rational discourse for ideas. Ideas which are formulated from Scripture. In my bible study there are currently people that sit on the local city council. We never know to what point they may advance in the future. Is it not important for them to understand Scripture, and does it not have a place in their lives and work as a politician?

                              Originally posted by mitchel View Post
                              You are going to have to explain to me about your comment that our religious freedom because of LGBT Where are you coming from?
                              They are at odds. Both cannot coexists. Either Christians have a right to express and practice their faith or they don't.

                              These are questions being brought up to SCOTUS. If a Christian owns a business do they have a right to deny service when it is a direct conflict? In other words, do Christian photographers have to provide service to LGBT weddings? Do churches have to marry same sex couples? Do they have to provide abortions through medical insurance for their employees? etc etc

                              God bless,
                              William
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by William View Post


                                Never said any such thing, but it seems that you reject the means by which God uses. God uses "us" in the great commission. People in all areas of life including the political can reach out to others. Christians can use politics to express the "right" thing to do and offer rational discourse for ideas. Ideas which are formulated from Scripture. In my bible study there are currently people that sit on the local city council. We never know to what point they may advance in the future. Is it not important for them to understand Scripture, and does it not have a place in their lives and work as a politician?



                                They are at odds. Both cannot coexists. Either Christians have a right to express and practice their faith or they don't.

                                These are questions being brought up to SCOTUS. If a Christian owns a business do they have a right to deny service when it is a direct conflict? In other words, do Christian photographers have to provide service to LGBT weddings? Do they have to provide abortions through medical insurance for their employees? etc etc

                                God bless,
                                William
                                If a Christian owned flower shop is asked to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding, chances are that the couple already knows the reputation of the flower shop -- the owners Can nicely refer them to another flower shop or they can go ahead and fill the order. There's no reason for a same-sex couple to give people trouble because they hold a Biblical standard to marriage.

                                It seems that those with different standards are wanting people With standards to compromise Rather than respect the standards of the businesses.
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