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Is Trump the evangelicals’ new drug for political power?

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  • Is Trump the evangelicals’ new drug for political power?

    Is Trump the evangelicals’ new hope to regain political power? – TSS

  • #2
    Very thought provoking article, I don't feel that Trump necessarily represents evangelical's interests as much as someone like Cruz but Trump is a lot better than Hillary with regards to that although honestly anyone would be.
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    • #3
      Evangelicals who support Trump for anything other than his policies are backing the wrong horse but I must agree that he is a better choice than Hillary. However as a politician he'll do whatever will make him more popular and as America is already secular . . . he'll be leading the nation right into the abyss.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Smithee View Post
        Evangelicals who support Trump for anything other than his policies are backing the wrong horse but I must agree that he is a better choice than Hillary. However as a politician he'll do whatever will make him more popular and as America is already secular . . . he'll be leading the nation right into the abyss.
        Better to be a populist for the people than a Wall Street corporate puppet in my opinion, Hillary still hasn't released the speeches she made to those investment banks.
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        • #5
          To everyone here that is voting for Trump, why? What makes him qualified to run our country? He has no previous political experience and if you listen his speeches they have no bearing on foreign polices. By his admission, he sells emotions and runs off of peoples fears and deepest thoughts that you would normally be afraid to speak out.

          Hillary might not be savior of the best candidate, but she is more qualified then that village idiot.

          Everyone is talking about emails that the feds have decided not to prosecute on, and the speech she had with investors, but Trump has not released his tax information for review. Why is that? He must be hiding something?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by joshuap View Post
            To everyone here that is voting for Trump, why? What makes him qualified to run our country? He has no previous political experience and if you listen his speeches they have no bearing on foreign polices. By his admission, he sells emotions and runs off of peoples fears and deepest thoughts that you would normally be afraid to speak out.

            Hillary might not be savior of the best candidate, but she is more qualified then that village idiot.

            Everyone is talking about emails that the feds have decided not to prosecute on, and the speech she had with investors, but Trump has not released his tax information for review. Why is that? He must be hiding something?
            I'm not impressed by Trump, but I don't think resorting to name calling is a very good way to make a point or support an opinion. You haven't cited any specific foreign or domestic policy items that you would dispute with him. Also, experience as a politician doesn't have anything to do with an ability to lead and isn't necessarily a good thing. If you could articulate an argument against Trump based on facts instead of name-calling and emotional response you would be doing those that don't support him more of a service.
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            • #7
              Religion and Christian faith should not be part of the political debate as far as I'am concerned. I believe in the separation of Church and State, but the evangelical voting block is a huge part of every election season. I will not necessarily say that Trump is the new drug, but he has struck a cord in America. Not since Ronald Reagan has a Presidential candidate came out of nowhere to do what he is doing today. The endorsement of Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. is a huge advantage for Donald Trump. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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              • #8
                Trump has a very secular presence. He certainly doesn't portray a very Christian image. It isn't an image that Evangelical Christians should attach to at least. It may not be about image though. It may be about what Trump is willing to do. Getting backing by Evangelical lobbyist groups for governing in ways they agree with or by making exceptions for them in certain areas does not seem right to me. The church should be separate from the state and openly backing a clearly secular individual does not seem right.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nytegeek View Post
                  Getting backing by Evangelical lobbyist groups for governing in ways they agree with or by making exceptions for them in certain areas does not seem right to me.
                  You may find this an interesting article: Supreme Court Justice Scalia: Constitution says government can favor religion | Religion News Service

                  Believe me, though I am not a Trump backer at this moment, I'm looking for reasons to back him. Under Obama, Christianity has been oppressed for two terms, and Clinton would be another term. While I do not consider Trump a Christian (at least I haven't seen any real evidence of that) I might consider him an ally. Time will tell.

                  God bless,
                  William
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by William View Post

                    You may find this an interesting article: Supreme Court Justice Scalia: Constitution says government can favor religion | Religion News Service

                    Believe me, though I am not a Trump backer at this moment, I'm looking for reasons to back him. Under Obama, Christianity has been oppressed for two terms, and Clinton would be another term. While I do not consider Trump a Christian (at least I haven't seen any real evidence of that) I might consider him an ally. Time will tell.

                    God bless,government
                    William
                    I am not a conservative in many manners. That said, I can see the logic in Scalia's stance on religion and government. It is very clear by what is printed on our money and many other traditions and rituals where government is involved that a true separation of church and state was not meant to be a separation of religion and state. Our founding fathers didn't want government dictating the ways of one particular denomination, they wanted people to be free to choose. It was about allowing religious freedom , not about stripping religion from government. Anyhow, thank you for sharing the article. It was interesting.
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                    • #11
                      Fundamentally a Christian should look to biblical principals, ethics, and morals when choosing a leader, and see of the choices that are available who matches up the best. Hillary does not fit any of that. Trump is a salesman who knows how to run a business, and sell his product (in this case it is himself and he is doing a very good job thusfar). I am not completely sure where Gary Johnson falls in all of this.

                      Quite honestly if any of these candidates claim to be Christian most, if not all, of them have fruit that completely contradicts that claim. Sure, they may say they attend a certain church, and whether or not they are a Christian is ultimately between them and God, but we as Christians should be discerning enough to be able to look at their fruit and not trust what they say.

                      As Christians we should always start with looking for a biblical example of a leader and work from there. At this point I think it is pretty much between Johnson and Trump, with Johnson taking the lead (even though he has come out in favor of abortion).
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Knotical View Post
                        Fundamentally a Christian should look to biblical principals, ethics, and morals when choosing a leader, and see of the choices that are available who matches up the best. Hillary does not fit any of that. Trump is a salesman who knows how to run a business, and sell his product (in this case it is himself and he is doing a very good job thusfar). I am not completely sure where Gary Johnson falls in all of this.

                        Quite honestly if any of these candidates claim to be Christian most, if not all, of them have fruit that completely contradicts that claim. Sure, they may say they attend a certain church, and whether or not they are a Christian is ultimately between them and God, but we as Christians should be discerning enough to be able to look at their fruit and not trust what they say.

                        As Christians we should always start with looking for a biblical example of a leader and work from there. At this point I think it is pretty much between Johnson and Trump, with Johnson taking the lead (even though he has come out in favor of abortion).
                        Like your post, but I can't come to your conclusion. Pro Abortion, no vote. With Trump, I believe he has indicated he is hiring someone of a pro-life position to address our issues - which may very well prove him to be an ally.

                        God bless,
                        William
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by William View Post

                          Like your post, but I can't come to your conclusion. Pro Abortion, no vote. With Trump, I believe he has indicated he is hiring someone of a pro-life position to address our issues - which may very well prove him to be an ally.

                          God bless,
                          William
                          That is possible, however, even though Johnson might be pro-abortion on his stance, he is also of the opinion that it is not the governments business to get involved in the first place. Of course if Trump were to get behind the bill that Rand Paul has introduced that will declare life begins at conception that might just be the deal clincher among many truly conservative Christians. If that bill were to pass it would completely do away with roe v wade, and it would be considered murder to perform an abortion.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Knotical View Post

                            That is possible, however, even though Johnson might be pro-abortion on his stance, he is also of the opinion that it is not the governments business to get involved in the first place. Of course if Trump were to get behind the bill that Rand Paul has introduced that will declare life begins at conception that might just be the deal clincher among many truly conservative Christians. If that bill were to pass it would completely do away with roe v wade, and it would be considered murder to perform an abortion.
                            I believe Trump's son stated that yesterday at the convention. He said a bill was sent forward that Obama rejected banning Planned Parenthood. If Trump were in office that bill will pass. That was actually on par to win my vote. As you know, Christian liberty means a lot to me. Hillary is a no brainier, if elected she will oppress Christians for a third term.

                            As is now, I see a defined line between Trump and the Party. The Convention is saying things I love, but I will have to wait for Trump's speech to verify these things are coming from him. As far as I am aware, Trump is not bound to the Party Platform? I would hate to vote Trump in, only for him to say later, I never said that....

                            God bless,
                            William
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by William View Post

                              I believe Trump's son stated that yesterday at the convention. He said a bill was sent forward that Obama rejected banning Planned Parenthood. If Trump were in office that bill will pass. That was actually on par to win my vote. As you know, Christian liberty means a lot to me. Hillary is a no brainier, if elected she will oppress Christians for a third term.

                              As is now, I see a defined line between Trump and the Party. The Convention is saying things I love, but I will have to wait for Trump's speech to verify these things are coming from him. As far as I am aware, Trump is not bound to the Party Platform? I would hate to vote Trump in, only for him to say later, I never said that....

                              God bless,
                              William
                              That is the ultimate concern, however, it does bode well for him that he picked a running mate that is clearly pro-life.
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