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Hakeem Alyazeedi

Is the Bible Inspired by God? Debate offer

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I assume you will take the negative side of the question.

If you truly believe the negative then I believe it is not possible to change your mind.

 

1 Corinthians 2:14 The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

If you are a believer, then you will believe the Bible is inspired by God and I don't wish to take the negative side of the argument.

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Hakeem Alyazeedi, Good question, but not too much to debate. The Bible speaks for its self here. In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 it says "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for repoof, for instruction in righteousness, (17) that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

 

Other similar verses are Romans &:12; 2 Corinthians 10:10; 1 Timothy 1:15,2:3; 4:4. Literally Inspiration means "God-breathed". The Bible is perfect, infallible, inerrant. 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 1:1; 2 Peter 1:20,21. Gods WORD can not be altered John 10:35; Matthew 5:17,18; Luke 16:17; Revelation 22:18,19.

 

The Bible speaks for its self, the Bible to be correct and reliable in every historical event and proven to be accurate describing cities that once people did not know existed, have in the last half century been discovered. This has amazed many who once doubted the History recorded in the Bible.

 

I don't know what you wanted to be debated, I hope this helps your quest.

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I would like to debate the above subject. Please nominate.

 

Yes, the Bible is inspired by God and not only inerrant, but infallible. It is God's Holy Word. Does that answer your question, sir?

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The fact remains that there are certain contradictions in the Bible as follows;

 

neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the words "The Father"or "the Son" or both. They both use only the word "God". Also, no where in the Old Testament, the term "the Father" in reference to God the Father is used. It is only "God" is used.

 

Nevertheless, the fact remains that contradictions, flaws and errors exist in the Bible as per the examples below from the Revised Standard Version Bible;

 

1. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

 

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

 

2. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

 

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

 

 

 

 

 

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OK, debate. You seem very sure of your points. You know this is a Christian forum, do you think anyone is going to side with you? So I am asking you, just what is your point? Is it your intention to try and get someone here on this form to change to your view? I am confused, if you believe the Bible has errors, has changed over the years and now you believe the Bible is not Holy Spirit Inspired, what are your intentions, but for us to deal with your doubts? Are you willing to considering changing?

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I agree with Hakeem Alyazeedi... the English translations have errors as he has demonstrated ( I would argue that they are insignificant, but I am not a Greek/Hebrew scholar and have to take the word of expert translators.) Knowledgeable Christians believe the books of the Bible as originally written in the Greek and Hebrew are without error and not the English translation. Thus Hakeem Alyazeedi, your point is true but your conclusion is built on a false premise.

Premise 1: God never contradicts himself (granted)

Premise 2: The English versions have contradictions (granted)

Premise 3: God, through inspired men wrote the English translations (this is a fallacy, God did not have inspired men translate to the English bible. In the case of the KJV it was King James and he gave the translators his guidelines and the translators did not have the best manuscripts.... so guess was, they occasionally goofed ... but the goofs are not significant)

Conclusion: The Bible cannot be the work of God for it contradicts itself (Premise 3 invalidates your conclusion.)

Conclusion: The English Bible cannot be the work of God for it contradicts itself (True enough. We have to settle for 'as close as we can get' ... or learn Greek)

 

Anecdote: I had an uncle who believed the KJV was inspired by God himself. One day the preacher started reading from another version. Well, uncle Fred, his wife and I assume his 5 children all march out in the middle to the sermon, never to come back.

 

 

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The fact remains that there are certain contradictions in the Bible as follows;

 

neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the words "The Father"or "the Son" or both. They both use only the word "God". Also, no where in the Old Testament, the term "the Father" in reference to God the Father is used. It is only "God" is used.

 

Nevertheless, the fact remains that contradictions, flaws and errors exist in the Bible as per the examples below from the Revised Standard Version Bible;

 

1. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

 

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

 

2. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

 

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

 

 

 

 

 

I just went to the links you say contradict eachother and they do not.

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After being so thoroughly refuted in your previous debate I am surprised you are back again for another beating.

 

https://www.christforums.org/main/debate/theological-debate/49319-did-jesus-ever-die

 

Most heretics never learn.

 

Dude Google this persons name and see where it takes you.

 

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The fact remains that there are certain contradictions in the Bible as follows;

 

neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the words "The Father"or "the Son" or both. They both use only the word "God". Also, no where in the Old Testament, the term "the Father" in reference to God the Father is used. It is only "God" is used.

 

Nevertheless, the fact remains that contradictions, flaws and errors exist in the Bible as per the examples below from the Revised Standard Version Bible;

 

1. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

 

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

 

2. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

 

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

 

 

 

 

 

I just went to the links you say contradict eachother and they do not.

They do contradict each other. Again, only the books of the bible as originally written in Greek or Hebrew are infallible. Apparently, the secretary (or whoever) made a typo (so to speak)

 

NET© Jehoiachin’s Reign 36:9 Jehoiachin was eighteen 1 years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem. 2 He did evil in the sight of 3 the Lord.

NIV© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem for three months and ten days. He did evil in the eyes of the LORD.

NASB© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem, and he did evil in the sight of the LORD.

ESV© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem. He did what was evil in the sight of the Lord.

NLT©

MSG© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king. But he ruled for only three months and ten days in Jerusalem. In God’s opinion he was an evil king.

BBE© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king; he was ruling in Jerusalem for three months and ten days, and he did evil in the eyes of the Lord.

NKJV© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months and ten days. And he did evil in the sight of the LORD.

NRSV© 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign; he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem. He did what was evil in the sight of the LORD.

KJV© 36:9 Jehoiachin [was] eight years old when he began to reign , and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did [that which was] evil in the sight of the LORD.

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@Fastfredy0

 

You are not looking in the same Bible for the references.

Fastfredy0 is correct. This is nothing new. Anyone who has ever studied the issue knows that the ages do not match in the Hebrew text. See post 234.

 

https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...-flawed/page16

 

Nor does Ahaziah's age match. These are scribal errors. They happen.

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@Fastfredy0

 

You are not looking in the same Bible for the references.

Fastfredy0 is correct. This is nothing new. Anyone who has ever studied the issue knows that the ages do not match in the Hebrew text. See post 234.

 

https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...-flawed/page16

 

Nor does Ahaziah's age match. These are scribal errors. They happen.

Just for FYI, if you click on the post number in a thread and copy/paste that url which will display, after posting it someone clicking on it will be taken directly to that post number. Here's 234: https://www.christforums.org/forum/christian-community/bible-study/35540-is-the-word-of-god-flawed?p=36756#post36756

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@Fastfredy0

 

You are not looking in the same Bible for the references.

Fastfredy0 is correct. This is nothing new. Anyone who has ever studied the issue knows that the ages do not match in the Hebrew text. See post 234.

 

https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...-flawed/page16

 

Nor does Ahaziah's age match. These are scribal errors. They happen.

I tried that but it did not work. What did I do wrong?

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@Fastfredy0

 

You are not looking in the same Bible for the references.

Fastfredy0 is correct. This is nothing new. Anyone who has ever studied the issue knows that the ages do not match in the Hebrew text. See post 234.

 

https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...-flawed/page16

 

Nor does Ahaziah's age match. These are scribal errors. They happen.

Trying to paste a picture here in the comment section. The image shows the post url which can be copied and pasted. Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing:

 

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@Fastfredy0

 

You are not looking in the same Bible for the references.

Fastfredy0 is correct. This is nothing new. Anyone who has ever studied the issue knows that the ages do not match in the Hebrew text. See post 234.

 

https://www.christforums.org/forum/c...-flawed/page16

 

Nor does Ahaziah's age match. These are scribal errors. They happen.

Got it. Thank you.

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Ahaziah

2 Chronicles 22:2

1. Matthew Poole: Object. He was then only twenty-two years old, as is affirmed, 2 Kings 8:26. Besides, Joram his father died in his fortieth year, as is twice noted, 2 Chronicles 21:5,20: how then can this be true?

 

Answ. 1. In the Hebrew it is, a son of forty-two years, &c., which is an ambiguous phrase; and though it doth for the most part, yet it doth not always, signify the age of the person, as is manifest from 1 Samuel 13:1, See Poole "1 Samuel 13:1". And therefore it is not necessary that this should note his age (as it is generally presumed to do, and that is the only ground of the difficulty); but it may note either,

 

1. The age of his mother Athaliah; who being so great, and infamous, and mischievous a person to the kingdom and royal family of Judah, it is not strange if her age be here described, especially seeing she herself did for a season sway this sceptre. Or rather,

 

2. Of the reign of that royal race and family from which by his mother he was descended, to wit, of the house of Omri, who reigned six years, 1 Kings 16:23; Ahab his son reigned twenty-two years, 1 Kings 16:29; Ahaziah his son two years, 1 Kings 22:51; Joram his son twelve years, 2 Kings 3:1; all which, put together, make up exactly these forty-two years; for Ahaziah began his reign in Joram’s twelfth year, 2 Kings 8:25. And such a kind of computation of the years, not of the king’s person, but of his reign or kingdom, we had before, 2 Chronicles 16:1, See Poole "2 Chronicles 16:1". And so we have an account of the person’s age in 2 Kings 8:26, and here of the kingdom to which he belonged.

 

Answ. 2. Some acknowledge an error in the transcribers of the present Hebrew copies, in which language the numeral letters for twenty-two and forty-two are so like, that they might easily be mistaken. For that it was read twenty-two here, as it is in the Book of Kings, in other Hebrew copies, they gather from hence, that it is at this day so read in divers ancient Greek copies, as also in those two ancient translations, the Syriac and the Arabic, and particularly in that famous and most ancient copy of the Syriac, which was used by the church of Antioch in the primitive times, and to this day is kept in the church of Antioch, from which that most reverend, learned, pious, and public-spirited archbishop Usher did at his own great charge get another copy transcribed, in which he hath published to all the world that he found it here written twenty and two years old, &c. Nor doth this overthrow the authority of the sacred text, as infidels would have it, partly because it is only an historical passage, of no importance to the substantial doctrines of faith and a good life; and partly because the question here is not whether this text be true, but which is the true reading of the text, whether that of the generality of present copies, or that which was used in the ancient copies, which the ancient and venerable translators above mentioned did follow; for it seems unreasonable and uncharitable to think that all of them would have conspired to have changed the text, and put in twenty and two for forty and two, if they had so read it in their Hebrew copies. Nor can this open any great door to those innumerable changes which some have boldly and rashly made in the Hebrew text without any such pretence of authority, as there is for this, which as they are affirmed without reason, or authority, or necessity, so they may as easily be rejected. If all this will not satisfy our present infidels, I desire them only to consider what hath been hinted before upon such occasions, that many difficulties which did seem unanswerable, being now fully cleared by later writers, it is but reasonable to think that this may be so in after-times, either by finding of some Hebrew copies in which it may be twenty and two years, &c., or by some other way.

https://www.studylight.org/commentar...nicles-22.html

 

Jehoiachin

2 Kings 24:8

1. Matthew Poole: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign.

 

Object. He was then but eight years old, 2 Chronicles 36:9.

 

Answ. 1. Both are true; in his eighth year he began to reign with his father, who made him king with him, as divers other kings of Israel and Judah had done in the like times of trouble; and in his eighteenth year he reigned alone.

 

2. He is called a son of eight years when he began to reign, 2 Chronicles 36:9, because this was the eighth year, not of his age, but of the Babylonish captivity, or bondage; under which both he and his father had been just so long; for it began in the fourth year of Jehoiakim, as it is affirmed Jeremiah 25:1, and continued all his reign, which lasted eleven years, 2 Kings 23:36; and so the first year of Jehoiachin was precisely the eighth year of that captivity. And this is certain, that the years of kings mentioned in Scripture are not always accounted from the beginning of their age, but from some other remarkable time or thing: thus Saul, when at man’s estate, is called the son of one year, 1 Samuel 13:1, of which See Poole "1 Samuel 13:1" and Ahaziah (whose father lived only forty years, 2 Chronicles 21:20) is called a son of forty and two years when he began to reign, 2 Chronicles 22:2, because that was the forty and second year of the reign of Omri’s family, as most think. And therefore it cannot seem strange if the years of this king be computed, not from his birth but from the beginning of so great and famous a change of the Jewish affairs, as this captivity made; this being the usual way of the Romans and Greeks, and other more ancient and eastern nations, to compute the times from the great changes and revolutions happening among them. And that this was the practice of the Jews in the computation of these very times, is evident from the use of it in the Prophecy of Ezekiel, Ezekiel 1:2, which was the fifth year of Jehoiachin’s captivity; and Ezekiel 33:21, in the twelfth year of our captivity; and Ezekiel 40:1, in the twenty-fifth year of our captivity.

 

3. To all this might be added, that some here acknowledge an error of the scribe, and affirm, that in the first and best copies, in 2 Chronicles 36:9, it was not eight, but eighteen; which they gather from hence, because those two ancient and venerable translators, the Syriac and Arabic, read there, as it is here, was eighteen years old; which, they say, they would never have presumed to do, if they had not so read it in those Hebrew copies, out of which they drew their translation, or in some of them.

https://www.studylight.org/commentar...-kings-24.html

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See Matthew Poole concerning:

Ahaziah (2 Chronicles 22:2)

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/mpc/2-chronicles-22.html

Jehoiachin (2 Kings 24:8)

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/mpc/2-kings-24.html

Approved your prior post Faber. Calm down brother lol. The links set off the spam guard which requires a moderator to review the post. Post number 15 shows perfectly!

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bye!

 

I hope you're not going anywhere. Just thought to put this here. It is a story called the Einstein argument:

 

Does evil exist?

 

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, “Yes, he did!”

 

“God created everything? The professor asked.

 

“Yes sir”, the student replied.

 

The professor answered, “If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil”. The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

 

Another student raised his hand and said, “Can I ask you a question professor?”

 

“Of course”, replied the professor.

 

The student stood up and asked, “Professor, does cold exist?”

 

“What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?” The students snickered at the young man’s question.

 

The young man replied, “In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat.”

 

The student continued, “Professor, does darkness exist?”

 

The professor responded, “Of course it does.”

 

The student replied, “Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton’s prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn’t this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present.”

 

Finally the young man asked the professor, “Sir, does evil exist?”

 

Now uncertain, the professor responded, “Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.”

 

To this the student replied, “Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.”

 

The professor sat down.

 

The young man’s name — Albert Einstein.

 

God bless,

William

 

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I hope you're not going anywhere. Just thought to put this here. It is a story called the Einstein argument:

 

 

 

God bless,

William

 

Excellent point and a very good story.

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Are you leaving?

 

 

You as a staff member are saying that the Bible is inaccurate and If so what the flip are we doing? Going through the hoops for something that might not be right, according to you. I have only two choises here. Either i believe in the Bible or I believe in what is said here. I choose the Bible.

 

I'm going to conduct my bussiness here through pm's to those I trust and that trust just shank tremendously.

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