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Hey there, everyone. Do you consider the use of condoms and birth control to be sinnful within marriage? We can already rule out that its not natural. But is there any acceptable reason for the use of either?

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It is not sinful. Those who insist that it is sinful must demonstrate why.

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Hey there, everyone. Do you consider the use of condoms and birth control to be sinnful within marriage? We can already rule out that its not natural. But is there any acceptable reason for the use of either?

 

No, I do not. Especially because some women are at high risk for various reasons should they become pregnant.

 

I do not think there are any Scriptural prohibitions for their use while in marriage. An alternative to either would be keeping track of the menstrual cycle through the calendar which would be more natural.

 

Since you're pointing out a universal commandment that went out to all of mankind, I'd like to know whether others think we are bound by this particular law?

 

God bless,

William

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Would it be best to say that if a couple can have children they should?

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Would it be best to say that if a couple can have children they should?

 

John Calvin writes, “That pure and lawful method of increase, which God ordained from the beginning, remains firm; this is the law of nature which common sense declares to be inviolable” (commentary on Gen. 1:28).

 

I think there is a rule but with exceptions. What about married couples that cannot have children? Does adopting fill the mandate? If so, why or why not?

 

As far as a couple that can have children and doesn't want to. I ask for what reason? I think we should have some degree of self-examination to understand whether our motives are Scriptural or worldly. What if a couple can but refrains from doing so because they can adopt?

 

What are your thoughts, Innerfire?

 

God bless,

William

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John Calvin writes, “That pure and lawful method of increase, which God ordained from the beginning, remains firm; this is the law of nature which common sense declares to be inviolable” (commentary on Gen. 1:28).

 

I think there is a rule but with exceptions. What about married couples that cannot have children? Does adopting fill the mandate? If so, why or why not?

 

 

I think they would be excused. They have no choice in the matter.

 

 

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As far as a couple that can have children and doesn't want to. I ask for what reason? I think we should have some degree of self-examination to understand whether our motives are Scriptural or worldly. What if a couple can but refrains from doing so because they can adopt?

 

What are your thoughts, Innerfire?

 

God bless,

William

 

Well, would it be wrong to put more emphasis on raising children instead of making children?

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John Calvin writes, “That pure and lawful method of increase, which God ordained from the beginning, remains firm; this is the law of nature which common sense declares to be inviolable” (commentary on Gen. 1:28).

 

I think there is a rule but with exceptions. What about married couples that cannot have children? Does adopting fill the mandate? If so, why or why not?

 

As far as a couple that can have children and doesn't want to. I ask for what reason? I think we should have some degree of self-examination to understand whether our motives are Scriptural or worldly. What if a couple can but refrains from doing so because they can adopt?

 

What are your thoughts, Innerfire?

 

God bless,

William

 

 

I don't think it's without excusable exception, and I don't think adoption is mandated in their case. Also note that adoption wouldn't add a new image bearer to the world.

 

Take this as a principle:

Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!

 

It's relevant to me, because I have a neurological disability that would prevent me from being able to properly help raise a young child.

 

 

 

 

I think they would be excused. They have no choice in the matter.

 

 

 

Some might say the infertile one can't marry.

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Condoms already exists during the ancient times in form of animal intestines. Sounds gross but they have limited technology back then. I think family planning is not bad as long as no baby is getting killed. I do know the Catholic church is against family planning because of what they are doing to the Philippines. They kept on blocking the reproductive health bill there.It is a low where the government will provide free condoms and pills for impoverished families so they will not be reproducing.That country have an over population problem.

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Condoms already exists during the ancient times in form of animal intestines. Sounds gross but they have limited technology back then. I think family planning is not bad as long as no baby is getting killed. I do know the Catholic church is against family planning because of what they are doing to the Philippines. They kept on blocking the reproductive health bill there.It is a low where the government will provide free condoms and pills for impoverished families so they will not be reproducing.That country have an over population problem.

 

There was also "Onanism." :p

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Some would say they can't marry.

 

 

They shouldn't. 1 Tim. 4: 1-5. Christ tells we should marry. Matt. 19: 10-12.

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I don't think it's without excusable exception, and I don't think adoption is mandated in their case.

 

Neither do I. But I did emphasize self examination. I think our motives can be quite worldly. For example, not wanting children so that both spouses can work full time and buy that luxury home or fancy cars.

 

On another note, the world would have us believe that over population is a problem, and on the same note they'll say things like there are not enough people to pay into social security. Personally, I wonder why when an entire generation has been aborted.

 

God bless,

William

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There was also "Onanism." :p

 

I onanisim is basically what I'm quisioning.

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They shouldn't. 1 Tim. 4: 1-5. Christ tells we should marry. Matt. 19: 10-12.

 

I think that Paul is pretty clear saying that some are gifted for various offices in the church (some single and some married). Likewise he suggests that some should remain single (1 Corinthians 7) , and if so then I'd think this would directly violate the commandment to better serve the Lord. Paul continues, "celibacy is not for everyone any more than marriage is. God gives the gift of the single life to some, the gift of the married life to others."

 

As to me, personally, I'm in too bad of shape not to need a helpmeet :2:

 

God bless,

William

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Neither do I. But I did emphasize self examination. I think our motives can be quite worldly. For example, not wanting children so that both spouses can work full time and buy that luxury home or fancy cars.

 

On another note, the world would have us believe that over population is a problem, and on the same note they'll say things like there are not enough people to pay into social security. Personally, I wonder why when an entire generation has been aborted.

 

God bless,

William

 

Although societies (esp post-industrial? can't remember) are destroyed if the birth rate is too high. The environment can't sustain them; this has happened repeatedly.

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@LostWanderer Just wanted to say welcome to the forum. Hope your time here is fruitful, and I hope you become a regular.

 

God bless,

William

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@LostWanderer Just wanted to say welcome to the forum. Hope your time here is fruitful, and I hope you become a regular.

 

God bless,

William

 

Thanks! I might stay around. This is the only forum I've gone to that's analytical rather than emotional and harshly judgmental.

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Although societies (esp post-industrial? can't remember) are destroyed if the birth rate is too high. The environment can't sustain them; this has happened repeatedly.

 

Yet the world still produces enough food to supply ten billion people but there are only 7 billion of us! Starving people are from political failures.

 

God bless,

William

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I think that Paul is pretty clear saying that some are gifted for various offices in the church (some single and some married). Likewise he suggests that some should remain single (1 Corinthians 7) to better serve the Lord. Paul continues, "celibacy is not for everyone any more than marriage is. God gives the gift of the single life to some, the gift of the married life to others."

 

As to me, personally, I'm in too bad of shape not to need a helpmeet :2:

 

God bless,

William

 

In matt. 19: 10-12 we see the same princible.." some are eunics for the cause of The Holy Spirit.". Those who aren't like Paul should marry so they're not repressing urgies and can focus more on their walk with Christ and prayer life.

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Thanks! I might stay around. This is the only forum I've gone to that's analytical rather than emotional and harshly judgmental.

 

We do recommend that people separate their emotions from the topics and subjects at hand. They'll last longer here ;)

 

God bless,

William

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In matt. 19: 10-12 we see the same princible.." some are eunics for the cause of The Holy Spirit.". Those who aren't like Paul should marry so they're not repressing urgies and can focus more on their walk with Christ and prayer life.

 

1 Corinthians 7 is "the" chapter that deals with this subject, "But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." If that is what you mean then I agree with you. :)

 

God bless,

William

 

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Yet the world still produces enough food to supply ten billion people but there are only 7 billion of us! Starving people are from political failures.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

Government plays a role, yes. People take down too many trees, leading to environmental disaster (the earth no longer has the strength it needs) and do so without replanting more. If they were forced to resupply, and not chop down entire areas (leave some still standing) it might go decently. Unfortunately, 'til Christ returns, I'm not sure we'll see much success in this area when birthrate is massive, i.e. 7+.

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We do recommend that people separate their emotions from the topics and subjects at hand. They'll last longer here ;)

 

God bless,

William

 

It wasn't until your second post in my original thread that I realized you were serious that you wanted me to post my topic on lust. I thought you were trolling me and looking for a reason to ban me. LOL... Other forums would have.

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Government plays a role, yes. People take down too many trees, leading to environmental disaster (the earth no longer has the support it needs) and do so without replanting more. If they were forced to resupply, and not chop down entire areas (leave some still standing) it might go decently. Unfortunately, 'til Christ returns, I'm not sure we'll see much success in this area when birthrate is massive, i.e. 7+.

 

Without Christ, I'd say our future looks totally bleak.

 

I am an Amillennialist, so to me before Christ comes could be another six thousand years or so or rather a time of completion. I have faith that whatever will be needed will be provided until all the Elect are accounted for.

 

But I note your insinuation that man should be a good steward, accountable and responsible for not only being fruitful and multiplying but also subduing nature. That is, finding solutions to not only environmental problems but also medical illness etc. I think subduing nature can be solving our environmental problems and lack of food or poor nutrition.

  • Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

God bless,

William

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Overpopulation isn't the problem, it's greed, hedonism, and consumerisim. Or you just say the world is perishing while humanisim keeps defeating itself.

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