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William

Does God Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner?

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Partly "God is luv - and nothing else," was a reaction to the hell fire preachers of yesteryear (God is wrath - and nothing else). But increasingly, it is an attempt to pretend that unpleasant doctrines like eternal punishment are not to be found in the Bible, and to turn God into an avuncular Santa Claus like figure.

 

That might be nice, if it was true, but it is totally without biblical foundation. Which is why we hear words like "bibliolatry" being thrown around. If the Bible can be sidelined, it is much easier to sideline things like hell.

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As I was listing to the video -- the verse John 3:16 came to mind "For God so Loved the world, that He Gave......" He Does love us -- but can't / doesn't over-look our sin.

 

No one wants to acknowledge that people Will end up in hell for ever -- and that a loving God Won't send anyone there. He Does know who will or will Not accept His gift of salvation. Our rejection of Him Does send us to that awful place..

 

You're right. It's easier to sideline things like hell.

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Agreeing with Sue here, God will not overlook our sins. If that was possible, He should be considered nothing short of a monster for sending His One and Only Son to die that horrible death on the Cross (if it was not absolutely necessary for Him to do so to save us). Those who remain outside of Christ, who continue on as "enemies" of the Almighty throughout their lives, will not be saved from His wrath (and they need to know that).

Romans 5

8 God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, having now been
justified by His blood
, we shall be
saved from the wrath of God
through Him.

10 For if while we were
enemies
we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

I also agree with RC and John that telling those outside of Christ that He loves them unconditionally is a mistake. The unvarnished "bad" news needs to be delivered to those who do not know the Lord, so the discussion of Hell must never be "sidelined".

 

In Christ

David

p.s. - of course, these words of A. W. Pink should always be considered as well.

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God love his creature but hates the act when we make a sin. We should do the same. We should hate the human being but we should hate doing the bad things. Humanity is the base of every religion and we should consider it first. We can encourage a person to leave the bad habits and acts rather than having hate for him in our heart.

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You're right -- we are Not to 'hate' anyone. Yes, encourage good healthy habits in place of the bad habits.

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There are several things which come to mind in relation to this question:

 

1. The Bible says regarding Christ that "thou hast loved righteousness and hated iniquity" (Heb 1:9). So it is clear that God hates sin.

 

2. The Bible also says that "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son..." (John 3:16). So it is clear that God loves the world of humanity. And since all human beings are sinners, it follows that God loves all sinners. Thus we read in Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,.. The word "man" indicates "mankind", which encompasses humanity.

 

3. The Bible also says that "God is love" (1 John 4:8). Which means that it is in the very nature of God to love. Thus we read (1 John 3:16): Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

 

4. None of these truths cancel out the truth about Hell -- the Lake of Fire. What they tell us is that because God will have none to perish in Hell (which is not annihilation but eternal torment), but all to come to repentance, He has provide a way for all to come to Him through Christ. Those who refuse to believe the Gospel and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ will be damned (Mark 16:15,16).

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God love his creature but hates the act when we make a sin.

 

Sorry, that is not Biblical.

  • Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
  • Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
  • Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, andtherefore I have abhorred them."
  • Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
  • Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

 

 

 

 

 

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I have read through this thread and it's wonderful to be able to see everyone's different perspectives in relation to the question of whether God loves the sinner and hates the sin. Personally, I don't know the answer, but I do think that as a parent myself, I can totally understand how I might hate something that my child did, and yet in all of that still feel total love for them so I would guess that God does hate the sin but love the sinner.

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I have read through this thread and it's wonderful to be able to see everyone's different perspectives in relation to the question of whether God loves the sinner and hates the sin. Personally, I don't know the answer, but I do think that as a parent myself, I can totally understand how I might hate something that my child did, and yet in all of that still feel total love for them so I would guess that God does hate the sin but love the sinner.

 

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world (everyone in it) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, will not perish but have ever lasting life". That includes you and me.

 

A parent doesn't stop loving their child - - the child might disappoint us -- as you've commented but we don't stop loving them.

 

Sometimes a person is So openly rebellious about life that they are hard To like / love. We wonder how a person gets that way. Sometimes there are No Easy answers. God Does love us -- and He Does discipline us.

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I have read through this thread and it's wonderful to be able to see everyone's different perspectives in relation to the question of whether God loves the sinner and hates the sin. Personally, I don't know the answer, but I do think that as a parent myself, I can totally understand how I might hate something that my child did, and yet in all of that still feel total love for them so I would guess that God does hate the sin but love the sinner.

 

Though mankind is made in the image of God, not all are God's children. The Bible is clear that all people are God’s creation (Colossians 1:16), and that God loves the world (John 3:16), but only those who are born again are children of God (John 1:12; 11:52; Romans 8:16; 1 John 3:1-10).

 

In Scripture, the lost are never referred to as God’s children. Romans 9:8 says that “it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.”

 

God bless,

William

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Good point -- the only person who is a child of God is the born-again believer. As a parent -- I love my kids -- but there are lots of kids in my neighborhood or town that are not My kids. I still love kids.

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Good point -- the only person who is a child of God is the born-again believer. As a parent -- I love my kids -- but there are lots of kids in my neighborhood or town that are not My kids. I still love kids.

 

I agree with your point. God loves its creature whether they are obedient or not. God hates the sin but not the person who do this. For this reason a person could suffer from pain after doing it as it is to make him understand that he did something wrong.

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The person who makes a thing, he obiviously loves it. So how it is possible that God could hate his creation. God does not want us to do the sin that's why we often feel guilty or pain after doing a sin. We should also hate the sin but not the sinner as we can change his thinking with love.

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@demitri @jahanzeb ali qureshi can either of you back up your assertions with Scripture?

 

God bless,

William

 

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3.36)

 

It does not seem to me that "the wrath of God abideth on him" can very easily be made to mean "God loveth him."

 

 

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"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3.36)

 

It does not seem to me that "the wrath of God abideth on him" can very easily be made to mean "God loveth him."

 

 

How about -- the person who does Not believe -- will feel the wrath of God. The wrath of God will be Felt here on earth and experienced 1st hand in eternity.

 

There's a passage that says that God would that All would accept Him / His gift of salvation. But He already knows who will and who Won't. There are Both sides to God.

 

If God didn't 'love' us -- He wouldn't have provided the cross / forgiveness For us.

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How about -- the person who does Not believe -- will feel the wrath of God. The wrath of God will be Felt here on earth and experienced 1st hand in eternity.

 

Well, since all men are sinners, it could be inferred that God's wrath abides upon all men. But an exception to that has to be made for those whom God graciously calls to salvation in Christ.

 

 

There's a passage that says that God would that All would accept Him / His gift of salvation.

 

If that is a reference to the passage I think it is, it contains a Greek word which can be translated in more than one way. Personally, I think election is unconditional, and not contigent upon God's foreknowledge.

 

 

If God didn't 'love' us -- He wouldn't have provided the cross / forgiveness For us.

 

He willed to bring some to salvation, and to condemn others, so as to demonstrate his justice, mercy, and absolute sovereignty. Or so Paul seems to think. (Romans 9.21-24)

 

 

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Sorry, that is not Biblical.

  • Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
  • Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
  • Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, andtherefore I have abhorred them."
  • Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
  • Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

 

 

 

Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

 

 

 

 

 

G'morning CalvaryStudy,

 

Shame your biblical view has been ignored, especially since you back it up with Scripture. Though if I may suggest something, often times a person will water down the Gospel by not telling the whole story, likewise, I think some people preach only one side of the equation. Your post would be wonderfully accurate if it actually included who God actually does love, that is, in contrast to those God "hates".

 

But with respect to the OP, I wish people would attempt to or at least give you the courtesy by acknowledging your scriptural position.

 

The only thing that comes to mind, and I'm surprised nobody has brought it up yet, all of us even the Elect are sinners....... does God love His Elect? That's the part I wouldn't mind seeing contrasted with the reprobate.

 

God bless,

William

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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world (everyone in it) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, will not perish but have ever lasting life". That includes you and me.

 

A parent doesn't stop loving their child - - the child might disappoint us -- as you've commented but we don't stop loving them.

 

Sometimes a person is So openly rebellious about life that they are hard To like / love. We wonder how a person gets that way. Sometimes there are No Easy answers. God Does love us -- and He Does discipline us.

 

 

 

Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

 

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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world (everyone in it) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, will not perish but have ever lasting life". That includes you and me.

 

A parent doesn't stop loving their child - - the child might disappoint us -- as you've commented but we don't stop loving them.

 

Sometimes a person is So openly rebellious about life that they are hard To like / love. We wonder how a person gets that way. Sometimes there are No Easy answers. God Does love us -- and He Does discipline us.

 

Oft times people quote John 3:16, but they seemingly ignore its context and the verses that follow.

  • Verse John 3:18 states, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

I'd like to ask anyone why are they condemned "already"? The verse says, "because he has not believed", then why do some believe and some do not?

 

God bless,

William

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I'd like to ask anyone why are they condemned "already"? The verse says, "because he has not believed", then why do some believe and some do not?

 

Because some are given ears to hear, and some are not.

 

Can I have my £100 prize for the right answer?

 

 

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It's a good thing that we mere humans are Not given the power to know / choose who will accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior.

 

We are Born sinners / condemned. We remain condemned until we accept Christ. And only God knows who will and who won't.

 

(only if you're willing to share your winnings with your friends :D )

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