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Hershey and Child Slavery

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I learned something disturbing a few weeks ago about Hershey that I thought I should share with others. I spent a few days at the Hershey Lodge over Christmas and while I was there I learned that someone filed a lawsuit against Hershey, Mars, and Nestle because they profit of of child slavery in West Africa, here’s that story:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ld-slaves.html

 

It turns out this case was dismissed in 2016 because the judges found it to be an ethical issue but not one that legally required the companies to disclose they were using child slaves on their packaging. But, more interesting to me, is that in 2001 the U.S. Congress worked on a bill to add labels to candy packaging that said something to the effect that child slavery was not used on their product. That bill passed the house but, after some successful lobbying it was never voted on in the senate. Instead, an agreement was made between a few lawmakers and the cocoa industry to bring an end to the problem. And 15 years later it isn’t any better, more about that here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harkin...Engel_Protocol

 

I won’t be buying any Hersey products any more…I'm going to miss my Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

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Nestle already had a poor reputation in Africa. Their promotion of bottle feeding resulted in children's deaths due to a lack of clean water. The boycott over this goes back to the 80's, was lifted and then placed again, but doesn't seem to have much effect.

 

I can't say I'm surprised to find corporate giants using cheap labour and child workers. It seems with multinationals, the shareholders don't know or don't care and the board aren't going to look too hard if the figures are right. There's an interfaith group "Sister of the Precious Blood" monitoring them who have found other examples of people dying and environmental damage due to massive corporate profiteering, like Nestle's water extraction from US forests.

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The article states: "The complaints, filed by three California residents, allege that the companies are guilty of false advertising for failing to disclose the use of child slavery on their packaging."

 

My first thoughts, what constitutes child slavery? Having a job under the age of 18? I live in California, and I wouldn't want to a raise a child here.

 

God bless,

William

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The article states: "The complaints, filed by three California residents, allege that the companies are guilty of false advertising for failing to disclose the use of child slavery on their packaging."

 

My first thoughts, what constitutes child slavery? Having a job under the age of 18? I live in California, and I wouldn't want to a raise a child here.

 

God bless,

William

 

The kids are locked in a shed at the end of the day and given a bucket to use for a toilet. Yep, that sounds like slavery to me.

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The kids are locked in a shed at the end of the day and given a bucket to use for a toilet. Yep, that sounds like slavery to me.

 

Sounds like the local homeless shelters which impose a curfew but without running water. Are they locked in or are others locked out? Seriously, I am reluctant to believe that liberal Californians know how to care for other people's children, especially across national/cultural boundaries.

 

God bless,

William

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Sounds like the local homeless shelters which impose a curfew but without running water. Are they locked in or are others locked out?

I don't believe local homeless shelters routinely beat the residents, while the owners of the plantation admitted to beating child workers on camera. The residents of the homeless shelters are free to try other shelters, but the child workers do not have the freedom to leave. There are also cases where children are simply kidnapped to act as workers, and their parents are unable to recover them. The modern-day slave trade is a major problem, not just in Africa but also worldwide, and there is not enough being done about it.

 

The problem is that either the large companies don't know or simply turn a blind eye. All they see is the shiny sales people these organisations put upfront and a good cheap quote and rarely look into how those prices are achieved. I would expect an ethical company informed of this to take action.

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I don't believe local homeless shelters routinely beat the residents, while the owners of the plantation admitted to beating child workers on camera. The residents of the homeless shelters are free to try other shelters, but the child workers do not have the freedom to leave. There are also cases where children are simply kidnapped to act as workers, and their parents are unable to recover them. The modern-day slave trade is a major problem, not just in Africa but also worldwide, and there is not enough being done about it.

 

The problem is that either the large companies don't know or simply turn a blind eye. All they see is the shiny sales people these organisations put upfront and a good cheap quote and rarely look into how those prices are achieved. I would expect an ethical company informed of this to take action.

 

Liberals are against nationalism or patriotism, they reject our exclusivity or the American way of life. One of the first nations that abolished slavery, now they want to suggest our way of life over others with far more history? Tribal wars have occurred for thousands of years in Africa, with the conquering tribe taking into slavery the conquered tribe and selling them off to slave traders. Seems to me that liberals face a problem, slavery is more predominant now then it has ever been in the world's history. If society apart from Scripture defines what is right or wrong how does it reconcile two societies that differ in view and disagree with one another? Without turning to Scripture how will liberalism address slavery? Are liberals trying to abolish slavery altogether? Or are they trying to promote the fair treatment of slaves? How does either compare to Scriptural teaching?

 

God bless,

William

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Please tell me you are not defending slavery? The people taking and owning slaves in this situation are rarely Christian, so they won't be following any scriptural interpretations. Kidnapping children for work and sale, not taking them as spoils of war, is not part of scripture: Deuteronomy 24:7 and Exodus 21:16 are quite blunt about the punishments for kidnappers and traffickers.

 

You don't have to be a liberal to object to slavery. The Global Freedom Initiative was signed by leaders of Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox faiths as well as Sunni and Shia clerics among others, very few of which are seen as liberals. My church, the Church of England, is campaigning actively against slavery, working with international governments to push through legislation, and trying to defeat it through societal change. If there is no market for goods created in such a way, then one of the main drivers for industrial slavery is removed.

 

(I should clarify I am not American, so I'm not familiar with the issue of liberals attacking the American way of life)

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Please tell me you are not defending slavery? The people taking and owning slaves in this situation are rarely Christian, so they won't be following any scriptural interpretations. Kidnapping children for work and sale, not taking them as spoils of war, is not part of scripture: Deuteronomy 24:7 and Exodus 21:16 are quite blunt about the punishments for kidnappers and traffickers.

 

You don't have to be a liberal to object to slavery. The Global Freedom Initiative was signed by leaders of Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox faiths as well as Sunni and Shia clerics among others, very few of which are seen as liberals. My church, the Church of England, is campaigning actively against slavery, working with international governments to push through legislation, and trying to defeat it through societal change. If there is no market for goods created in such a way, then one of the main drivers for industrial slavery is removed.

 

G'day Chatterbox,

 

What I asked for is a liberal position on slavery that excludes biblical teaching (because liberals seemingly want God out of politics). Since liberals believe society is the moral standard bearer, I am interested to know how two societies that disagree (since they each are the standard bearer while truth and morality are relative to an individual or society) will settle their disagreement? This is all while rejecting any moral absolutes.

 

Granted man stealing is definitely against Biblical Law, but not all forms of slavery are. Take for example indentured slavery, or even state owned slaves (prisoners).

 

What I do not believe is the liberal narrative which has a track record of being morally anemic. They want God out of the public square, so again, I'm interested in societal morality and how it tolerates other views which have a far longer history than America. Slavery has existed for thousands of years, and under growing liberalism is more predominant today than ever.

 

So you're saying the way to combat slavery that has existed for thousands of years is to take away the financial carrot in Hershey Chocolates?

 

God bless,

William

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I am afraid I don't know the liberal position and you'd have to ask a liberal for that.

 

I believe the appropriate response is the one I have already given, but if I stated it in strong enough terms I'd probably be banned from the board. Also I already mentioned scriptures punishment for it, with the Exodus verse, and it is one I wholeheartedly agree with.

 

People do this for money, whether Hershey's or anyone else's. Cut off the money and they'll move to another business, hopefully one that doesn't involved child slavery. Combine that with lengthy jail terms and asset confiscation and eventually you get to a point where it isn't worth the risk. As people found out, buying slaves freedom doesn't work, since the slavers go out and kidnap more to get paid to free them again...

 

 

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I am afraid I don't know the liberal position and you'd have to ask a liberal for that.

 

I believe the appropriate response is the one I have already given, but if I stated it in strong enough terms I'd probably be banned from the board. Also I already mentioned scriptures punishment for it, with the Exodus verse, and it is one I wholeheartedly agree with.

 

People do this for money, whether Hershey's or anyone else's. Cut off the money and they'll move to another business, hopefully one that doesn't involved child slavery. Combine that with lengthy jail terms and asset confiscation and eventually you get to a point where it isn't worth the risk. As people found out, buying slaves freedom doesn't work, since the slavers go out and kidnap more to get paid to free them again...

 

 

Granted, I believe the response you gave was the morally correct one for God's people. Remember, people through biblical law can sell themselves as indentured slaves to pay off debt. I actually find this more noble than claiming bankruptcy. Lemme elaborate more on this in just a little bit.

 

I do disagree that people only do this for money, which may have no value to tribes at war with other neighboring tribes in the far reaches of Africa. What are sanctions to them? Isolating them from the world? The thing is, you're introducing lengthy jail terms etc for a society that does not deem slavery wrong, and isn't taking prisoners ideally taking in slaves for the state? How will a liberal society without biblical guidance impose its belief on another society without the conquer and conquest mentality? I find it ironic that liberalism will result in physical force to enforce its ideology, but yet teach that all truth and morality are relative to an individual. Doesn't that seem particularly contradicting? I know my line of reasoning here may be unorthodox, because I'm taking the bible away and asking liberals to articulate relative morality. This is exactly what liberal Americans have done to Christians throughout the last eight years, that is, they have been attempting to silence us under Obama.

 

I don't know if you're familiar with U.S. Tax laws, but it is illegal for a non profit organization to endorse a candidate. Another words, U.S. laws have effectively silenced the churches in the political arena, the voice of America's conscience. Trump promised to do something about these laws, and reinstate our voice. I know some pastors will not preach politics, but at the very least didn't the OT prophets warn the nation over immorality?

 

Indentured slavery, think about it like this. Is it so far fetched to know that our nation is trillions upon trillions in debt? The current generation cannot pay back the debt of our nation. The nation mind as well stamp each birth certificate with a bank using it as a promissory note to pay back what it borrows. The avg citizen will pay back x amount of dollars over the course of a life time? Unrealistic? I heard a democrat address the hill with concern over the population and how much they contribute to society. They stated that the population is not keeping up with the necessary financial contributions. They seemingly implied that it was necessary to cut back on the population to limit the debt.

 

About indentured slavery, what is so wrong about going to work for 60 months to buy a car and pay back the bank or saying hey I'll be your indentured slave for 1 year if you pay off my car? The bible does address this, and also the fair treatment of slaves, and even those that should attempt to escape their commitment. But lemme say nowhere does the bible support racial slavery as demonstrated in American history.

 

God bless,

William

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Children are used as workers in many countries. Sometime back I heard a report that said children are sewing clothing items for fashion brand Zara in Bangladesh. In Pakistan children are sewing footballs. Big economies are outsourcing their work in small economy countries and children are being used in these industry in order yo cut expenses.

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Children are used as workers in many countries. Sometime back I heard a report that said children are sewing clothing items for fashion brand Zara in Bangladesh. In Pakistan children are sewing footballs. Big economies are outsourcing their work in small economy countries and children are being used in these industry in order yo cut expenses.

 

Please elaborate, are you suggesting this is wrong, and if so why?

 

God bless,

William

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I'm loving this conversation. I think the Hershey issue probably highlights an even bigger issue that it is probably happening in other industries as well. But, in some arenas it seems that kids are being paid really low wages to work which is also not the greatest situation but I have never read a report that these kids are locked up at night. So, for myself, I draw the distinction at the actual act of forced work and the inability of the person/child to move about freely. I also think we need to see the distinction that in poorer countries, being able to work for a few dollars a day is better than nothing. But, this does take advantage of those people. I am going to start some research on the different products in my home to see where they are produced because I am curious how far spread this issue really is. I'll let you know if I find anything interesting.

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I'm loving this conversation. I think the Hershey issue probably highlights an even bigger issue that it is probably happening in other industries as well. But, in some arenas it seems that kids are being paid really low wages to work which is also not the greatest situation but I have never read a report that these kids are locked up at night. So, for myself, I draw the distinction at the actual act of forced work and the inability of the person/child to move about freely. I also think we need to see the distinction that in poorer countries, being able to work for a few dollars a day is better than nothing. But, this does take advantage of those people. I am going to start some research on the different products in my home to see where they are produced because I am curious how far spread this issue really is. I'll let you know if I find anything interesting.

 

I'm sure the liberals would love to increase regulation in these countries and skim from the top. Whenever a transaction happens, someone is making money. You'll have to excuse my reluctance to believe the bleeding heart liberals. As you are observing there is a bigger issue, and I do not believe it can be addressed when God's word is removed from the equation.

 

Our cultures are different, children are quite capable of work. Other cultures might think that is unethical (back to moral relativism), that is, contributing to the household at an early age. Most would rather invest in an area and educate to maximize their earning potential in the Babylonian world system. While I am not promoting isolationism or even child slavery, I am reluctant to call a young laborer in another culture a slave.

 

Just curious, does anyone read Philemon in the New Testament: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philemon&version=ESV

 

God bless,

William

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Child slavery was never truly approved by God. This was always something forced by man, and man alone. God's intention and design was, after all, for children to be free and to ultimately inherit the kingdom of God. For such belongs to these little ones.....

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I wasn't aware of this before this post to be honest. I think the problem with this is that, can it really be considered child slavery? It is easy for us over here in European countries to argue that these children should have an education and should be in school and not working in factories. But for them and their families, a few dollars that we consider to be extremely low could actually be massive for them. It could be the difference between having a decent enough meal and starving. Like said above, there is nothing stopping them from leaving and stopping work therefore it cannot be really considered as slavery. I do however feel like more could be done to improve the conditions and give these children more rights because right now they are being taken advantage of.

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Don't let your love of Hershey cloud your judgement, the children on these plantations are locked up at night, not allowed to leave, and not paid for their work....that's slavery. Oh yeah, and they have probably never tasted chocolate.

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I learned something disturbing a few weeks ago about Hershey that I thought I should share with others. I spent a few days at the Hershey Lodge over Christmas and while I was there I learned that someone filed a lawsuit against Hershey, Mars, and Nestle because they profit of of child slavery in West Africa, here’s that story:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ld-slaves.html

 

It turns out this case was dismissed in 2016 because the judges found it to be an ethical issue but not one that legally required the companies to disclose they were using child slaves on their packaging. But, more interesting to me, is that in 2001 the U.S. Congress worked on a bill to add labels to candy packaging that said something to the effect that child slavery was not used on their product. That bill passed the house but, after some successful lobbying it was never voted on in the senate. Instead, an agreement was made between a few lawmakers and the cocoa industry to bring an end to the problem. And 15 years later it isn’t any better, more about that here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harkin...Engel_Protocol

 

I won’t be buying any Hersey products any more…I'm going to miss my Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

I think we have a president in office today that will be very interested in this fact. We should contact the white house and let him know. The more that do the more chances we have of him finding this out. I don't presume he would know.

If possible, email us! This is the fastest way to get your message to President Trump.

 

 

Your Reese cups weren't that good in the first place. The chocolate Hershey's uses is paraffin wax. Paraffin is derived from crude oil.You'll find paraffin wax in craft stores in the candle making section. It looks there like white marble glass. 863545896_thidOIP.hfwOqiqu3ySvP7kkACUvFAEsDhampw264amph198ampc7ampqlt90ampo4amppid1.7.jpg.e396b77396bd7464fabcbfae63b1257b.jpg Why not bake your own? Using real chocolate?

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Don't just boycott heresey's but every store that refuses to stop selling their products.

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Don't just boycott heresey's but every store that refuses to stop selling their products.
Remember the holdings Hershey has. Labels! Hershey, Mars, and Nestle!

 

Remember that this story began at least five years ago.

 

August 5, 2017 Affinity Magazine Your Hershey’s Chocolate Bar Was Made By Child Slaves

 

 

Don't just stop buying, write Hershey's and tell them that. And why. Hershey's is a stock company also. Eat that bottom line and they may change their mind about how they make their profits and chocolates.

They are also on Twitter. [TWEET]@ASKHERSHEY[/TWEET]

CONTACT US - email & phone

 

 

Sadly Hershey's brands aren't the only one's! Godiva! Pure chocolate the way it should be, and the company uses child slaves. I don't care how rich they are, how do the board members, CEO's, live with themselves knowing this? 7 Famous Brands That Use Child Slaves To Make Your Chocolate

 

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Reese’s, Kit Kat, M&M’s, MilkyWay and Butterfinger.

 

I checked this out yesterday evening. Although the USA, the UN, and others object, Hershey marches on. I won't make much difference since my wife and I don't buy candy. But our entire family is going to be told about this. Let your Christian assembly know, as well.

 

 

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I don't like the fact that Hershey is using child slavery in their products. I'm against it period. As Christians we can see the immorality of it. Volunteer child labor for a poor family, in a poor country, is ok as long as the hours are not long and the work not difficult. Also the child must be free to leave at will.

 

Now the point, I think William trying to Make it, can liberals argue against it?

 

They can say they don't like it, or agree with it, but from there they have no recourse.

 

Our moral standard as Christians, is child abuse is wrong. But we stand on God's moral standard. Liberals atheist, have no moral standard that is greater than themselves. They believe moral standards are personal choice. They also believe, you set standards based on the decisions of the society.

 

So if the society in the African country believe child slavery is moral by their standard, who is the liberal in the United States to change it? Did the liberals become God? I believe they think so. They don't want Christians telling them how to live their lives. We think bla bla bla is ok, and we don't care what your non existent God says! Ok, in some areas of the world they think forced child labor and slavery is ok. So don't steal our Christian morality and impose it on them Mr Atheist. If your morals are strictly society based, then you have to honor the moral codes of other societies.

 

 

 

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Just curious, does anyone read Philemon in the New Testament

That question is worded in a funny way, like you might be expecting that it is on the "Don't read that" list for some folks. I guess Luther felt this way about James, for a while at least.

 

But since Philemon was a runaway slave that Paul was sending back to his master, it does have bearing on this discussion.

 

Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone had parts of scripture they avoided reading, but that's a topic for another thread.

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Just curious, does anyone read Philemon in the New Testament

That question is worded in a funny way, like you might be expecting that it is on the "Don't read that" list for some folks. I guess Luther felt this way about James, for a while at least.

 

But since Philemon was a runaway slave that Paul was sending back to his master, it does have bearing on this discussion.

 

Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone had parts of scripture they avoided reading, but that's a topic for another thread.

Oops, I was remembering it incorrectly. It was Onesimus who was the returning slave and Philemon that was his master.

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