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William

For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT

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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

 

But, an amazing number of people have no interest in listening to the cross examine.

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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

 

But, an amazing number of people have no interest in listening to the cross examine.

 

1 Kings 18:27 .... I actually appreciated the man in the videos rather taunting behavior. Some people will not examine their convictions unless provoked.

 

God bless,

William

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I actually appreciated the man in the videos rather taunting behavior. Some people will not examine their convictions unless provoked.

 

 

Yes, he does a good job of provoking. And, a graphic demonstration is always better than simply saying something.

 

Steel melts at a hotter temperature than jet fuel burns, therefor burning fuel didn't bring down the WTC. Never mind that steel, and anything, gets weak before its hot enough to melt.

 

There are no stars in the black sky on moon landing photos, therefor the moon landing was faked. Never mind that there are no stars because because of the fast shutter speed needed on the bright side of the moon.

 

One photo of debris at the 911 Pentagon crash shows a small jet turbine, too small to belong to a jumbo jet, therefor a missile, not a jumbo jet, hit the Pentagon. Never mind that the object really isn't a jet turbine.

 

The substance of conspiracy theories and bad doctrine, things taken out of context and presented as evidence of whatever a false teacher wants people to believe. Another trait of false teachers, they try very hard to stick to their out-of-context evidence rather than directly answering objections.

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The substance of conspiracy theories and bad doctrine, things taken out of context and presented as evidence of whatever a false teacher wants people to believe.
Right. So why are you so satisfied with the out-of-context presupposition in the opening post?

 

 

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Yes, he does a good job of provoking. And, a graphic demonstration is always better than simply saying something.

 

Steel melts at a hotter temperature than jet fuel burns, therefor burning fuel didn't bring down the WTC. Never mind that steel, and anything, gets weak before its hot enough to melt.

 

There are no stars in the black sky on moon landing photos, therefor the moon landing was faked. Never mind that there are no stars because because of the fast shutter speed needed on the bright side of the moon.

 

One photo of debris at the 911 Pentagon crash shows a small jet turbine, too small to belong to a jumbo jet, therefor a missile, not a jumbo jet, hit the Pentagon. Never mind that the object really isn't a jet turbine.

 

The substance of conspiracy theories and bad doctrine, things taken out of context and presented as evidence of whatever a false teacher wants people to believe. Another trait of false teachers, they try very hard to stick to their out-of-context evidence rather than directly answering objections.

I agree with you Cornelius. I know of no one who actually claimed that the steel melted. As Popular Mechanics states:

 

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat.

 

It further states:

 

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F", notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."

 

If anything the above video proves the point. The weaken steel and the sheer weight of the building would be more than enough to bring it down. Popular Mechanics also goes on to point out that jet fuel was not the only thing burning.

 

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

 

 

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I know of no one who actually claimed that the steel melted.
I then ask you to get informed. "Not only was molten metal seen pouring out of WTC 2, dozens of eyewitnesses observed it in the debris of all three buildings." - BEYOND MISINFORMATION, p. 32. http://www.beyondmisinformation.org/

 

 

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I then ask you to get informed. "Not only was molten metal seen pouring out of WTC 2, dozens of eyewitnesses observed it in the debris of all three buildings." - BEYOND MISINFORMATION, p. 32.
If there was molten steel, then someone ought to produce pics of that steel among the debris. There are pics of twitted and warped steel. It just was not hot enough. Whatever the witnesses claim to have saw it was not molten steel.

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If there was molten steel, then someone ought to produce pics of that steel among the debris.
That’s easy. See pages 31, 32 and 35 of BEYOND MISINFORMATION. http://www.beyondmisinformation.org/

 

There are pics of twitted and warped steel. It just was not hot enough.
It’s true that not everything melts in nano-thermite explosions.

 

 

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That’s easy. See pages 31, 32 and 35 of BEYOND MISINFORMATION. http://www.beyondmisinformation.org/

 

It’s true that not everything melts in nano-thermite explosions.

Pics, where are the pics of the molten metal among the debris? I want to see hard evidence of it pouring out of WTC 2. Show me the lava that was that was claimed to have been seen.

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Pics, where are the pics of the molten metal among the debris?

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I want to see hard evidence of it pouring out of WTC 2.
Are you asking for instructions on how to download the free pdf with embedded pics cited above?

 

Here is a video of molten metal pouring out of the north-east corner of WTC2 South Tower on 9/11:

 

 

 

 

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Here is a video of molten metal pouring out of the north-east corner of WTC2 South Tower on 9/11
Those are pics of something but I see no evidence it is molten metal. It could just as likely be from aluminum desks which melts at a much lower temperature.

 

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Those are pics of something but I see no evidence it is molten metal.

 

 

You have to watch these conspiracy photos, not only are people photo-shopping but they even go the extent of inserting clips in videos. There was one that showed a missile hitting the Pentagon, the inserted clip only appeared for a blink of an eye. A viewer had to view it a couple of times and slow it down to catch the frame that "introduced" the idea.

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Those are pics of something but I see no evidence it is molten metal. It could just as likely be from aluminum desks which melts at a much lower temperature.

You don't know the first thing about the science that exalts the church of Christian Truthers. Molten aluminum looks silvery.

 

 

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You have to watch these conspiracy photos, not only are people photo-shopping but they even go the extent of inserting clips in videos. There was one that showed a missile hitting the Pentagon, the inserted clip only appeared for a blink of an eye. A viewer had to view it a couple of times to catch the frame that "introduced" the idea.
William it is really a game no one can win.

 

 

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You don't know the first thing about the science that exalts the church of Christian Truthers. Molten aluminum looks silvery.
Here you go again. Is that all you have? Is that the best you can do. It is very pathetic and pitiful.

 

 

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You have to watch these conspiracy photos, not only are people photo-shopping but they even go the extent of inserting clips in videos.
The biggest liars are all those eyewitnesses, especially the firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians.

 

 

 

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Here you go again. Is that all you have? Is that the best you can do.
I have the testimony of Dr. Steven E. Jones, a physicist, and he says that molten aluminum looks "silvery" at all temperatures in daytime conditions.

 

Nevertheless, molten aluminum sure looks silvery to me:

 

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It is very pathetic and pitiful.
No. What is pathetic and pitiful is the suppression of dissent and accepting the testimonies of a murderous regime and their shameless defenders without being willing to examine everything carefully as the Scriptures advise. Edited by Zog Has-fallen

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I have the testimony of Dr. Steven E. Jones, a physicist, and he says that molten aluminum looks "silvery" at all temperatures in daytime conditions.
And there are other experts who disagree. Since you do not accept their views simply because it does not fit what you believe, that in and of itself is more than enough reason to reject your source and claim. Of course you ignore and won't entertain any other possible explanations that could or would effect your claims.

 

No. What is pathetic and pitiful is the suppression of dissent and accepting the testimonies of a murderous regime and their shameless defenders without being willing to examine everything carefully as the Scriptures advise.
An opinion about others is not evidence you are right. Claims of conspiracy are always thrown out when someone does not agree. That is one reason why they are so weak. Edited by Origen

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It’s true that not everything melts in nano-thermite explosions.

 

 

It's interesting that you're a fan of bigger government even though you think the government is so sinister.

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And there are other experts who disagree.
I posted 3 independent videos documenting actual backyard experiments with molten aluminum that had nothing to do with 9/11. Can’t you believe your eyes? Or do you refuse to open them?

 

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It's interesting that you're a fan of bigger government even though you think the government is so sinister.
According to the Apostle Paul, the purpose of government is to restrain evil (Romans 13). I believe that government only has to be big enough to do that.

 

 

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I posted 3 independent videos documenting actual backyard experiments with molten aluminum that had nothing to do with 9/11. Can’t you believe your eyes? Or do you refuse to open them?
Yes you did and no one was even mildly impressed. First, as I said before there are other experts that disagree. Second, nothing you have offered proves it was molten steel. Third, backyard [so called] experiments with molten aluminum don't impress anyone. Fourth, your "molten metal pouring" video proves nothing. I see no reason to believe that anyone could identify would that substance was/I simply by looing at it..

 

 

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I said before there are other experts that disagree.
And for the most important factor of all, for unthinking catholics that need to be told what to believe, -- darn, the pope isn't available for comment. Edited by Zog Has-fallen

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