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    Scientology is an idea that states that you can heal only through religious activities, praying for instance, and do not have to go through medication. Do you believe in scientology, does this really work. For example, you have high fever and can you heal just by praying and not taking medicines?

  • #2
    Hi Luri,

    Scientology is a cult. Matter of fact I just read an article where people in Scientology were being held against their will:
    Scientology facilities closed — patients held against their will
    Notorious Tennessee Scientology facility shut down when patients found held against their will « The Underground Bunker
    Secret facilities in Tennessee closed after police find patients held against their will - National | Globalnews.ca

    I recommend staying away from them.

    God bless,
    William
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    • #3
      Here is more information about Scientology.

      Scientology | carm
      Clyde Herrin's Blog
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      • #4
        Scientology is definitely a cult, with recruiting practices, aims, and a focused method of charging more as people move up the ladder. There's also dianetics, L. Ron Hubbard's books before scientology, and what Scientology is mostly based on. Neither of these involve prayer, just intensive 'auditing' where members question each other repeatedly and in one case a belief in aliens.

        Are you thinking of Christian Science, which believes illness is a false reality which can be cured by prayer alone? There's more about it here. Can you have a look and clarify?
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        • #5
          Thank you all for your answers. So Scientology is not in any way connected to religion or theology? It is just a cult practice?
          I was always fascinated about Scientology because the idea is supported and endorsed by celebrities such as Tom Curise and Val Kilmmer. Since these people have tremendous influence over the mass, their endorsement made me think that Scientology is something I need to consider.
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          • #6
            Hello luri,

            The fact that they are celebrities should still cause someone to consider the evidence.

            Leah Remini is a celebrity as well. You can do a Google search about her and her life as a Scientologist. She eventually left.
            Ex-Scientologist Leah Remini reveals Tom Cruise is the reason she left the Church | Daily Mail Online

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            • #7
              Originally posted by luri View Post
              Scientology is an idea that states that you can heal only through religious activities, praying for instance, and do not have to go through medication. Do you believe in scientology, does this really work. For example, you have high fever and can you heal just by praying and not taking medicines?

              Wrong, its a money making pyramid scheme.


              Here is some of their material that would otherwise cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars.


              THE ACTUAL SUPER POWER PROCESS
              Super Power Rundown Series 5
              The final step of the Super Power Rundown is to give back to the person his full
              potential power as a being. All prior steps on the Super Power Rundown have been
              designed to get a person into a state wherein he is set up to regain his ability to handle
              infinite power. These processes are run just like any other process with full F/N, Cog VGIs
              as the EP. If the person goes exterior continue to run the processes. If there is a dial wide
              F/N continue to run the process. The only time you would end off the process or the session
              is if the person has a persistent floating TA.
              At some point during the running of this series of processes the person will reach
              a state wherein they are speechless. They will laugh with wild abandon. Their TA will be
              floating! They will probably also be exterior and will be unable to communicate in words
              what they are experiencing. This is the end result of the Super Power Rundown. It is rare
              for this to occur prior to the running of the last flow of this series of processes, but if it
              occurs then acknowledge the win.
              One thing the auditor must not do is interrupt the person while in the middle of this
              major win or during the laughter. Otherwise it will invalidate the win. The auditor simply
              maintains his TRs and lets the person have his win. Do not end the session until the
              laughter stops as this will also tend to invalidate the person and his win.
              The laughter can go on for some time. Perhaps up to an hour. Be sure and just be there
              with the person during this win and not end the session until the laughter has subsided.
              The following is the last series of processes one runs on the Super Power Rundown:
              1. Get the idea that you have infinite power.
              2. Get the idea that another has infinite power.
              3. Get the idea that others have infinite power.
              4. Get the idea that you can cause yourself to have infinite power.
              5. Get the idea that you have been given infinite power.
              6. Get the idea that another has been given infinite power.
              7. Get the idea that others have been given infinite power.
              8. Get the idea that you have caused yourself to be given infinite power.
              9. Get the idea that you can give another infinite power.
              10. Get the idea that another can give you infinite power.
              11. Get the idea that others can give others infinite power.
              12. Get the idea that you can cause yourself infinite power.
              13. Get the idea that you are infinite.
              14. Get the idea that another is infinite.
              15. Get the idea that others are infinite.
              16. Get the idea that you can cause yourself to be infinity.
              Make sure to run only the reading process and check for interest. Do not run any
              process on the person in which he is not interested.



              END PHENOMENA
              The rundown has two major types of cognitions, and both of them should occur
              before the rundown is declared complete.
              The first is a realization that the person is himself. Some statement that adds up to
              “I’m me!” will occur if the rundown is done correctly.
              The second will be an awareness that the person is here, aware of the present
              environment, or “I’m here!”. These two cognitions are natural results of undoing the
              dumbbell phenomena.


              BASIC BASIC
              The first (earliest) bit in the bank is not an Item but a light.
              It appears to the left front of the face, some distance away (look ahead and to the
              left a bit and you’ll spot it).
              It is the source of unconsciousness and produces it when contacted.
              There is a light before each Run, in the middle of each 7’s GPM (every 4 pairs), at
              the start of Basic End Words, at the start of Confusion GPM, and at the start of the Objects
              and at the end of each type of Item in the Objects (every 8 Items). Each time you feel
              groggy, it’s a light doing it. Each major change, then, is preceded by the light. Mark these
              in on your platens if they are not there. Flatten each one by spotting it, and it and thetan.
              Anaten (unconsciousness) can be spotted away.
              It is part of the light. When the light went on, the thetan went anaten. Instead of a
              Solo Auditor going anaten in his session, it is only necessary to spot the anaten in the
              thetan when running the light.
              When you spot a light or object or combination of objects, you should get a read on
              the needle. By spotting the same thing again, you get another read. By spotting it again,
              you get another read. And so you continue to spot it, time after time, until no more reads
              occur by reason of spotting.
              You repeat verbal items aloud, getting a read each time you repeat until it has no
              more reads. Verbal items are found in the “7’s”. “Basic End Words” and “Confusion
              GPM”.
              But you silently spot lights, objects, combinations of objects repeatedly (same one)
              until you have no more reads.
              You should get as many falls, etc. from spotting a light as you do from calling an
              Item.
              Spotting the thetan follows the same rules. You spot repeatedly until there are no
              more reads on the needle by reason of spotting the thetan (self) at that instant and place.
              You don’t have to see the light to spot it or see the thetan or see the object or objects.
              You only need to spot the place where they are with the idea of what should be there.
              Of course, seen at first or not, continued spotting makes it blow.


              HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
              Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
              HCO BULLETIN OF 2 OCTOBER 1968
              OT I I I
              CLASS VIII
              OT III
              As a matter of data, the only trouble really in a III OT run is running an Inc I on one thetan
              and an incident II on another, thinking it was thc first one. A preOT can free wheel into R6 if
              you run only an INC 2. You can stop the free wheel at once by running Inc I off the same thetan
              you ran the Inc 2 on that started a free wheel.
              Free wheel means that the pc goes on automatic continuous run. Inc 2 is R6 75 million years
              ago. Inc I is about 4 quadrillion yoars ago. Both, all thetans on this planet and 21 nearby stars have
              in common. All thetans in the Universe have Inc. 1. Only those in this Old Confederation have
              Inc 2 and R6. All CC and OTII materials are in R6 75 million years ago. These are followed by
              36 days worth of motion pictures - god devil, space opera, trains, cars, helicopters, crashes, stage
              etc. This R6 is 75 million years ago and this planet and confederation.
              If the vokano bit is run as per III directions but the Inc I is not run on same thetan, R6 begins
              to run off on automatic, the being can’t sleep for days, the body dies. That’s the way it was
              designed.
              LRH:nd:sp L. RON HUBBARD
              Copyright (c) 1968 FOUNDER
              by L. Ron Hubbard
              ALL RIGHTS RESERVED


              HUBBARD IN HIS OWN WORDS

              "Scientology is used to increase spiritual freedom, intelligence, ability and to produce immortality."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS AND SCIENTOLOGY TECHNICAL DICTIONARY, copyright 1975, reprinted 1987, p. 370

              "MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384

              "Show me any person who is critical of us and I’ll show you crimes and intended crimes that would stand a magistrate’s hair on end."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 4 April 1965

              "Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, "LRH Relationship to Orgs"

              "If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs

              "The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, A MANUAL ON THE DISSEMINATION OF MATERIAL, 1955

              "When we need somebody haunted we investigate…When we investigate we do so noisily always."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

              "People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organisations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

              "So we listen. We add up associations of people with people. When a push against Scientology starts somewhere, we go over the people involved and weed them out. Push vanishes."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

              "Our organizations are friendly. They are only here to help you."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "Dianetic Contract" 23 May 1969

              "ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 18 October 1967
              [SP = Suppressive Person a.k.a. critic of Scientology]

              "The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.
              This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 21 October 1968, "Cancellation of Fair Game"

              "A truly Suppressive Person or group has no rights of any kind and actions taken against them are not punishable."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 1 March 1965, HCO (Division 1) "Ethics, Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists"

              "The names and connections, at this time, of the bitterly opposing enemy are: 1. Psychiatry and psychology (not medicine). 2. The heads of news media who are also directors of psychiatric front groups. 3. A few key political figures in the fields of "mental health" and education. 4. A decline of monetary stability caused by the current planning of bankers who are also directors of psychiatric front organizations [that] would make us unable to function."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 16 February 1969, "TARGETS, DEFENSE"

              "When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the nail, empower all your friends completely and move off with your pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia [sic] and bribe the police."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 12 February 1967, "The Responsibilities of Leaders"

              "There is no more ethical group on this planet than ourselves."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING. 7 February 1965, reissued 27 August 1980

              "They smell of all the baths they didn’t take. The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here."
              - L. Ron Hubbard’s diary, 1928. (Jon Atack, A PIECE OF BLUE SKY: SCIENTOLOGY, DIANETICS AND L. RON HUBBARD EXPOSED. Lyle Stuart/Carol Publishing Group 1990)

              "Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may I state that you have conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the most impressive and adequate resettlement activity in existence."
              - L. Ron Hubbard in a letter to H.F. Verwoerd (widely considered to be the architect of South Africa’s apartheid system) dated November 7, 1960, reprinted in K.T.C. Kotzé, INQUIRY INTO THE EFFECTS AND PRACTICES OF SCIENTOLOGY, p. 59, Pretoria 1973

              "In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145 [The "Tone Scale" is Scientology’s measure of mental and spiritual health.]

              "There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

              "The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

              "A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 171

              "Unfortunately, it is all too often true that suppressors to a creative action must be removed before construction and creation takes place. Any person very high on the Tone Scale may level destruction toward a suppressor."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 159

              "In all the broad Universe there is no other hope for Man than ourselves."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "Ron's Journal" 1967

              "A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6) sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February 1966, "Project Psychiatry"

              "I’m drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys."
              - L. Ron Hubbard in a 1967 letter to his wife, written during the period when he was creating Scientology’s secret "upper levels." (Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. a.k.a. Ronald DeWolf, L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? Random House 1989)

              "Now, get this as a technical fact, not a hopeful idea. Every time we have investigated the background of a critic of Scientology, we have found crimes for which that person or group could be imprisoned under existing law. We do not find critics of Scientology who do not have criminal pasts."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 5 November 1967, "Critics of Scientology"

              "This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don’t ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966

              "We're playing for blood, the stake is EARTH."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 7 November 1962

              "THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "Off the Time Track," lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

              "Scientology...is not a religion."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, 1954, p. 251

              "This [Scientology] is useful knowledge. With it the blind again see, the lame walk, the ill recover, the insane become sane and the sane become saner. By its use the thousand abilities Man has sought to recover become his once more."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENTOLOGY: A HISTORY OF MAN, 1952

              "Benzedrine often helps a case run."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "The Intensive Processing Procedure," 1950
              ["Run a case" = administer Dianetics or Scientology procedures to someone]

              "Of all the ills of man which can be successfully processed by Scientology, arthritis ranks near the top. In skilled hands, this ailment, though misunderstood and dreaded in the past, already has begun to become history. Twenty-five hours of Scientology by an auditor who fairly understands how to process arthritis can be said to produce an invariable alleviation of the condition. Some cases, even severe ones, have responded in as little as two hours of processing, according to reports from auditors in the field."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 1-G, 1952

              "Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase ‘It turns my blood to water.’"
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953

              "When somebody enrols, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe - never permit an ‘open-minded’ approach... If they enrolled, they’re aboard, and if they’re aboard they’re here on the same terms as the rest of us - win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half minded about being Scientologists... When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare… The proper instruction attitude is, ‘We'd rather have you dead than incapable.’"
              - L. Ron Hubbard, KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING, 7 February 1965, reissued 27 August 1980

              "Advanced Courses [in Scientology] are the most valuable service on the planet. Life insurance, houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, all are transitory and impermanent... There is nothing to compare with Advanced Courses. They are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself."
              - L. Ron Hubbard speaking of his Operating Thetan Courses, Flag Mission Order 375

              "’Psychiatry’ and ‘psychiatrist’ are easily redefined to mean ‘an anti-social enemy of the people‘. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended...Scientologists are redefining ‘doctor‘, ‘Psychiatry’ and ‘psychology’ to mean ‘undesirable antisocial elements‘...The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards. This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5 October 1971, PR Series 12, "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words"

              "Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases, asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalogue of illnesses goes away and stays away."
              L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, 1987 Ed., p. 72

              "Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, ALL ABOUT RADIATION, p. 109

              "You are only three or four hours from taking your glasses off for keeps."
              - L. Ron Hubbard, "Eyesight and glasses," "Dianetic Auditor’s Bulletin," Vol. 2, No. 7, January 1952

              "The alleviation of the condition of insanity has also been accomplished now…"
              - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, November 1970, "Psychosis"

              "Let’s sell these people a piece of blue sky."
              - L. Ron Hubbard to an associate in 1950, soon after the opening of the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation. (Jon Atack, A PIECE OF BLUE SKY: SCIENTOLOGY, DIANETICS AND L. RON HUBBARD EXPOSED, Lyle Stuart/Carol Publishing Group. 1990)

              "I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is."
              - L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983
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              • #8
                Originally posted by luri View Post
                Thank you all for your answers. So Scientology is not in any way connected to religion or theology? It is just a cult practice?
                The founder of Scientology L Ron Hubbard was a satanist and got involved with Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley, both well known occultists in their day. Hubbard became an adulterer and a bigamist and a swindler. He tried to steal most of Parson's wealth after stealing his de facto wife. That just about sums up Scientology too - a big money making scam, and godless cult. No resemblance to Christianity at all.
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                • #9
                  I agree with the other posters on here. Scientology is a dangerous cult.
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