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  • Christian Standard Bible and the discarded Holman Christian Standard Bible

    This year the Holman Bible publisher dropped the Holman Christian Standard Bible and came out with the new Christian Christian Standard Bible. The HCSB which had the name YAHWEH for LORD in the Old Testament which is the Holy name of God. In the New Testament in places that where is was correctly used the word MESSIAH where sometimes Christ was used. The reason given was people were unfamiliar with these terms. The HCSB was mainly sold by Life Way Christian Book Stores and could be found on line in, and Barns & Noble stores. Sales seemed to be good. My main issue was the HCSB it had very limited Concordance.

    Now for the "new Christian Standard Bible". Basically the only big difference is that YAHWEH and MESSIAH are now "LORD" and "CHRIST" all the verses are same, and the very limited, poor Concordance still remains the same. I have to question why Holman made such a change? In my opinion Holman made a mistake, it had a Bible that had a distinctiveness that no other Protestant Bible had using YAHWEH for LORD which is a correct term, and using MESSIAH where it was called for.

    Holman has now joined a very competitive Bible marker and must struggle for Bible sales with the huge Bible sales that the ESV, NIV, and the NASB have long has. Perhaps time will tell but I think this might well prove to be Holman's great move or a serious misunderstanding of what Christians really want in a fresh new Bible.

    Have you looked at the CSB or have a opinion?




    justme

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    What do I as a Christian want in a fresh new bible? My attention.

    KJV is superior.
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    • #3
      While many Christians are very loyal to a very good translation the KJV it was last revised in 1779. There is nothing wrong with the KJV. But as a matter superiority that is strictly a matter of personal opinion, not a genuine fact. I find Christians who have a favorite Bible, and as long as a person is really actively reading and studding Scripture that's fine. I found that many people read the Bible they were brought up with or their pastor uses in Church.

      I have many Bibles of different translations and often I will have several seeing how each reads, then I look ate the Greek and sometimes I wonder how some Bibles came to their conclusion. My personal favorite is the Holman Christian Standard and the New American Standard, they offer me the best of all translations IMO.

      Thanks fory your post and have a blessed day.


      Justme
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      • #4
        Never heard of the CSB. How does it compare with the NASB, which has been identified as a much better translation than other bibles?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Knotical View Post
          Never heard of the CSB. How does it compare with the NASB, which has been identified as a much better translation than other bibles?
          The CSB is a solid good translation, I recently bought one and am reading it and find it just like the Holman Christian Standard bible except with out the name of Yahweh for LORD and Messiah has been changes to always using Christ. This was done by very conservative reviewers that had the power to make these changes. I personally liked the first way better, as it was more accurate and unique. Unfortunately we live in a world that unless a Bible sells enough to justify its printing, no matter how good it is, numbers of sales rule to day.

          I personally use the Updated NASB and the HCSB and the CSB, as well as the older 1985 NIV, these give me a wider understanding of what is being said.

          Justme
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Trist View Post
            What do I as a Christian want in a fresh new bible? My attention.

            KJV is superior.
            Agreed. Bible publishers have been vainly trying to impose a "Standard" Bible on Christians for the last 100 years. The only problem is that they have been using the worst Hebrew and Greek texts to come up with these so-called "Standard" Bibles.

            As to the use of "Yahweh" and "Messiah" that was totally unnecessary. There was a valid reason to translate YHWH as "LORD" (small capitals) since it was the ancient practice of the Hebrews to avoid pronouncing the Divine Name. As to the use of "Messiah", that is totally pretentious, since "Christ" has been the title of the Lord Jesus Christ for centuries, and "Christ" and "Christians" go together.

            Furthermore, the use of "Messiah" would actually be a throwback, since Jesus of Nazareth came as the Messiah of Israel, but was generally rejected by the Jews. Now He is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, not Messiah Yeshua restricted to Israel..
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            • #7
              Originally posted by justme View Post

              The CSB is a solid good translation, I recently bought one and am reading it and find it just like the Holman Christian Standard bible except with out the name of Yahweh for LORD and Messiah has been changes to always using Christ. This was done by very conservative reviewers that had the power to make these changes. I personally liked the first way better, as it was more accurate and unique. Unfortunately we live in a world that unless a Bible sells enough to justify its printing, no matter how good it is, numbers of sales rule to day.

              I personally use the Updated NASB and the HCSB and the CSB, as well as the older 1985 NIV, these give me a wider understanding of what is being said.

              Justme
              I used the HCSB Apologetics Bible, however, I lent it out and like most every book I lend out I never get them back: HCSB Apologetics Bible

              Great apologetics study bible by the way. Basically, the defense against many misconceptions are given, for example, addressing reincarnation will be found under verses most often twisted such as John being Elijah.

              I now use the ESV Reformation Study Bible, and consider it the best Bible in my personal collection (King James, NIV, and 1599 Geneva).

              For just regular reading I prefer using Esword which allows me to quickly parallel verses or I use Biblehub.com, for example: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

              God bless,
              William
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lucas View Post
                As to the use of "Messiah", that is totally pretentious, since "Christ" has been the title of the Lord Jesus Christ for centuries, and "Christ" and "Christians" go together.
                Christ and Messiah mean exactly the same thing. They are the Greek and Hebrew words for Anointed One. When you are sharing the gospel with Jews it would probably be better to call Jesus the Messiah rather than the Christ.
                Clyde Herrin's Blog
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                  Christ and Messiah mean exactly the same thing.
                  That's exactly my point. Since they mean the same thing but "Christ" has passed into the Christian (and non-Christian) vocabulary for centuries, it is rather pretentious at this point to replace that word with "Messiah". And all Jews today know exacly what "Christ" means.

                  Furthermore, if the translators are going strictly by a word-for -word translation, they do not have the liberty to replace "Christ" (Χριστος) with "Messiah". (Μεσσιας ). In John 4:25, we have both Greek words, which the KJV has faithfully translated (and even transliterated Μεσσιας as "Messias").

                  λεγει αυτω η γυνη, Οιδα οτι Μεσσιας ερχεται ο λεγομενος Χριστος· οταν ελθη εκεινος, αναγγελει ημιν παντα.
                  The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

                  The KJV translators were so scrupulous about this that they transliterated Hebrew names written in Greek exactly as spelled in Greek, rather than the Hebrew equivalent. Perhaps that was going a bit too far, but it represented their desire to be faithful to the text.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by William View Post

                    I used the HCSB Apologetics Bible, however, I lent it out and like most every book I lend out I never get them back: HCSB Apologetics Bible

                    Great apologetics study bible by the way. Basically, the defense against many misconceptions are given, for example, addressing reincarnation will be found under verses most often twisted such as John being Elijah.

                    I now use the ESV Reformation Study Bible, and consider it the best Bible in my personal collection (King James, NIV, and 1599 Geneva).

                    For just regular reading I prefer using Esword which allows me to quickly parallel verses or I use Biblehub.com, for example: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

                    God bless,
                    William
                    Go to CBD or Lifeway there is an ample supply as these were not a real big seller. The change from HSCB to CSB is really misleading as it is the same translation with out those two words referring to Father God and Christ. I bought a CSB and am reading the two and see no difference so far. This shows me commercialism is alive and growing is the Bible market as that was most likely the real reason for the changes. This really is a sad thing that has happened IMO..
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                    • #11
                      It grieves me that there are about 25 translations, each fading away as a new one pops up, and then the commercial market comes out with a new one. Many of us interpret the "new" one to be, finally, the "most accurate" translation. I had 15 Bibles before I wised up. Sad. Another thing that grieves me is that various TV organizations promote providing the Bible to "those that are without one," then send them the entire Bible. I suppose many of them start reading on page one, or a new bevy of missionaries has to travel to explain it to them.

                      Far better, I believe, would be to provide Matthew, John, and Romans. The expense of production and distribution costs would drop dramatically, and folks just might receive a Bible they can believe in forever.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Winken View Post
                        Far better, I believe, would be to provide Matthew, John, and Romans.
                        That might be good if you follow it up by providing complete Bibles for those who master these three books. Remember that all scripture is inspired by God and we need it all to serve God effectively.
                        Clyde Herrin's Blog
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                          That might be good if you follow it up by providing complete Bibles for those who master these three books. Remember that all scripture is inspired by God and we need it all to serve God effectively.
                          Peope tend to read just a few NT books and ignore most of the OT books. Unless we understand the OT the NT understanding of God and His working with people is really lacking a lot. However most people do read Psalm as it brings great comfort, but we need much more than that.

                          Without seeing the complete Bible as one entire Word of God people miss the reality of God working for our salvation and the true meaning of Jesus Christ and Him being the lamb of God who takes away our sins.

                          justme
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