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    There is a movement to establish “marriage equality” between gay and straight people by legalizing marriage between two people of the same sex. Is the restriction of marriage to a man and a woman just an arbitrary rule or is there some fundamental reason why two members of the same sex can’t marry each other?

    Marriage has one purpose that is often overlooked.

    Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

    Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.


    In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body.

    “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.
    Ephesians 5:22-32 ESV
    The church is a body made up of all whose sins have been forgiven because of their faith in Christ. The relationship between a husband and wife is intended to reflect the relationship between Christ and the church. The husband represents Christ and the wife represents the church. A union between two men or two women is not an accurate picture of the relationship.

    The government can pass laws that call a relationship between two members of the same sex a marriage but it will not be a true marriage in God’s sight. But the Bible reveals a way in which some gays will experience marriage equality.

    The Bible calls the church the bride of Christ. Whoever is saved by believing in Christ becomes part of the church. One day church will be complete and then what is now only a metaphor will become a reality.

    Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out,
    “Hallelujah!
    For the Lord our God
    the Almighty reigns.
    Let us rejoice and exult
    and give him the glory,
    for the marriage of the Lamb has come,
    and his Bride has made herself ready;
    it was granted her to clothe herself
    with fine linen, bright and pure”—
    for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
    Revelation 19:6-8 ESV
    The ultimate destiny of all Christians is to experience the true Marriage of which marriages between a man and a woman are only a picture. Many of those who are part of this Marriage will have had a preview of it by being married in this life; many will not. The joy of being part of the real Marriage will be so great no one will care what their marital status was before. Gays who have put their faith in Christ will experience exactly the same thing that straights will.

    For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    Galatians 3:27-28 ESV
    And in Christ there is neither gay nor straight.

    The way to achieve marriage equality for gays is not to change laws but to evangelize gays so they will be part of the real Marriage.

    Clyde Herrin's Blog

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    There are no "gays" in Christ. Theophilus, you're abusing Galatians 3:27-28.
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    • #3
      For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
      Galatians 3:27-28 ESV

      In context, this verse means all Christians are equal heirs of the promises to Abraham. Judean believers don't get more access to God than Greek believers. Free men don't have more salvation than slaves. Women don't have to ride a husband's coattail to get into Heaven. Liars use this verse to defend female pastors. This verse has nothing to do with the roles of men and women.

      This verse also has nothing to do with sodomites. Only if a man repents of sodomy can he be a member of God's church. To simply say there is no "there is neither gay nor straight" in the context of this verse is to make a connection where there is no connection. And, it also implies that sodomy isn't sin, as the verse has nothing to do with sin.



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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
        And, it also implies that sodomy isn't sin, as the verse has nothing to do with sin.
        Sodomy is a sin. Being gay is not a sin. It is simply a condition in which a person is tempted to commit sodomy but only the act of yielding to the temptation is a sin.

        A straight person is sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex. He must choose whether to yield to the temptation and sin or to resist the temptation and live in obedience to God.

        A gay person is sexually attracted to others of the same sex and faces the same kind of choice a straight person does. Some choose to follow their desires and live a gay lifestyle; other choose to obey God and abstain from sin. If you want a first hand account of the experiences of someone in the second category I recommend that you read Washed and Waiting by Wesley Hill. You can find a description of the book here: Washed and Waiting: the story of a gay Christian -Christforums

        Hill is one of many gay people who have chosen to follow Christ. He an others like him have a blog called spiritualfriendship.org.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by theophilus View Post
          Sodomy is a sin. Being gay is not a sin. It is simply a condition in which a person is tempted to commit sodomy but only the act of yielding to the temptation is a sin.
          Jesus taught that to lust after a woman is adultery. Sin is in the heart, not the act. Crime is in the act. Jesus dismissed the good acts of the pharisees because they were sinful on the inside. Whitewashed tombs, he called them. White (virtuous) on the outside, dead on the inside.

          "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you." Not, some of you are.

          No, a sodomite does not face the same kind of choice a straight person does. First, there is practically no such thing as a same-sex attraction that's equivalent to heterosexual attraction. This was demonstrated in a study published just this week on high school students. Sodomite students are nearly twice as likely to produce pregnancy than sexualy active straight students. They're not really homosexual, they're sexually unrestrained. They also have no genes or sexual organs designed for sodomy. They have no religion that teaches them sodomy. And, until recently, they had no Hollywood entertainment to encourage sodomy.

          I don't know of any Christians who call themselves adulterers just because they're attracted to others, so why do you call Christians who have homosexual thoughts happy, uh, gay? To do so legitimizes homosexual acts, whether you recognize that or not. And a godly man doesn't struggle with adulterous urges. He gets married and keeps his mind on his wife (I'm very sure that a man who struggles with homosexual feelings can have a happy and relieving marriage to a woman) . And, if he's not married, he keeps his mind on God, work, and other things. Adultery, even if just in the mind, is a choice.

          The standard for a Christian is nothing less than perfection. While we fall short of that standard, we should never lower that standard. And, for the most part, those who struggle with sinful thoughts and desires do so because they want to. Like an obese woman eating cake, she says she doesn't want to be fat, but she wants to eat the cake. She wants the moment of pleasure, even if it brings a lifetime of pain. If she really doesn't want to be fat, don't eat the cake. It is a choice. Her food cravings are no different from lustful craving, if she would replace the cake with something wholesome, her cravings for cake would go away.

          Wesley Hill has problems, and his "gayness" is just the tip if the iceberg. An obese woman who can't put down the cake also has psychological and tactical problems beyond obesity. Wesley Hill needs help, but he's not going to get it from an anti-Christian culture that refuses to help homosexuals nor from the modern church which is too inept to provide help.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
            No, a sodomite does not face the same kind of choice a straight person does. First, there is practically no such thing as a same-sex attraction that's equivalent to heterosexual attraction. This was demonstrated in a study published just this week on high school students. Sodomite students are nearly twice as likely to produce pregnancy than sexualy active straight students. They're not really homosexual, they're sexually unrestrained. They also have no genes or sexual organs designed for sodomy. They have no religion that teaches them sodomy. And, until recently, they had no Hollywood entertainment to encourage sodomy.
            My post is not about sodomites, it is about gay people. There are gays who choose not to commit sodomy, just as there are straits who choose not to commit adultery or fornication.

            I don't know of any Christians who call themselves adulterers just because they're attracted to others, so why do you call Christians who have homosexual thoughts happy, uh, gay?
            For the same reason I say that Christians who have heterosexual thoughts are straight.

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