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    Pastor to Preside over Transgender Renaming Ceremony

    A Baptist minister will preside over a transgender name-changing ceremony at the church he pastors in south London.

    According to ChristianToday.com, the event will take place during the normal Sunday morning worship service at Oasis church in Waterloo. Pastor Steve Chalke will lead the service.

    Parishioners will be present to witness the name-changing ceremony of Luke, a transgender individual who transitioned from being a woman to being a man.

    During the service, which will be filmed by the BBC, Luke will tell his story before being prayed for, renamed, and presented with a Bible with his new name written in it.

    Chalke says that before transitioning into a male, Luke attended Oasis for seven years as a woman.

    Chalke gave him high praise, saying that Luke is "a totally committed Christian – a fantastic guy. He's the kind of person you'd die for being in your church. There are some people that are there on a Sunday and there are some people that are really there. They are committed to God's kingdom – they are committed for living out their life for Christ and he is one of those."

    Oasis is very welcoming to transgenders. A transgender individual named Ruth who became a woman was recently baptized in the church. In Ruth’s testimony, she shared how she always felt drawn to identify as a female.

    Chalke also noted that both Luke and Ruth discovered they were born inter-sex and their parents had to make a decision whether to raise them as a male or female.

    Source: Pastor to Preside over Transgender Renaming Ceremony - Christian News Headlines

    #2
    Actually, in THIS situation, there may be some legitimacy, simply due to the Intersex thing. If your parents find you born with boy-parts and girl-parts, and choose one, and later you begin to know that they chose the wrong one, what the heck would you do?

    Its the "regular" transgenders that bother me. A guy that was born a normal Dude in all respects, and suddenly wants to cut off his favourite toy, he needs severe psychiatric and psychological guidance, and most likely some powerful meds!
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      #3
      I am guessing this is at a rather liberal church, as any conservative church that preaches the full counsel of God would not support this kind of action in any way.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Knotical View Post
        I am guessing this is at a rather liberal church, as any conservative church that preaches the full counsel of God would not support this kind of action in any way.
        I'm guessing you are straight on, it would not happen in a Church I attended.
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          #5
          Sorry folks but I just cannot support this in any church, anymore than I can gays. I don't hate them, but I don't accept that what they do is right, it's not, not if u believe and accept God's word.
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            #6
            We should realize that people who practice transgender are suffering from a disorder. They are not normal and there is no cure to the disorder. It's a very rare situation and when it happens I can support it because they didn't choose to be born that way.
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              #7
              I appreciate that this church accepts people as their own without criticizing them. All over the world transgenders are not much respected but with the help of creating awareness and all they are slowly coming out from the red light and concentrating on education, police department and much more.
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                #8
                Originally posted by William View Post
                A Baptist minister will preside over a transgender name-changing ceremony at the church he pastors in south London.

                According to ChristianToday.com, the event will take place during the normal Sunday morning worship service at Oasis church in Waterloo. Pastor Steve Chalke will lead the service.

                Parishioners will be present to witness the name-changing ceremony of Luke, a transgender individual who transitioned from being a woman to being a man.

                During the service, which will be filmed by the BBC, Luke will tell his story before being prayed for, renamed, and presented with a Bible with his new name written in it.

                Chalke says that before transitioning into a male, Luke attended Oasis for seven years as a woman.

                Chalke gave him high praise, saying that Luke is "a totally committed Christian – a fantastic guy. He's the kind of person you'd die for being in your church. There are some people that are there on a Sunday and there are some people that are really there. They are committed to God's kingdom – they are committed for living out their life for Christ and he is one of those."

                Oasis is very welcoming to transgenders. A transgender individual named Ruth who became a woman was recently baptized in the church. In Ruth’s testimony, she shared how she always felt drawn to identify as a female.

                Chalke also noted that both Luke and Ruth discovered they were born inter-sex and their parents had to make a decision whether to raise them as a male or female.

                Source: Pastor to Preside over Transgender Renaming Ceremony - Christian News Headlines
                Ewwww! Sorry. I'm not trying to be condescending. My disgust came only with two letters to describe the whole situation. But I feel love and empathy for these precious life in these young people of what the future holds for them.

                This is what came to my mind: "Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of man’s heart was continually only evil." Genesis 5:5.

                The days are evil as in the days of Noah.
                Last edited by PsalmOneCares; 06-01-2017, 06:47 PM.
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                  #9
                  So medically intersex individuals, whose parents choose their gender as children because it was unclear, have revealed that their actual gender is different as adults? They should not have to live as the wrong gender as adults because their parents picked wrong when they were babies. In this case I don't see a problem with going through a renaming ceremony in the church.

                  From the article:
                  ...her parents said 'We'd never told you this but when you were born, you were inter-sex and we had to make a choice.'"

                  These are not transexual or transgender individuals no matter what the article says, they are intersex, and I do wish the media would stop pretending that group don't exist and lumping them in with people of one gender who are physically healthy and went through surgery to become the other gender by choice. These people had surgery that made them the wrong physical sex as babies at their parent's choice and are now correcting the issue.

                  I wish them all the best.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by William View Post
                    A Baptist minister will preside over a transgender name-changing ceremony at the church he pastors in south London.

                    According to ChristianToday.com, the event will take place during the normal Sunday morning worship service at Oasis church in Waterloo. Pastor Steve Chalke will lead the service.

                    Parishioners will be present to witness the name-changing ceremony of Luke, a transgender individual who transitioned from being a woman to being a man.

                    During the service, which will be filmed by the BBC, Luke will tell his story before being prayed for, renamed, and presented with a Bible with his new name written in it.

                    Chalke says that before transitioning into a male, Luke attended Oasis for seven years as a woman.

                    Chalke gave him high praise, saying that Luke is "a totally committed Christian – a fantastic guy. He's the kind of person you'd die for being in your church. There are some people that are there on a Sunday and there are some people that are really there. They are committed to God's kingdom – they are committed for living out their life for Christ and he is one of those."

                    Oasis is very welcoming to transgenders. A transgender individual named Ruth who became a woman was recently baptized in the church. In Ruth’s testimony, she shared how she always felt drawn to identify as a female.

                    Chalke also noted that both Luke and Ruth discovered they were born inter-sex and their parents had to make a decision whether to raise them as a male or female.

                    Source: Pastor to Preside over Transgender Renaming Ceremony - Christian News Headlines
                    The horror of all this is far from over but our children will have no moral values. Neither will they follow after Christ. The end of this dispensation is right here. The church is no longer the church that Jesus founded.


                    om us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

                    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Th 2:2-4

                    Why do I say to those who will hear, Put no faith in the politics of Babylon.

                    There are no denominations in Gods kingdom. Paul said know ye not the ye are the Temple and the spirit of God is in you. How can we trust the church to stand for Christ.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mitchel View Post
                      The church is no longer the church that Jesus founded.
                      Are you suggesting that the Church of Christ has failed to defend and prevail against the gates of Hades?

                      What I see are apostate churches that have abandoned the truth. That is, if they ever had an ounce of orthodoxy to begin with.

                      God bless,
                      William
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by William View Post

                        Are you suggesting that the Church of Christ has failed to defend and prevail against the gates of Hades?

                        What I see are apostate churches that have abandoned the truth. That is, if they ever had an ounce of orthodoxy to begin with.

                        God bless,
                        William
                        Not all who say Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven.
                        The true bride is like a field planted with wheat but over night the enemy sowed tares. When morning came the workers ran and told the husbandman saying should we go and pull out the weeds. The master said wait to the harvest lest you may root up some of the good also.
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                          #13
                          Pastor Steve Chalke is a Baptist and a supporter of gay marriage. That makes him an apostate, one who will be cast out by Christ. Yet he is highly regarded amongst men, he hobnobs with politicians, being the founder of a "charity" (for which read "business") named OasisUK that now employs over 5,000 staff as well as working with thousands more volunteers. Oasis has:
                          • A passion to include everyone
                          • A desire to treat everyone equally,


                          In other words, OasisUK aims for a socialist utopia. It appears to be an offshoot of the Labour party. OasisUK asserts that "Oasis UK is inspired and motivated by the life, teaching and example of Jesus." Jesus was not however political or inclusive, except in offering all the opportunity to repent. Jesus did not set up any charities, or preach a cultural marxist message. He did not advocate treating all equally. He preached a religious message, but Steve Chalke preaches a socialist and communist message.

                          Steve Chalke has exchanged the religion of Jesis for the false god of socialism. He is a pharisee of whom John said "For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." Jn 12;43.

                          Steve Chalke’s poisoned ‘Oasis Church’ | Take Heed Ministries
                          Last edited by outlawState; 08-20-2017, 02:17 PM.
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                            #14
                            A baby who's born with both male/ female genitalia -- a decision has to be made by someone -- isn't it usually a specialist? If there's a uterus , etc.

                            But a renaming ceremony in a church due to a sex change? No.

                            A baby being born with the mixture -- as a parent, I'd possibly give that child a name that could be Either sex // Jean or Gene for instance. or 'Pat' -- Patricia or Patrick.

                            But changing sex completely -- No -- there are problems that need to be dealt with in totally different ways.
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                              #15
                              In the cases up here, someone did make a decision and that person got it wrong, to the detriment of the children. There is also the interesting case of the Guevedoces in the Dominican Republic, who are born female and change physical sex at puberty due to a genetic condition. In these cases, I don't see why they should not be welcomed to the church under their new name.

                              Originally posted by Sue D. View Post
                              A baby who's born with both male/ female genitalia -- a decision has to be made by someone -- isn't it usually a specialist? If there's a uterus , etc.
                              Nowadays that is actually discouraged because of the number of times the specialists got it wrong (or chromosomal gender doesn't match the organs present). The suggested treatment is about exposing the child to both male and female influences and seeing what gender the child naturally expresses, letting them go naturally towards that as they grow and treating them as that gender, followed with later life (often post-puberty) corrective surgery if needed once they know which gender the child actually is. The consequences of a specialist choosing wrong early are horrific, and often result in suicides or the victim having to transition when they are older to replace correct organs that were removed. They used to let parents or specialists pick, but then you get people who really wanted a boy even when if left to develop alone the intersex child would have been functionally female.

                              Contrast that to the treatment of transexuals, where the specialists insist it is better to find out as early as possible, then push that gender's interests on the child, followed by early medical treatment and surgical transitioning, in some cases before puberty. (Because the body is healthy, the biological changes it will make are known, which means they have to stop a normal, known, process rather than, in the case of intersexuals, discovering what genetics apply and correcting the broken parts).
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