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  • Gary Johnson Talks Hillary and Trump: “This is the demise of the Republican Party.”

    Gary Johnson has been on the rise. There's no denying that fact, and the only ones seemingly ignoring this are the two major parties. It hasn't stopped Johnson from talking about them, however.

    Even after biking around 15 miles, uphill for huevos rancheros and an interview with John Harwood, Johnson was still ready to talk about this election, the two parties, his party, and the future of all three. During the interview, the Libertarian candidate has some interesting things to say.

    Harwood began by asking Johnson about Donald Trump now being the figurehead of Johnson's former party.

    "Do you see Trump as a freak event within the Republican Party? Or does his emergence say something about where the Republican Party has gravitated to?" asked Harwood.

    "He's tapped into that anger. But that is not, in my opinion, representative of the majority of the Republican Party," said Johnson. "And where's that representation? Well, I think it's me. I think it's me right now. It's the Libertarian Party. It's a big six-lane highway down the middle that Bill Weld and myself are occupying."

    What Johnson is saying here may be pretty accurate. Many of those who left the Republican party, or have pledged to never vote for someone like Trump, have found their way to the Libertarian party. While many, including myself, don't agree with Johnson 100%, we're still finding him a breath of fresh air in an election otherwise polluted with horrible candidates.

    Later Harwood asked what would happen once Hillary is elected, and with Johnson having such a solid showing. Johnson, while obviously seeing the Republican party as ultimately good, sees it ending.

    "Let's say Hillary Clinton's elected, and you have a solid showing. Trump loses. Where does the Republican Party go after that?" asked Harwood.

    "This is the demise of the Republican Party," answered Johnson. "This is an opportunity, I think, for the Libertarian Party to become a major party."

    While we might be years away from a Libertarian party becoming the new bastion of the right, it has been discussed that Clinton attaining the White House would mean the final nail in the coffin for the Republican party as we know it. Many, including myself publicly in one infamous article, have given up the party for lost when it was clear a man who clearly isn't Republican was selected as its nominee.

    Once Trump abandons the party and uses it has his scapegoat for losing, he'll definitely leave the party in a very weakened state. Depending on who picks up the reigns after him will matter greatly. It might be Ted Cruz, who has definitely set himself up as a sort of "other" within the party. Perhaps it will be fresh faces such as Ben Sasse, or favorites such as Rand Paul. No matter who becomes the new leader, he or she will have a very long slog uphill to rebuild a Republican party that has been demoralized, and destroyed.

    The Libertarian party, however, will likely gain strength regardless. With so many having already arrived here from the sinking Republican ship, it seems like good soil to start a brand new party that espouses the principles many on the right want. Less government in pretty much everything.

    No matter how you slice it, both the Libertarian party and the Republican party are going to change. Maybe both for the better.

    Source: Gary Johnson Talks Hillary and Trump: "This is the demise of the Republican Party."

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    Hi William, I guess my question is this, will there be a party in the future for those of us who are conservative socially/morally, because as important as living in a society that upholds conservative principles is to me personally, I believe the continued existence of our civilization depends upon it. The weakening and then loss of the social moors that govern the direction of a society has always been a huge part of that which precedes the fall of a civilization :eek:

    In Christ,
    David
    Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

    "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

    "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

    "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

    "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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    • #3
      Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
      Hi William, I guess my question is this, will there be a party in the future for those of us who are conservative socially/morally, because as important as living in a society that upholds conservative principles is to me personally, I believe the continued existence of our civilization depends upon it. The weakening and then loss of the social moors that govern the direction of a society has always been a huge part of that which precedes the fall of a civilization :eek:

      In Christ,
      David
      I am beginning to lean out of Politics and into Christian Theonomy: What Is "Theonomy"? -Christforums

      Those who do not favor taking God's law as the ultimate standard for civil morality and public justice will be forced to substitute some other criterion. The civil magistrate cannot function without some standard of good and evil. If that standard is not the revealed law of God, then in some form or expression it will have to be a law of men -- the standard of self-law or autonomy. Men must choose in their civil affairs to be governed by God's law (theonomy), to be ruled by tyrants, or acquiesce to increasing social degeneracy.
      God bless,
      William
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      • #4
        Thanks William, the problem with choosing to, acquiesce to increasing social degeneracy, is that history has shown us that such a society will always fall, and when the dust clears, guess who ends up running the place .. tyrants :(

        So there really is only one choice for a free society :)
        Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

        "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

        "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

        "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

        "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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        • #5
          Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
          will there be a party in the future for those of us who are conservative socially/morally, because as important as living in a society that upholds conservative principles is to me personally, I believe the continued existence of our civilization depends upon it. The weakening and then loss of the social moors that govern the direction of a society has always been a huge part of that which precedes the fall of a civilization
          Well it is not really looking like anything is trending that way. Everywhere I look I see the eroding of traditional values, and while I am not the most conservative of person when it comes to social issues, I think it would be foolish to ignore these and think that they do not have pretty drastic effects on our society. It is a difficult thing to see, too, because it goes against a lot of things that I learned from my family and the people I love. It is interesting, though, I must say that. Thanks for sharing.
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          • #6
            I don't know if I completely agree. I think Trump has already changed the Republican party, even if the majority of the party doesn't actually support him. We know that the Republican part is so far removed from its base because of how many options they threw at us at the beginning of this election. They all failed to capture the people's attention which was the huger problem. Trump isn't the problem, he's the symptom of a bigger epidemic of snobbery of Republicans who aren't relatable anymore. Trump has already drastically changed the Republican party because they were already weak, they were weak four years ago. I do kind of agree that if Trump loses, that the Republican party might be replaced by a Libertarian party but they might also take this to reinvent their image. Johnson had a point that the majority of the Republican party isn't angry but Republicans (us non-politicians) sure as heck are. That anger has been fueling the Trump Train from the beginning. The Republican parties and nominees failure to tap into that anger is why they lost. The thing that I think he missed is that I don't think it's just the Republicans that have changed, I think the Democratic party will also have to change in response to him and if he does win, will end up changing even further.
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