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    According to Fox News, Ted Cruz has set a record for the most Iowa caucus votes of any candidate ever!

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    • #3
      I think Trump jumped the shark when he commented that he could shoot someone and not lose votes.
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      • #4
        Well...I was surprised to see Ted Cruz' win. Ideally, I would like to see a Presidential race between two people of integrity. That would leave The Klingons* out on the Democrat side (because they are Big Money Oligarchs). In the Republican corner, Trump suits me because he is true to himself and isn't into BS. (Trump's integrity is like that of Howard Stern's...not moral but congruent.) Ben Carson also seems like a man of integrity.

        Anyway, it is still early. Let's see what happens in my favorite vacation state, New Hampshire.

        PermaFrost

        *That would be Bill & Hillary
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        • #5
          Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
          Ideally, I would like to see a Presidential race between two people of integrity.
          Who wouldn't? And there lies the rub. I can't stand it, personally, when I hear people nominate a politician while suggesting it is a choice between the lesser of two evils. Or, when they excuse the actions of a politician by suggesting they are just a politician as if that is what politicians do and they are excused from any moral standard. I am voting for Ted Cruz for his voting record. I am comfortable with him, thinking, there will be no surprises in the future. I expect that he will be an active opponent to abortion. And I believe his restraint will be the intent of our forefather's wishes as framed by the Constitution. I wish Ben Carson was younger, because I wouldn't mind seeing him develop experience and a voting a record.

          Haven't been to New Hampshire yet. By the way, love your screen name - PermaFrost. Sounds like a super hero :cool:

          God bless,
          William
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          • #6
            Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
            Trump suits me because he is true to himself and isn't into BS. (Trump's integrity is like that of Howard Stern's...not moral but congruent.)
            Moral isn't a required quality for you in a presidential candidate?

            Trump isn't so true, he's just refreshing non-groveling.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
              Moral isn't a required quality for you in a presidential candidate?
              Morality is wonderful but in very limited supply in all people, let alone politicians! Integrity is a type of secular compass: the man of integrity can be trusted to follow his ideas, be true to his word and so on. Integrity is the best I can hope for in a person running for office.


              Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
              Trump's integrity is like that of Howard Stern's...not moral but congruent.
              Now do you understand what I meant by the above? By the way, on the Democrat side, Bernie Sanders is a man of integrity.


              PermaFrost


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              • #8
                Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                Now do you understand what I meant by the above? By the way, on the Democrat side, Bernie Sanders is a man of integrity.

                Sanders is an Atheist-Jew socialist nut with no chance of winning. It's interesting that you call him and Trump men of integrity, but not Rand Paul, the most fiscally conservative of all the candidates, as well as consistently conservative in his morality. That later trait you give him no credit for on the grounds that morality is in short supply in all people, emphases yours.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cornelius View Post



                  Sanders is an Atheist-Jew socialist nut with no chance of winning. It's interesting that you call him and Trump men of integrity, but not Rand Paul, the most fiscally conservative of all the candidates, as well as consistently conservative in his morality.

                  You don't seem to grasp the difference between integrity and morality. They are similar but not the same; they're like heading and bearing. Or like car and truck. Use whatever analogy works for you, or think of one yourself.

                  It is impossible to be a «biblically» moral person without integrity. However, it is possible to have integrity without a Christ-centered/Bible-based morality. Until you understand this, you will continue to misunderstand my posts on this topic.

                  Focus! ...and avoid emotional answers.


                  PermaFrost


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                    You don't seem to grasp the difference between integrity and morality. They are similar but not the same; they're like heading and bearing. Or like car and truck. Use whatever analogy works for you, or think of one yourself.
                    Bearing and heading came into English as complete synonyms (although they tend to be measured in different terms). Your car and truck analogy is even more confusing.

                    Regardless of what you're trying to say, someone can't have integrity without morality. Trump lacks integrity.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                      Regardless of what you're trying to say, someone can't have integrity without morality. Trump lacks integrity.

                      I don't care about Trump one way or another. Cruz is fine with me ...«Cruz for Jews» as some Jewish groups say. I'm happy with that. I'll look into Cruz a little more now that he won in Iowa, and I also saw that YouTube clip William posted about him in another thread.

                      Regarding words that are synonyms, there are always distinctions between them for those able to distinguish. In any event, I never spoke of synonyms, you did. However, bearing is no more a synonym of heading than car is of truck! LOL ... You may want to consider getting a dictionary to look up these words to see for yourself.

                      As for having integrity without morality, you are wrong. Dead wrong...but that's off topic.

                      PermaFrost
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                        I don't care about Trump one way or another. Cruz is fine with me ...«Cruz for Jews» as some Jewish groups say. I'm happy with that.
                        As for me, I'm a Christian. I want a candidate for Christians. I've argued elsewhere around here that any conservative values that Cruz has is undone by his anti-Christian theology. President Cruz, like Bush, will only further De-christianize America and increase persecution of Christians around the word. Trump, on the other hand, won't drag down Christians the way Cruz would, because while Trump isn't much of a Christian, he's not much of an anti-Christian either, and no on is going to blame conservatives and Christians for Trump's failures (e.g. Trump won't cost Republicans control of Congress, but Cruz will).

                        Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                        Regarding words that are synonyms, there are always distinctions between them for those able to distinguish. In any event, I never spoke of synonyms, you did.
                        You argued that someone can have integrity without being moral, and then you offered the synonyms of heading and bearing as a nonsensical analogy to explain your nonsensical position. Someone can't have integrity without morality. Someone can't have a heading without a bearing.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                          You argued that someone can have integrity without being moral, and then you offered the synonyms of heading and bearing as a nonsensical analogy to explain your nonsensical position. Someone can't have integrity without morality. Someone can't have a heading without a bearing.
                          You're wrong. Wrong Big Time. Look up the definitions of bearing, heading, morality and integrity. You really need to do this. Otherwise, any further discussion on this matter is pointless. (Not to mention that you won't be able to understand my comments below...)


                          Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                          As for me, I'm a Christian. I want a candidate for Christians...
                          I'm Christian too. Trump is fine with me as well. Trump is the candidate most conservative Jewish groups favor. I'd like to see a Presidential race between men of integrity. Bernie Sanders is such a man, and so is Trump. A Sanders/Trump race would be...fun!



                          PermaFrost




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                          • #14
                            I wouldn't consider a man that brags about having people in his back pocket (bribes) or lies about his church membership status to be a man of integrity - speaking of Trump.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by William View Post
                              I wouldn't consider a man that brags about having people in his back pocket (bribes) or lies about his church membership status to be a man of integrity - speaking of Trump.
                              You, like Cornelius, are probably defining integrity along Christian lines. Look up the definition in a dictionary or online. The definition of integrity is purely secular, which is why I said right from the beginning that Trump had the same type of integrity as Howard Stern. Read it again:

                              Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                              ...I would like to see a Presidential race between two people of integrity. That would leave The Klingons out on the Democrat side ... In the Republican corner, Trump suits me because he is true to himself and isn't into BS. (Trump's integrity is like that of Howard Stern's...not moral but congruent.)
                              People of integrity - be they atheists or Muslims or whatever - act according to values they have adopted and consider «worthwhile», for lack of a better term. I pointed this out earlier as well:

                              Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                              It is impossible to be a «biblically» moral person without integrity. However, it is possible to have integrity without a Christ-centered/Bible-based morality.

                              This thread is about a secular subject - politics - and none of the candidates appear to be born-of-the-Spirit Christians. That's why I'm sticking to secular definitions.


                              PermaFrost
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