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  • Are you consistent in Church?

    I think as Christians as much as we can we should be consistent in the Church activities. I feel it's ungodly missing services over flimsy excuses. We should always remember not to forget the assembly of brethren and also remember that as iron sharpens iron so our faith sharpen each other's own.

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    I never stop praying since I became member of the Church in 1980 and I always in the Church for any activities or conferences we have. It is a part of my duty to magnify my calling in the Church to set an example to the members of the Church and the nonmembers as well. I feel happy when I am involved in the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a great feeling I have had when I could bring back those persons who have been led stray by disbelief or backsliding or being innocent of the truth. By being active in the Church, I could in the service of teaching them, and baptizing them.
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    • #3
      Church is a part of worshiping God. I find worshiping with other Followers so wonderful. The Music is so uplifting, and the opening of the WORD of God is the feeding of my soul. I do not think for one second that Chruch even comes close to filling my starving soul. I am responsible for my spiritual growth and the feeding of my soul. Therefore, it is my choice o pray and be studding the Bible. I know God speaks to me mainly by reading His Words to me. Without church or my personal study and prayer I wouls spiritually die, or I grow, its all up to me.

      After reading my view points what do you think?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by justme View Post
        Without church or my personal study and prayer I wouls spiritually die, or I grow, its all up to me.
        The above seemingly appears works related (synergism). Lemme ask you, how do you reconcile what you wrote with 1 Corinthians 3:6? 1 Corinthians 3:6 clearly is monergistic, yet your statement is synergistic.

        God bless,
        William
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        • #5
          Originally posted by William View Post

          The above seemingly appears works related (synergism). Lemme ask you, how do you reconcile what you wrote with 1 Corinthians 3:6? 1 Corinthians 3:6 clearly is monergistic, yet your statement is synergistic.

          God bless,
          William
          God makes us grow, If we are so inclined to do so. The research tells us that only about 20% of all Christian ever read the Bible. Only about 10% read it once a month. This indicates many are not making the choice to follow the leading or pleading of the Holy Spirit. This all boils down to personal choice. God causes growth if we permit him to do so. I think this is why most, genuine followers of Christ grow while so many are pew sitters always learning but never able to instruct someone how to become a born again follower of Jesus Christ.
          I am sorry but the two words you use "synergism and synergist" I do not understand, could you explain?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by justme View Post

            God makes us grow, If we are so inclined to do so. The research tells us that only about 20% of all Christian ever read the Bible. Only about 10% read it once a month. This indicates many are not making the choice to follow the leading or pleading of the Holy Spirit. This all boils down to personal choice. God causes growth if we permit him to do so. I think this is why most, genuine followers of Christ grow while so many are pew sitters always learning but never able to instruct someone how to become a born again follower of Jesus Christ.
            I am sorry but the two words you use "synergism and synergist" I do not understand, could you explain?
            Synergism, in general, may be defined as two or more agents working together to produce a result not obtainable by any of the agents independently. The word synergy or synergism comes from two Greek words, erg meaning to work and syn meaning together, hence synergism is a "working together."

            Monergism (Greek mono meaning "one" and erg meaning "work") is a term for the belief that the Holy Spirit is the only agent who effects regeneration of Christians. This view, held by Reformed and Calvinistic groups, sees salvation as the work of God alone, from first to last. He has chosen in eternity past whom He will save out of lost humanity (often referred to as the elect), and in His timing He will bring the elect to faith through the work of the Spirit for the sake of the Son, and save them forever to the praise of His glorious grace (Romans 8:29f). This is opposed to the synergistic view as held by Arminianism and its theological predecessor Semi-Pelagianism where salvation is seen as a cooperative effort between God and man.

            God bless,
            William
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            • #7
              Thank you very much. I will have to give this some more deeper thought. Very honestly I find myself sort of in-between the two thoughts. In our last church our pastor did not believe a Christian could become carnal, you know not stop believing but what old time Baptist called "BACKSLIDING". I did not agree with him and we agreed, or at least I did, to agree to disagree. However he seemed so strong in his thinking he became somewhat disagreeable with me and my wife. At one point he quit giving alter calls at the end of his sermons. That was rally too much for us and we left. I believe that is hyper- Calvinism.

              Now here I my dilemma; I do not totally agree with Arminianism either. I have some points I agree with both. I know the deeper thoughts of our faith have things we name, but thank God we don't have to actually make choice where we stand before we become "FOLLOWERS".

              Honestly I am trying to spend most of my time praying and reading Scripture rather than theology. I am 71 and my health is quite poor and my doctor's and specialist's are amazed I have lived this many years. My wife is truly my best friend and care giver. We have 4 adult children, 11 grandchildren and 1 great grandson all but two are within 20 miles of our home. We make a big effort to be ready to help in ways we can. This at times is a very full week in tending to their requests. In turn they are just a phone call away for us. I think this allows us to minister Christ's love where its needed most, we have a true ministry as well.

              justme

              Gods rich Blessings to you William
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              • #8
                Originally posted by justme View Post
                At one point he quit giving alter calls at the end of his sermons. That was rally too much for us and we left.
                Just some explanation:

                Paul Washer is a Five Point Calvinist:



                David Pratt is a Five Point Calvinist:



                John McArthur is a Five Point Calvinist



                God bless,
                William
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                • #9
                  These men all have a place where people can go after the final hymn for prayer, becoming a follower, or join the church. I was wanting to know how they did this at John's church. So I called there and that was what I was told. They fully understand people respond after a sermon. They may not call it an invitation but they do this with great dignity which I agree with. My pastor did not do anything, that is the big issue with me. I hope this gives you deeper detail I left out. Thanks for your post.


                  Justme
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by justme View Post
                    These men all have a place where people can go after the final hymn for prayer, becoming a follower, or join the church. I was wanting to know how they did this at John's church. So I called there and that was what I was told. They fully understand people respond after a sermon. They may not call it an invitation but they do this with great dignity which I agree with. My pastor did not do anything, that is the big issue with me. I hope this gives you deeper detail I left out. Thanks for your post.


                    Justme
                    It does give me deeper insight and detail, Justme. As you can see from the videos that I posted, an Altar call is quite different than an invitation to new attendees for membership into the church.

                    I dunno about others, but in my church it began with such a simple inquiry. We moved on to an orientation class, then a meeting before our church's elders, and then finally a public ceremony before the congregation. Behind the scenes, we were brought up to the congregation in a session, and in an exchange between members and the elders were an opportunity for any objections to be presented before our reception ceremony. This was a month long or little more process.

                    There were some deep questions, and my wife even choked up at times and shed some tears. Some tough questions were asked, and some tough answers were said. But thankfully our elders were satisfied.

                    God bless,
                    William
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                    • #11
                      here are invitations, and alter calls, and responding to the Message God has given to a "REAL MESSENGER".

                      Ever been in a service where at the end the speaker ( I use this term rather than Preacher or pastor for hucksters) says If God has spoken to your heart just raise your hand so I can pray for you. Then he or she says we must be willing to show we man business for God, so if you really are sincere that stand up for Jesus so I know who I am praying for. Then its if you are not just playing with Gods heart I want you to come down and openly prove your love for Jesus. All this time the lights are dim and music is playing softly "just as I am" over and over as many as ten times. Then when you go down He has you say a prayer along as he directs your words. Ay people stand singing the final verse of the hymn for the fifth time, he asks those left standing to quietly go out to the are where his or her books and tapes or Cds and his latest series of messages on how to get rich are. After the people who did not come forward leave he then puts the big push on these poor souls who are desperately seeking God for real. Now they are told how they can be blessed and their blessings and financial problems will soon be over and even you or you family will be healed if you step out and prove to God you really mean business with following God. This all happens by empting your wallet or purse, writing a check or using a credit card so God can bless you as he has other's who followed this proven path to wholeness and so forth.

                      These leaches and utter black spots on God who deserve the hottest part of hell have shipwrecked so many people possible openness to the Gospel. One only has to look at the rich lifestyles of these TV hucksters to identify these wolves in sheep's skins. This has many forms that have worked into the church that must stop.


                      Justme
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by justme View Post
                        These leaches and utter black spots on God who deserve the hottest part of hell have shipwrecked so many people possible openness to the Gospel. One only has to look at the rich lifestyles of these TV hucksters to identify these wolves in sheep's skins. This has many forms that have worked into the church that must stop.
                        And it just so happens that these wolves in sheep's clothing belong to Charismatic movements. Every example on TV that I see belong to the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. And of course, if anyone "dare" stand up and criticize these people, they'll insinuate that the criticizer is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Some people do not even pause before blaming the Holy Spirit for horrible interpretation and practices. It is blasphemous to invoke the Holy Spirit’s name to justify any kind of foolish doctrines or fleshly behavior or false prophecy. Three things that really are the shining banner of the Charismatic movement. Why does the Charismatic movement find root in the fertile ground of Pentecostalism? Could it be emotionalism? Are emotions the door which people enter to manipulate?

                        God bless,
                        William
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                        • #13
                          Often they attract the people whit little or no real formal education, or just good old simple folks seem to associate with these two groups. I see people with limited ability to read and comprehend give all they have for false hope. Their hope to rid themselves of cancer, serious health issues, financial burdens they will never be able to free themselves except by bankruptcy. These dear souls looking for a god that hands out answers and takes care of all their problems and heals all their illnesses. This is done of course by feeding the greedy dirt sucking huckster who is no more a speaker for the LORD than the rocks in my back yard. They have totally destroyed many souls faith, oh how my heart goes out for these poor people that took the bait of a false gospel. May God have mercy on these poor people. May Gods Judgment come on these false gospel liars.

                          grace, and mercy,


                          Justme
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                          • #14
                            I think it all comes down to personal opinion.., I don't think its necessary for Christians to go to church at all, you could have you're own church in you're spare bedroom..Things that can be done in church can be done alone, and in other places.. the church is a blessing for Christians to go and pray, learn and express joy to our god, however I would say that reading the bible & praying would be 100% necessary to be considered a Christian,.. leading a Christian lifestyle I would consider the most important aspect,
                            If missing church bothers you, makes you feel less Christian... then its something you could change about yourself as a personal goal, I would say you should be more concerned about straying away from the Christian life.
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                            • #15
                              Bliss, I agree that as a Christ Follower there is no way to grow without having prayer and Bible study daily. WE can not depend on Sunday School and Church Worship for the majority of our spiritual growth. Each of us Christ Followers are responsible for our OWN spiritual growth. The truth being I need the input of christian writers that have much more studding and deeper understand of the Bible that I do. Therefore I use Commentaries, and other study helps so I can grow deeper understanding of the Word and know God so much deeper, its so very important.

                              But that being said, It is just as important that we do belong to a body of like minded believers for Worshiping together. That is not my opinion, but what Gods Word says. Hebrews 10:24,25 specifically tells us we are to do so. So it makes absolutely no matter what we think about going to Church, the Word of God says it is NECESSARY to go to church.

                              All of us at times make up our own mind on things we think is acceptable it God. Then somehow God brings to our attention that what we thought was OK, we become aware of what the Word of God truly says. At that point we either change our opinion or we are going against the Word of God.

                              What is your thinking about what I have asid?


                              justme
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