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    Christian schools in Israel strike amid claims of discrimination

    Over the past few years, funding for the [Christian] schools has fallen to 29 percent, from the previous 75 percent once provided by Israel.

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    The Zionist apologists can be counted on, as always, to ignore or even defend Israel's oppression and persecution of Christians. One reply to the Fox News article said, "Does Israel have a secular public school system? If so then Christians don't have much of a case for private schools."

    In America, Christians are oppressed because they have to pay taxes to support schools that are anti-Christian, while having to also pay 100% out of pocket, if they can afford it with the high tax rate, to give their own kids a Christian education.

    If we entertain the absurdity that Israel is a "western nation", then Israel is the most socialist western nation. Israel has a high tax rate on the non-rich, forcing common people to be dependant upon the government for services like education. Israel also fully funds Jewish schools, using tax money collected from Christian Israelis and from American taxpayers. At least America doesn't fund Jewish schools anymore than it funds Christian schools. And, while American schools are anti-Christian, even if nominally secular, any nominally secular schools in Israel are militantly and deliberately anti-Christian.
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      SAD !
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        Cornelius--do you subscribe to what is known as "Replacement Theology"--in which the belief is that the Church has replaced the Jews, so God now focuses on the Church, and the Jews are nothing special to Him any longer? If so, what are your thoughts about these particular verses, especially verse 3? :

        "12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
        3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."[Genesis 12:1-3 KJV]


        Or, what the apostle Paul had to say about the Jewish people here in Romans:

        "11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
        2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...

        ...8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day...

        ...11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."[Romans 11:1,2,8,11 KJV]

        In that whole chapter, the apostle Paul explains about how God views His people, Israel, the "apple" of His eye, and, as He said, "mine inheritance"[Isaiah 19:25]

        Pax Christi,
        Christine


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        • #5
          The true Israel of the Old Testament became the nucleus of the true church on the day of Pentecost. Here the analogy of the olive tree that Paul uses in Romans 11 is instructive. The tree represents the covenant people of God—Israel. Paul compares unbelieving Israel to branches that have been broken off from the olive tree (v. 17a). Believing Gentiles are compared to branches from a wild olive tree that have been grafted in to the cultivated olive tree (vv. 17b–19). The important point to notice is that God does not cut the old tree down and plant a new one (replacement theology). Neither does God plant a second new tree alongside the old tree and then graft branches from the old tree into the new tree (traditional dispensationalism). Instead, the same tree exists across the divide between Old and New Testaments. That which remains after the dead branches are removed is the true Israel. Gentile believers are now grafted into this already existing old tree (true Israel/the true church). There is only one good olive tree, and the same olive tree exists across the covenantal divide.
          Read more: Covenant Theology Is Not Replacement Theology

          God bless,
          William
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Christine View Post
            Cornelius--do you subscribe to what is known as "Replacement Theology"--in which the belief is that the Church has replaced the Jews, so God now focuses on the Church, and the Jews are nothing special to Him any longer? If so, what are your thoughts about these particular verses, especially verse 3? :

            "12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
            3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."[Genesis 12:1-3 KJV]
            I do not follow anti-biblical Dispensationalist tradition, but I practice of Scripture Only. The Bible isn't about the Jews. It's about the church, the OT and NT church.

            1) Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. You quote Genesis 12, I don't see "Jews" mentioned there. I quoted the KJV just for you. Do you accept it, or not? Is Ishmael and his descendants, the Arabs, Abraham's children? Why do Dispensationalists curse Abraham's children, Arabs, above all the other peoples on the Earth?

            2) Israelis, Rabbinical Jews, aka Talmudists, are not the children of Abraham. You believe about them something they don't believe about themselves; something that is completely unsupported by Israelis themselves, secular evidence, and scripture.

            3) Why do you take offense at someone pointing out Israeli discrimination against Christians? Why? Why? Why? Why do Dispenstanionalists, if they're Christians, spend their time praising anti-Christian Israel and denying that Israel discriminates against Christians, in the face of all reality?

            Or, what the apostle Paul had to say about the Jewish people here in Romans:

            "11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
            2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...

            ...8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day...

            ...11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."[Romans 11:1,2,8,11 KJV]

            In that whole chapter, the apostle Paul explains about how God views His people, Israel, the "apple" of His eye, and, as He said, "mine inheritance"[Isaiah 19:25]

            The verses you quote makes no mention of "Jews", let alone those who say they are Jews whether they are or not. No Israeli and no living "Jew" is the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Show me one! Nope, you can't do it and you're not even going to try. Show me one that even claims to be (in a non-symbolic sense). Still nope.

            Where in the Bible does God blind any of his children? If you can't show me, then why do you think God has done such a thing in Romans 11? On the contrary, God gives sight to the blind, if they're his people. Even Romans 11 makes it clear that only a remnant of the tribe of Israel have been saved. Paul does not say descendants of Benjamin are God's people. Paul, speaking only of himself, is establishing his royal lineage within the OT church.

            So, you think the Egyptians and the Assyrians (Is 19:25) are the Apple of God's eye? Or, have you used whiteout in your copy of the Bible?


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
              Is Ishmael and his descendants, the Arabs, Abraham's children? Why do Dispensationalists curse Abraham's children, Arabs, above all the other peoples on the Earth?
              I wasn't aware that we cursed them above other people. Why do you believe that?

              Most Arabs have cut themselves off from the blessings God promised to Abraham because they have chosen to follow the false god who revealed himself to Mohammad but I believe that in the end most of them will turn to the true God and be blessed along with Abraham's other descendants. I have explained my reasons for this belief in this post in my blog: The sons of Abraham | clydeherrin
              Clyde Herrin's Blog
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                The Bible isn't about the Jews. It's about the church, the OT and NT church.
                Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                The verses you quote makes no mention of "Jews", let alone those who say they are Jews whether they are or not. No Israeli and no living "Jew" is the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Show me one! Nope, you can't do it and you're not even going to try. Show me one that even claims to be (in a non-symbolic sense). Still nope.
                ...and so on.


                To make such statements is evidence of your lack of understanding of the Bible. You can't be taken seriously by anyone with even a little knowledge of Scripture, Covenant and Dispensationalist combined.


                PermaFrost
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                  Most Arabs have cut themselves off from the blessings God promised to Abraham because they have chosen to follow the false
                  Yes, that is right. But, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of Dispensationalists who quote Genesis 12. Arabs are the natural children of Abraham. Christians are the children of Abraham as far as the Promise to Abraham is concerned. But, Rabbinical Jews are not the children of Abraham, not in any way.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                    To make such statements is evidence of your lack of understanding of the Bible.
                    When do I get to see your rebuttal?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                      When do I get to see your rebuttal?
                      The «rebuttal» is contained in my original post,

                      Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                      ...You can't be taken seriously by anyone with even a little knowledge of Scripture, Covenant and Dispensationalist combined.

                      I honestly don't mean any disrespect towards you. However, you obviously have twisted hermeneutics and would not be able to understand. I also think you have a combative spirit which prevents you from having a sensible discussion on this subject, at least.

                      You are probably a nicer guy in person....actually, I'm certain of that. Been there, done that!


                      PermaFrost

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                        The «rebuttal» is contained in my original post,

                        Accusing me of ignorance is not a rebuttal, but a reflection of an inability to provide a rebuttal.

                        Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                        I honestly don't mean any disrespect towards you. However, you obviously have twisted hermeneutics and would not be able to understand.
                        Here's how I read what you wrote, "If I could rebut your statements, this is where I'd do it. But, I can't, so I'm saying this instead."

                        Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                        To make such statements is evidence of your lack of understanding of the Bible. You can't be taken seriously by anyone with even a little knowledge of Scripture, Covenant and Dispensationalist combined.
                        Okay, that might make me reconsider my position.... not.




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