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    #46
    Originally posted by Chuckt View Post
    Are you a preterist?

    I'm amil. But, no sane doctrine can deny which Temple Jesus was talking about.
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      #47
      Originally posted by theophilus View Post
      You have overlooked the context of that quote.

      From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
      (Matthew 24:32-34 ESV)

      He was speaking of the generation that would see the fulfillment of the things he was telling the disciples.
      You're doing that horrid thing that Dispies do. Dispies take their false, man-made doctrine and then the twist the Bible until is compatible with Dispie error. Dispeis don't believe the Bible. If they did, they would base their doctrines on the Bible rather than base the Bible on their doctrines.

      Dispies don't believe Jesus.

      Jesus was asked WHEN. Jesus answered that question: No man knows the day or the hour, but it would be before their generation passes. Their generation is the grammatical meaning of "this generation." Jesus wasn't asked and Jesus didn't volunteer the time span of the events. "that future generation" interpretation is stupid on so many levels. Dispies believe the events will unfold in a seven-year span, making Jesus' generation time-span comment very ham-handed. Dispies ignore the actual generation that the Temple Jesus pointed was in fact destroyed. Jesus prefixing "that future generation" with "truly I say to you" makes Jesus look like a drama queen. The context is the destruction of Jerusalem, which came to pass in the first century. I cited a number of verses from context to directly refute dispy doctrine. Jesus was talking to the people with him, not to us when he says "you".

      No, I haven't overlooked the context.

      You just quoted Jesus saying "WHEN you see..." When you see A, you know B is about to happen. Not a generation between A and B, but right at the door, imminent.
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        #48
        Originally posted by Chuckt View Post
        Furthermore, the way Jesus uses language is a bit "tricky" (lack of a better word) because the Bible uses the term "last days" for the last 2,000 years. Some of the signs for the end times are so general that everyone has thought they were living in the last days even though we are.
        Jesus doesn't use tricky language. Jesus didn't refer to his time with term "last days" or anything similar. Peter first declares the Last Days at Pentecost. How is in your mind that 2000 years can be equated with days, as in "last days"? There you go again, twisting the Bible to fit Dispie religion. How is 2000 years the "last days" but none of the few years before Pentecost are called the last days, as if a few years sooner stretches the meaning of "last days" too far? How did Jesus leave out something so huge out of his eschatological teachings, even when he devotes a whole speech to WHEN? What good is using the term "last days" when it can mean thousands of years and indefinitely beyond that? That's another way Dispies twist scripture, they broaden the meaning of terms until the terms are meaningless. And, what of John years later saying it was the "last hour"? And, then Revelation saying "at hand"? The Bible paints a picture of the clock winding down quickly, while Dispies think the clock wasn't running until now (ah, the arrogance).

        In Matthew 24, the disciples recognized the destruction of the Temple as the end of the age. The "last days" refer to the last days of the Temple, or Old Covenant, age. The Old Covenant was phased-out over 40 years, replaced by the New Covenant age and the Church. Jesus reigns right now through the Church. The term Amillennial means that the Millennium based on the content of a vision, avowedly filled with symbols, is not a literal thousand years (now, suddenly Dispies decide to get literal. Too little, too late.) A "thousand" (the largest named number in Bible times) is an idiom for a limitless number, such as the Bible saying the cattle on a thousand hills belong to God. Hey Chuckt, who owns the cattle on the 1001st hill?










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