Arianism is the nontrinitarian, heterodoxical teaching, first attributed to Arius (c. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt.

"The Trinity isn't true because God isn't the author of confusion" (1 Corinthians 14:33)

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    "The Trinity isn't true because God isn't the author of confusion" (1 Corinthians 14:33)

    1 Corinthians 14:33
    for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. (NASB)
    Some who deny the Trinity will sometimes cite 1 Corinthians 14:33[*1] in thinking that because God is not the author of confusion the Trinity can't be true because it is confusing to believe that the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit are the 1 true God of the Bible.

    The following reasons are why their position is to be rejected:
    1. The nature of God is not predicated on how man arbitrarily chooses to think (reason) about Him (cf. Acts 17:29) but rather on how Scripture actually reveals Him (Acts 17:11). Even "now we see in a mirror dimly" when it comes to knowing God and the ways of God (1 Corinthians 13:12).
    2. Those who affirm they believe what the Bible says and yet reject the Trinity because it can not be fully understood are not consistent with their own logic, for they would readily affirm their own existence (and the existence of others) despite having an incomplete understanding of its physical and spiritual composition. Furthermore, they would not reject the omniscience nor the greatness of God despite the fact that both are beyond the reach of complete human understanding (Psalms 139:6; 145:3).[*2]
    3. If one can accept the Scriptural testimony concerning the acts of God (miracles) then it is incumbent upon them to accept from the same Scriptures describing the nature of God.
    4. The context of 1 Corinthians 14:33 is of remedying confusing practices within the church.[*3]



    [*1] The Watchtower: Marco, quoted in an earlier article, saw the Trinity as a barrier. “I thought God was hiding his identity from me,” he says, “and that just made him even more distant, mysterious, and unapproachable.” However, “God is not a God of confusion." (1 Corinthians 14:33, American Standard Version) (The Lie That Made God a Mystery, November 1, 2013).
    The Lie That Made God a Mystery — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

    [*2] Reasoning from the Scriptures: Did God have a beginning?
    Ps. 90:2 “Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.”
    Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it. (God)
    God — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
    Admitting, that "our minds can not fully comprehend" the eternity of God the Jehovah's Witnesses cite a Bible passage to affirm this truth. This is precisely what should be the ultimate criteria for determining whether or not the Trinity is true. One can just as easily respond to the Jehovah's Witnesses (and others) by pointing out that since God always existed in eternity past this can be confusing for some people, and since God is not the author of confusion their belief in Him is suspect.

    [*3] See the insightful article found in CARM:
    Does the doctrine of the Trinity make God the author of confusion? | CARM.org

    #2
    If the trinity isn't true, then there is no salvation possible.
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    • deade
      deade commented
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      Hi Sue D,

      Why?

      Yours, Deade

    • Sue D.
      Sue D. commented
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      Just realized I haven't answered your question -- the trinity is comprised of God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ --- Jesus Christ being born was God incarnate -- Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins -- the Holy Spirit comes to indwell each believer at the moment of their salvation. And it was the Holy Spirit who came upon Mary so that Jesus Christ would be all man and all God. So -- without the trinity there would be no salvation. Hopefully 'this' makes sense to you. Of course -- even if it Doesn't make sense -- it still did take place. :)

    • deade
      deade commented
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      Way to go Sue D, I agree entirely. What Jesus did for has nothing to do with defining the HS. It does define the Father/Son relationship. Yours, Deade

    #3
    I've never been sure why people find the concept of the trinity confusing. Our church used the trefoil (clover) as a metaphor for children: each of the three parts is a leaf in its own right, but the whole is one leaf, not three.
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    • deade
      deade commented
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      Hi ChatterBox,

      Please explain to me the importance of the trinity to our salvation. Trinity is a label, you label me you limit me. Just like Faber pointed out God is beyond our understanding. I think labeling the Holy Spirit, as a person, is where we fail.

      Yours, Deade

    • William
      William commented
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      deade, hope you don't mind me chiming in? You asked, "please explain to me the importance of the trinity to our salvation." Lemme ask you whether you think these questions are essential which follow three areas of the Christian life:

      1) The way we pray -- To whom can we pray? Is it more effective to pray to the Father than to the Son? Is there more than one God?
      2) The way we worship -- Who can we name as the object(s) of our worship? What truths can we proclaim in his/their praise?
      3) The way we think about our relationships with each other and with God -- In our union with Christ, are we united only to a man? Only to God? Only to a god? Can we become gods too?

      Not all scholars and/or Christians agree on every technical aspect of Christian doctrine, but all scholastic / Christians agree to the essential aspects of Trinitarian doctrine. And though there should be great tolerance towards theological ignorance it's the lack of understanding of Trinitarian doctrines that deprives one of rich opportunities for growth and worship.

      Lastly, what you call a label is a theological term. No different really than any other field that specializes in any area of study. In the general sense, a term describes a theology that draws its material from the Bible. For example, I am Reformed theologically, which implicitly denies other theologies, such as Catholic theology (which Reformed theology rose in opposition to) and Arminian theology (which later rose in opposition to Reformed theology).

    • Sue D.
      Sue D. commented
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      And there's also the example of the egg -- the yoke has it's job, as does the white and the shell.

    #4
    Hello Deade,

    How would you define the Holy Spirit if He is not a Person?
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    • deade
      deade commented
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      Hi Faber, William and Sue D,

      I usually pray to my Heavenly Father as instructed by Jesus. I think it might be OK to pray to Jesus as some do, but I don't. Anyway, they wouldn't get jealous of each other. The scripture says if you have one you have the other.
      Now, about the HS. I like Sue D's response in comment 5.1. Entity works for me. I am just saying the HS is everywhere at all times. I can't fathom that with my finite brain. I also can't fathom God having always existed: everything I experience has a beginning and an end. The HS is what makes God: God. I hope that clears it up.
      Yours, Deade
      Last edited by deade; 01-16-2018, 07:12 PM.

    #5
    Originally posted by Faber View Post
    Hello Deade,

    How would you define the Holy Spirit if He is not a Person?
    Hi Faber:

    In my church I attend, I taught a twelve week course on the trinity.If you run into any situations that you need help- would be honored to serve.

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    • Sue D.
      Sue D. commented
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      Maybe as an 'entity'?

    #6
    Originally posted by ChatterBox View Post
    I've never been sure why people find the concept of the trinity confusing. Our church used the trefoil (clover) as a metaphor for children: each of the three parts is a leaf in its own right, but the whole is one leaf, not three.
    I understand the object lesson for children. As we mature, in reality there is no true way of explaining the Trinity, we except the Threee being one (called the Trinity) by faith. I don't think there are words to explain the God Head, every attempt in doing so falls sho, or totally fails. I finally came to just take exactly what the Bible says as it says about God the Father, the only Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
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      #7
      Originally posted by nolidad View Post

      Hi Faber:

      In my church I attend, I taught a twelve week course on the trinity.If you run into any situations that you need help- would be honored to serve. Also you can go to Intensive Bible Teaching from a Messianic Jewish Perspective | Ariel Ministries /click on resources/click on come and see/click studies and there is an excellent manuscript free to download on the defense and study of the Trinity!
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        #8
        Originally posted by justme View Post

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        • William
          William commented
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