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Does the Doctrine of the Trinity Matter?

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    #76
    Did Jesus not say, not my will but yours be done? That proves he had a different will than the Father meaning he is NOT the same person.
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      #77
      I have debated quite a few people who deny the Lord Jesus is God but they always resort to changing how the words of the Bible are properly defined. The reason for this is because it refutes their false doctrine.
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        #78
        Originally posted by JacobP View Post
        Did Jesus not say, not my will but yours be done? That proves he had a different will than the Father meaning he is NOT the same person.
        It proves Modalism is false but it doesn't prove Trinitarianism is false.
        Let me make this clear: The Lord Jesus is not the same Person as the Father - but this doesn't prove the Lord Jesus is not God.
        See post #65.
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          #79
          Originally posted by JacobP View Post

          No. Do you agree the only way to get to God is through Jesus Christ? If you do, worshipping Jesus is the same as worshipping God since you have to go through him.
          The only way to God is through Jesus Christ and we can only come to Christ if we are drawn by the Holy Spirit so all three members of the Trinity are involved is salvation.

          Originally posted by JacobP View Post
          Do you know why the trinity doesn’t make sense in the human mind?
          Because our minds are finite and there are some things about God that are beyond our ability to understand.
          Clyde Herrin's Blog
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            #80
            Originally posted by JacobP View Post

            I don’t believe God is a triple headed being like a pagan dog god. The most High God is what you refer to as God. Jesus is his Created Son who was made sometime before the world was created, and the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the most High God that can emplaced on all of us. Jesus is MY God because the most High God has given him all authority. Don’t have all these guys rolling in knowing 2 words of wikihow claiming they know Greek telling you it speaks of a trinity.
            God the Father the first person of the Trinity Psalm 145:8,9; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Gen. 1:1-31; Ephesians 3:9.

            God the Son, Jesus Christ the second person of the Trinity. He is coequal, consubstantial, and coeternal with the Father, John 10:30; 14;9 Jesus Christ in His incarnation, the eternally exiating secons person of the Trinity. Jesus has all the characteristics of humanity ans so became the God-man Philippians 2:5-8,; Colossians 2.29

            The Holy Spirit The third person of the Trinity is supernatural ans sovereign agent in regeneration, baptizing all believers into the body of Christ 1 Corinthians 2;10-13. The Holy Spirit also indwells, sanctifies, instructs, empowers us for service, and seals us unto the day of redemption Romans 8:9-11; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Ephesians 1:3.

            To ignore the clear evidence in Scripture that there is the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, is to deny the truth of the Scripture.

            The nine religions that deny the Trinity are; Mormonism, Jehovah's witnesses, Christian Science, Armstrongism, Christadelphians, One Pentecostals, Unification Church, Unity School of Christianity, Scientology- Dianetics. So which religion do you most close belong to?

            I am interested in how you came to your understanding that there is no Trinity? Was it something yoy came to your own understanding? did you ever believe in the Trinity? Why do you think the RCC was the first to believe in the Trinity.

            Thanks for taking the time to dialogue about this.

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              #81
              Originally posted by JacobP View Post
              I don’t believe God is a triple headed being like a pagan dog god.
              Well, neither does any body else, such a view is not what Trinitarians believe. Actually, denying the doctrine of the Trinity puts one outside the bounds of historic Christianity, so you might want to revise your denomination to something like "Arian" since that would be more consistent with holding Jesus to be a created being.

              In this short excerpt, J.I. Packer does a nice job of briefly stating the doctrine of the Trinity and why it is both true and biblical:

              TRINITY

              GOD IS ONE AND THREE

              “This is what the LORD says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6

              The Old Testament constantly insists that there is only one God, the self-revealed Creator, who must be worshiped and loved exclusively (Deut. 6:4–5; Isa. 44:6–45:25). The New Testament agrees (Mark 12:29–30; 1 Cor. 8:4; Eph. 4:6; 1 Tim. 2:5) but speaks of three personal agents, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, working together in the manner of a team to bring about salvation (Rom. 8; Eph. 1:3–14; 2 Thess. 2:13–14; 1 Pet. 1:2). The historic formulation of the Trinity (derived from the Latin word trinitas, meaning “threeness”) seeks to circumscribe and safeguard this mystery (not explain it; that is beyond us), and it confronts us with perhaps the most difficult thought that the human mind has ever been asked to handle. It is not easy; but it is true.
              The doctrine springs from the facts that the New Testament historians report, and from the revelatory teaching that, humanly speaking, grew out of these facts. Jesus, who prayed to his Father and taught his disciples to do the same, convinced them that he was personally divine, and belief in his divinity and in the rightness of offering him worship and prayer is basic to New Testament faith (John 20:28–31; cf. 1:18; Acts 7:59; Rom. 9:5; 10:9–13; 2 Cor. 12:7–9; Phil. 2:5–6; Col. 1:15–17; 2:9; Heb. 1:1–12; 1 Pet. 3:15). Jesus promised to send another Paraclete (he himself having been the first one), and Paraclete signifies a many-sided personal ministry as counselor, advocate, helper, comforter, ally, supporter (John 14:16–17, 26; 15:26–27; 16:7–15). This other Paraclete, who came at Pentecost to fulfill this promised ministry, was the Holy Spirit, recognized from the start as a third divine person: to lie to him, said Peter not long after Pentecost, is to lie to God (Acts 5:3–4).
              So Christ prescribed baptism “in the name (singular: one God, one name) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”—the three persons who are the one God to whom Christians commit themselves (Matt. 28:19). So we meet the three persons in the account of Jesus’ own baptism: the Father acknowledged the Son, and the Spirit showed his presence in the Son’s life and ministry (Mark 1:9–11). So we read the trinitarian blessing of 2 Corinthians 13:14, and the prayer for grace and peace from the Father, the Spirit, and Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:4–5 (would John have put the Spirit between the Father and the Son if he had not regarded the Spirit as divine in the same sense as they are?). These are some of the more striking examples of the trinitarian outlook and emphasis of the New Testament. Though the technical language of historic trinitarianism is not found there, trinitarian faith and thinking are present throughout its pages, and in that sense the Trinity must be acknowledged as a biblical doctrine: an eternal truth about God which, though never explicit in the Old Testament, is plain and clear in the New.
              The basic assertion of this doctrine is that the unity of the one God is complex. The three personal “subsistences” (as they are called) are coequal and coeternal centers of self-awareness, each being “I” in relation to two who are “you” and each partaking of the full divine essence (the “stuff” of deity, if we may dare to call it that) along with the other two. They are not three roles played by one person (that is modalism), nor are they three gods in a cluster (that is tritheism); the one God (“he”) is also, and equally, “they,” and “they” are always together and always cooperating, with the Father initiating, the Son complying, and the Spirit executing the will of both, which is his will also. This is the truth about God that was revealed through the words and works of Jesus, and that undergirds the reality of salvation as the New Testament sets it forth.
              The practical importance of the doctrine of the Trinity is that it requires us to pay equal attention, and give equal honor, to all three persons in the unity of their gracious ministry to us. That ministry is the subject matter of the gospel, which, as Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus shows, cannot be stated without bringing in their distinct roles in God’s plan of grace (John 3:1–15; note especially vv. 3, 5–8, 13–15, and John’s expository comments, which NIV renders as part of the conversation itself, vv. 16–21). All non-Trinitarian formulations of the Christian message are by biblical standards inadequate and indeed fundamentally false, and will naturally tend to pull Christian lives out of shape.

              Packer, J. I. (1993). Concise theology: a guide to historic Christian beliefs (pp. 40–42). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House.
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